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its_aqua
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posted July 29, 2013 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys, your thoughts on this composite would be so much appreciated. Here is it, the TOB is not known for both, only for the one person unfortunately!

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posted July 29, 2013 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't think you can read a composite chart with accuracy if one partner has an unknown time. that would affect where the moon ends up and the house positions, and those are vital for composite. or maybe others can...

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posted July 30, 2013 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starmoon:
i don't think you can read a composite chart with accuracy if one partner has an unknown time. that would affect where the moon ends up and the house positions, and those are vital for composite. or maybe others can...

You re right but Ive seen people giving some ideas about the composite even without the TOB, so any thoughts would be so well appreciated!

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posted July 30, 2013 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sven555     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Despite the inaccurate TOB for 1 person. Looking at your chart, you can analyse planets only, not houses or the moon.

You have Sun conjunct Mars - Passion and aggression are likely to be present.

Mercury is in for a hard time, with all of them squares, this is a challenge your and your partner need to overcome if communication is bad between you. (Especially Mercury square Saturn)

Venus is square Saturn by 8 degrees, which can lead to the possibility of never being able to meet and fulfill each others needs.

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posted July 30, 2013 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sven555:
Despite the inaccurate TOB for 1 person. Looking at your chart, you can analyse planets only, not houses or the moon.

You have Sun conjunct Mars - Passion and aggression are likely to be present.

Mercury is in for a hard time, with all of them squares, this is a challenge your and your partner need to overcome if communication is bad between you. (Especially Mercury square Saturn)

Venus is square Saturn by 8 degrees, which can lead to the possibility of never being able to meet and fulfill each others needs.


Thanks so much for giving a try Sven!
You're right about the Mars/Sun conjunction,
Also composite Venus is conjunct one's Mars and another's Moon, so this must be good?!
You are also very correct about Mercury which is also afflicted in synastry

Any other observations?

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posted July 30, 2013 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sven555     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Thanks so much for giving a try Sven!
You're right about the Mars/Sun conjunction,
Also composite Venus is conjunct one's Mars and another's Moon, so this must be good?!
You are also very correct about Mercury which is also afflicted in synastry

Any other observations?


Let me get my magnifying glass to obverse closer!

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posted July 30, 2013 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sven555     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Mars seems to have a good time with the outer planets, as it sextiles Jupiter and Uranus, trines pluto.

You need to get the correct info for better analysis!

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posted July 30, 2013 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its quite difficult to get the correct info infortunately but thank you so much for your input.
Ugh I wish people came together with TOB

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posted July 30, 2013 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sven555     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Its quite difficult to get the correct info infortunately but thank you so much for your input.
Ugh I wish people came together with TOB

Duhhhhhhh
Is this not you and someone else then?

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posted July 30, 2013 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sven555:
Duhhhhhhh
Is this not you and someone else then?

It is me indeed but im always shy to ask this kind of information.

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posted July 30, 2013 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
It is me indeed but im always shy to ask this kind of information.

why don't you ask in a different way - like "oh, you're a night owl" does that mean you were a night baby? or 'you're a morning person!" ... did you happen to be born in the early am? that would at least help you narrow it down...

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posted July 30, 2013 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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why don't you ask in a different way - like "oh, you're a night owl" does that mean you were a night baby? or 'you're a morning person!" ... did you happen to be born in the early am? that would at least help you narrow it down...

We dont really talk anymore but there is always that vibe between us..

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posted July 30, 2013 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starmoon:
why don't you ask in a different way - like "oh, you're a night owl" does that mean you were a night baby? or 'you're a morning person!" ... did you happen to be born in the early am? that would at least help you narrow it down...

We dont really talk anymore but there is always that vibe between us..

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posted July 31, 2013 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again its_aqua,

If you want my honest opinion about this composite - it looks quite problematic.
Here is why:

Mercury afflicted is the biggie, it makes no flowing aspects whatsoever.
Communication will be difficult, that's almost a guarantee.
And what do you have without communication? Pretty much nothing, unless you're the type of person who can just sit silently with someone and feel content.

The Moon (even though we don't know its exact position) seems to be afflicted too, by the Sun and Venus - the square to Venus could indicate a strong emotional attraction but not much common ground, so that both people can be left emotionally frustrated and hungering for some sort of fulfillment that doesn't quite come.

The opposition from Jupiter to Uranus points to a very freedom-oriented relationship, if not by choice, then due to circumstances - for some reason there are times when you have to be away from each other.

Now, obviously the Sun / Mars conjunction trine Uranus and sextile Jupiter creates a lot of energy which could lead to attraction, possibly sexual, but there's not enough common ground on other levels (mental, emotional) for this relationship to be satisfying. That's my opinion! Of course nothing is set in stone but that's the vibe I get.

