posted August 06, 2013 05:46 AM            

Do you think astrology is testable in the first place?

posted August 06, 2013 05:57 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Why don't you test it? I don't know enough about Vedic to try to hunt for similarities, let alone am I proficient in it. Also, something I think you might find interesting, the Navamsa chart is the Vedic equivalent of a Ninth Harmonic chart. Try looking at your Ninth Harmonic wester chart as you would a Navamsa chart! That might be a start...

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posted August 06, 2013 05:57 AM            

What we could do is take a vedic chart for someone, it could be you but maybe someone different for pure objectivity, then we'll mark down previous life events shown with vedic techniques.

Once we have those, we'll put up the western chart and then see what aspects are indicating the same occurrences. Thus bridging the two methods and arriving at the same ending.

posted August 06, 2013 06:00 AM            

may be I would use YTA chart again.

YTA?? are you up for another probing?

posted August 06, 2013 06:06 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
^Your mood's changed.

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posted August 06, 2013 06:10 AM            

Time maps?

posted August 06, 2013 06:15 AM            

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The Eagle And The Lark - Bernadette Brady

SETTING UP A TIME MAP Write the months that you are going to examine across the top of a sheet of paper. This is your time scale— a calendar of months. See figure 30.

Having sorted out the most important transits using the methods discussed in the section on Transits, the first step is to write them onto the sheet of paper under the appropriate months for when they are going to occur. Most transits occur three times, so only bother to do the grids for one of the hits. If all the hits are placed in grids, there will be too much information on the page and you may not be able to read it.

You will see we have transiting Saturn forming a conjunction to Mercury. The transit first occurs in early March and then returns in mid-July and early October.

Above the transits, or below if you wish, mark in the progressions. By drawing them in as short lines, the length representing the approximate length of time that the progression is effective, you can also see them over-lapping and stacking up on each other. In figure 30, the period of mid-January to mid-February is influenced by the progressed Moon forming a square to natal Mars. At the same time, from early February to March, the progressed Moon is forming a semi-square to natal Sun. In August to September, the progressed Moon is forming a trine to natal Pluto.

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I think the best thing to do is grab someone as knowledgeable as you are about Vedic astrology but about Western Astrology and see if they can make the connection.

posted August 06, 2013 06:23 AM            

But if we were to sharpen the accuracy of these transits so as to use them as tools to predict events,how should we go about doing it?

Transits can be favorable to certain events or they could be unfavorable,however I've noticed in some charts have studied(even my own) when transits were claimed to be unfavorable I benefitted from them enormously. I was puzzled,so I checked my vedic chart.While the calculus didn't fail me the transits of the planets weren't deemed to be that favorable too.Which made me think that 'unfavorable transits' may not be entirely unfavorable to the person.But the real question is how to pinpoint that??

EDIT: I'm going to do that

posted August 06, 2013 06:30 AM            

Okay yes, completely understand.

I've experienced the same. I think the gap here in the interpretations for western astrology transits is the fact that they do not use house rulers.

If your 12th House ruler is transiting, you're going to lose some things. Like one of my partners would have Mars transit his 6th House and hit his MC ruler, problems at work. Interpretation says this should give him a lot of energy at work, not cut off work all together. Though it's his 12th House ruler (12th House cusp in Scorpio) and it comes with loss and sacrifice. You always have to use traditional rulers for transits, they move faster and are more accurate for you specifically.

Like when my 12th House ruler Jupiter (12 House cusp in Pisces) transits through my 2nd House, I have NO money. Why? Because Jupiter is ruling that 12th and 9th, spirituality houses, not financial abundance houses.

Most interps will say that Jupiter transiting through the 2nd is so good for money and woohoo, go you! This simply isn't the case.

posted August 06, 2013 07:05 AM            

Hm. . . I'm actually very interested in this thread Jessica. I think it's highly important to try to get down to the nuts and bolts of a method and make sure they're all in place. The point of all this is to be able to enlighten ourselves and others but we can't do that if our method is flawed. It will most probably always be flawed but it's our job to make it less and less so!