If the synastry has angle / angle ruler connections and flowing aspects between personal planets and points, it could be less negative.

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posted July 31, 2013 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Hi again its_aqua,

If you want my honest opinion about this composite - it looks quite problematic.
Here is why:

Mercury afflicted is the biggie, it makes no flowing aspects whatsoever.
Communication will be difficult, that's almost a guarantee.
And what do you have without communication? Pretty much nothing, unless you're the type of person who can just sit silently with someone and feel content.

The Moon (even though we don't know its exact position) seems to be afflicted too, by the Sun and Venus - the square to Venus could indicate a strong emotional attraction but not much common ground, so that both people can be left emotionally frustrated and hungering for some sort of fulfillment that doesn't quite come.

The opposition from Jupiter to Uranus points to a very freedom-oriented relationship, if not by choice, then due to circumstances - for some reason there are times when you have to be away from each other.

Now, obviously the Sun / Mars conjunction trine Uranus and sextile Jupiter creates a lot of energy which could lead to attraction, possibly sexual, but there's not enough common ground on other levels (mental, emotional) for this relationship to be satisfying. That's my opinion! Of course nothing is set in stone but that's the vibe I get.

If the synastry has angle / angle ruler connections and flowing aspects between personal planets and points, it could be less negative.


Again you were spot on! Poor Mercury is also afflicted by Neptune in synastry too, commumication is indeed problematic. You are right about the Venus square Moon, it feels like both people are attracted but dont know how to address it at all and you are also right about sun,mars uranus. I have the synastry right here of you would like to take a look, again no TBO is known for the Cancer person.


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posted July 31, 2013 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like a karmic connection - your Saturn is very affected and so is your South Node with his Sun conjuncting it.

I can tell you're affected by this person but it doesn't seem to be that mutual.

Venus in the 12th - read about that one, it speaks volumes by itself.

Your Saturn affects both their Luminaries - very binding and problematic.
You can find it hard to let go, and with their Sun on your SN, they may feel like running away because they can feel restricted by you. Is that the case?
The SN person usually clings and the planet person wants to be liberated.

Mercury / Neptune DW - confusion and maybe hidden truths. Could point to a psychic connection.

Their Moon & Pluto in your 5th - very intense.. love feelings are likely from your part. Maybe some emotional dependency / neediness as well as strong physical attraction.
Too bad we don't have their houses..

Their Saturn / Uranus on your DSC.. again, you're the one affected.
Their inner tension between committment VS freedom has a direct impact on your sense of partnership and you feel it acutely.

There's definitely attraction here, I think (Mars / Jupiter, Venus trine Venus, Mars / Sun..) but something's not quite right and that could be because of some issues reflected in the natals.

Saturn is about insecurity, fear, delays.
It usually points to unfinished business and can be very painful in synastry - when you feel like you need someone even though they only cause you harm.

Are you still in contact with that person?
It looks like a problematic connection, even though it's very binding, especially for you.

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posted July 31, 2013 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Looks like a karmic connection - your Saturn is very affected and so is your South Node with his Sun conjuncting it.

I can tell you're affected by this person but it doesn't seem to be that mutual.

Venus in the 12th - read about that one, it speaks volumes by itself.

Your Saturn affects both their Luminaries - very binding and problematic.
You can find it hard to let go, and with their Sun on your SN, they may feel like running away because they can feel restricted by you. Is that the case?
The SN person usually clings and the planet person wants to be liberated.

Mercury / Neptune DW - confusion and maybe hidden truths. Could point to a psychic connection.

Their Moon & Pluto in your 5th - very intense.. love feelings are likely from your part. Maybe some emotional dependency / neediness as well as strong physical attraction.
Too bad we don't have their houses..

Their Saturn / Uranus on your DSC.. again, you're the one affected.
Their inner tension between committment VS freedom has a direct impact on your sense of partnership and you feel it acutely.

There's definitely attraction here, I think (Mars / Jupiter, Venus trine Venus, Mars / Sun..) but something's not quite right and that could be because of some issues reflected in the natals.

Saturn is about insecurity, fear, delays.
It usually points to unfinished business and can be very painful in synastry - when you feel like you need someone even though they only cause you harm.

Are you still in contact with that person?
It looks like a problematic connection, even though it's very binding, especially for you.