Big thumbs up to you!

posted August 06, 2013 08:32 AM            

Though - the main trouble with Astrology - is not the tools of measurements but its principals... as the description of each planet is based on ancients gods which - were indeed a myth and based on this fact - astrology was hard to be taken serious. The explanation is not hard to grasp - but it revolves around ancient religions (another Tabu subject for Science). So far, science can't explain our evolution from a stellar point of view - since being grounded to our Planet - and all the theories surrounding it being based on mental approach as seen from below - trough our evolved knowledge only. While our primitive ancestors were - more in tune with the Universe... so they expressed what they "felt as the universe (the stars and planets above)" were manifesting trough them. We might more evolved in terms of knowledge but - to feel the Universe... we have to detach from the Ego and it's "over-thinking process". If you mix both tools together - Mind, body (hearth) and spirit - you get in tuned with what lies above - being an accurate tools of measurements but also - one who's capable of controlling its fate. And terms like this... are considered to "wacky" - from a scientific point of view.

posted August 06, 2013 08:58 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I think astrology is sort of like a...pseudo-science. I don't think we have the tools necessary to test it just yet, but I think it's possible depending how you imagine astrology works in the first place.

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Depends on the aspect of astrology. There have been statistical astrological correlations documented about professional choices, prison populations, schizophrenia, and marriage already. With the latter of the four using a sample size of 6-and-a-half million.

posted August 06, 2013 08:59 AM            

Since astrology as more to do with sociology and psychology then it's not going to appeal to most physicists who have a very different perspective on astronomical aspects that doesn't translate well into astrological anymore than poetry mixes well with academic journals. To use a metaphor, trying to test both would be like trying to pilot a plane and a sub at the same time. And on top of that there's so much else to explore and investigate with limited funds and equipment, so why bother? Especially given that actually studying it would be academic suicide? (I vaguely recall reading of a scientist who set out to disprove it but found it uncanny and he lost his position as unreliable, untrustworthy, about as if he'd come down with Alzheimer.)

posted August 06, 2013 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
When it comes to Astrology - science as we know it today, is limited in terms of understanding (self-imposed limits) based on its tools of measurement and the subjects considered valid from a practical approach. Shortly put it - so far, we don't have any scientist capable to dissect Astrology (there's not enough interest.... though - it's constantly growing) - as Astrology is still a growing baby compared to other studies - that have reached a maturity capable of practical measurements. Just an example - "Black Holes" - around 10 years ago, science could acknowledged them only in terms of theory - they seemed plausible but when in comes to practice - they were considered a S.F. subject... theories that "proved to be incorrect". Back then - they used to believe that black holes are rare anomalies from space - that might exist in random places of our Universe - places we can't reach with our current technology. As the tools of measurements improved (more capable telescopes) - they came to realize that there's actually a Black Hole in the center of every Galaxy and that they have an important role in the way this Universe works. A discovery that is very similar to the Earth being round and circling around the Sun, something that was already theorized and predicted but discarded based on their knowledge and based on their tools of measurements from that time (even a subject of laughter).

Though - the main trouble with Astrology - is not the tools of measurements but its principals... as the description of each planet is based on ancients gods which - were indeed a myth and based on this fact - astrology was hard to be taken serious. The explanation is not hard to grasp - but it revolves around ancient religions (another Tabu subject for Science). So far, science can't explain our evolution from a stellar point of view - since being grounded to our Planet - and all the theories surrounding it being based on mental approach as seen from below - trough our evolved knowledge only. While our primitive ancestors were - more in tune with the Universe... so they expressed what they "felt as the universe (the stars and planets above)" were manifesting trough them. We might more evolved in terms of knowledge but - to feel the Universe... we have to detach from the Ego and it's "over-thinking process". If you mix both tools together - Mind, body (hearth) and spirit - you get in tuned with what lies above - being an accurate tools of measurements but also - one who's capable of controlling its fate. And terms like this... are considered to "wacky" - from a scientific point of view.

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You've expressed my sentiment exactly.