My natal is quite heavy by itself and his too, I will try to find out the TOB. We always had a communication problem because I have communications problems by myself. I always thought he didnt care much so I pretended the same and later found out by a mutual friend that he did care but he is a very insecure person who has trouble showing his feelings. There was also the imply that he felt a bit intimidated by me.
We bump into each other because we have common friends and there is always that vibe. I mean I completely hide everything I feel and act cold but still the other day he was staring at me for a lot of time without taking his eyes off of me.
Generally both him and I thought about the other one that its not relationship material. He thought I just want him for sex, and I thought the same due to our lack of being able to express our true feelings.
But I feel this thing between us will continue, it feels so fated to just end like that.

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posted July 31, 2013 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe try to have an honest conversation with him?
What do you have to lose?

I wish you the best of luck ~

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posted July 31, 2013 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Maybe try to have an honest conversation with him?
What do you have to lose?

I wish you the best of luck ~


He has a gf now so it sucks.
I read all about venus in 12th, I was fascinated.
Thanks so much Doux for taking time to give me all this info, if I find his TOB I will be back

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posted July 31, 2013 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*Sigh* sorry, dear.
And you're welcome.

If you find his TOB, please do tell.
You're not ready to forget him just yet, I think.
But try to live your life and enjoy it as much as you can.

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posted July 31, 2013 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
*Sigh* sorry, dear.
And you're welcome.

If you find his TOB, please do tell.
You're not ready to forget him just yet, I think.
But try to live your life and enjoy it as much as you can.


I found out he is a Scorpio ASC, is this still so vague?
Do you specifically need the exact exact TOB?
If I generated a synastry chart with his ASC falling around the middle of Scorpio (lets see 15 deegree) would that be enough?

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posted July 31, 2013 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It will give a good idea of his houses, yes.

You can post the new synastry chart if you want.

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posted July 31, 2013 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It will give a good idea of his houses, yes.

You can post the new synastry chart if you want.


I kept changing the hour so the only thing that would change would be the Moon for like one degree, so here is the new chart, thanks again so much Doux for taking time to do this. Here is the chart:

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posted July 31, 2013 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem, its_aqua.

Okay so I notice that he (most probably) has Moon and Pluto in the 12th, and Venus in the 8th - both houses deal with deep emotions and secrecy, and with his feminine planets there, it could mean that he doesn't show his feelings overtly at all, preferring to keep them private / hidden, it's possible that he's quite confused about his feelings (Moon in the 12th).

Your ASC in his 8th - you affect him on a deep level just by being you, or more precisely, the image he has of you has a deep impact on him.
Your Mars in his 7th adds to the desire for partnership, sometimes it means that the Mars person's actions reflect a desire to create a romantic relationship with the 7th house person.. The house person may or may not appreciate the efforts, but here with his Jupiter there, it may more beneficial (though you have to be careful not to overdo it).

Moon in each other's 5th house is very romantic and usually involves feelings from both sides. So here again I'm pretty sure it's not just a casual connection.

With your Sun and Saturn falling in his 3rd house, there's again an emphasis on communication - his Sun opposes all that, so it points to obstacles in communication and Saturn restricts the free flow of expression..
You should work on it somehow, I think that would definitely help, to just try and sort things out so that you can have closure of some kind and go from there.
Because if neither of you makes the first move, you'll probably never know what exactly happened and where you both stand.

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posted July 31, 2013 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
No problem, its_aqua.

Okay so I notice that he (most probably) has Moon and Pluto in the 12th, and Venus in the 8th - both houses deal with deep emotions and secrecy, and with his feminine planets there, it could mean that he doesn't show his feelings overtly at all, preferring to keep them private / hidden, it's possible that he's quite confused about his feelings (Moon in the 12th).

Your ASC in his 8th - you affect him on a deep level just by being you, or more precisely, the image he has of you has a deep impact on him.
Your Mars in his 7th adds to the desire for partnership, sometimes it means that the Mars person's actions reflect a desire to create a romantic relationship with the 7th house person.. The house person may or may not appreciate the efforts, but here with his Jupiter there, it may more beneficial (though you have to be careful not to overdo it).

Moon in each other's 5th house is very romantic and usually involves feelings from both sides. So here again I'm pretty sure it's not just a casual connection.

With your Sun and Saturn falling in his 3rd house, there's again an emphasis on communication - his Sun opposes all that, so it points to obstacles in communication and Saturn restricts the free flow of expression..
You should work on it somehow, I think that would definitely help, to just try and sort things out so that you can have closure of some kind and go from there.
Because if neither of you makes the first move, you'll probably never know what exactly happened and where you both stand.


I also noticed my Venus is exactly on his IC or is this wrong? Does it mean anything?

So its likely that he is mutually interested right? I should give it a shot right? Im just always afraid he doesnt feel the same way ( well actually I always feel that way, due to my Moon qnx Pluto)

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