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Topic: CASE STUDY: Deadliest Woman, sadist & killer- this is her chart
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its_aqua
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posted August 14, 2013 03:45 PM
  
Gertrude Banisweszki was voted as te deadliest woman ever for the torturing and murder of young teenager Sylvia Likens.
I guess everyone pretty much knows the story, you can also check Wikipedia:
-http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Likens
She was tortured and abused, her story is heartbreaking, I watched recently the "Deadly Women:Born Bad" where this story wa feautured and I keep thinking of this innocent, young and beautiful soul who died without a reason.
There was a similar thread here like a month ago, but it was about examining Sylvias chart. I dont really agree with this cause it wasnt her fault this deadly woman abused her and killed her.So I think we should discuss about this awful woman's chart as a case study.I really want to hear your opinions guys. Her TOB isnt known though. Here :
Here is a photo of Sylvia, RIP 
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Doux Rêve
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posted August 14, 2013 04:00 PM
All the outer planets are in hard aspect to a personal planet - may feel like something bigger is calling them, maybe; plus the collective unconscious is tied to the psyche, creating someone who can easily be "manipulated" by higher forces to accomplish all kinds of actions.Pluto + Nessus for the sadistic tendency, Uranus for detachment, rebellion and shock, Neptune for delusional thinking and erroneous values / morals. Saturn flowing aspects for the ability to execute the task til the end. Pluto singleton - the negative manifestation took over. Weird thing is that the Moon isn't afflicted, but then again the TOB is unknown.
Plus a conjunction to Neptune can mess with someone's mind. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2013 04:02 PM
I didn't know this story. Is it from the US? You may have said------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2013 04:03 PM
I see her info so I guess it is. Sun oppose Nessus. People get mad when I say it but nessus is abuse.Can a person overcome Nessus and not abuse? With God and the real deal, yes. Without it, no imo ------------------
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 14, 2013 04:05 PM
I find it really depressing 
It just takes one person to say, "you know what, this is wrong."
One person could of helped her escape. No one did. It's heartbreaking.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2013 04:05 PM
Where is Dejanira and Kaali?So far, it kind of looks like a normal chart. Do you guys agree? Where is the fixed star Algol? ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2013 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
All the outer planets are in hard aspect to a personal planet - may feel like something bigger is calling them, maybe; plus the collective unconscious is tied to the psyche, creating someone who can easily be "manipulated" by higher forces to accomplish all kinds of actions.Pluto + Nessus for the sadistic tendency, Uranus for detachment, rebellion and shock, Neptune for delusional thinking and erroneous values / morals. Saturn flowing aspects for the ability to execute the task til the end. Pluto singleton - the negative manifestation took over. Weird thing is that the Moon isn't afflicted, but then again the TOB is unknown.
Plus a conjunction to Neptune can mess with someone's mind.
Great post, Doux. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2013 04:07 PM
Ok--so we don't know time? I would expect 12th house planets in a super weirdo and perhaps a stellium.
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Doux Rêve
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posted August 14, 2013 04:09 PM
Charts always look normal!
People are the ones who have a problem, not charts!
My chart looks x10 times worse than hers but thank God I'm nowhere near being a psychopath.I don't think you can just look at a chart and say 'This one right here, will become a murderer'. That's just not how it works. I think aspects can show someone's *motivations* for doing so and so.
Like, *why* they did what they did. That woman could have become a musician or an author or a spokesperson, whatever, but she didn't, choice was hers - the energy was there and it could be used negatively *or* positively. Just my 2 cents! IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted August 14, 2013 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I didn't know this story. Is it from the US? You may have said
Yes Ami. It happened in Indiana like 50years ago. Sylvia and her sister Jenny was left in the care of the Baniszweski family because her parents were carnival workers who travelled constantly.
Soon Sylvia became the familys scapegoat and Gertrude would punish her and torture her on daily basis.
On her stomach there were bad words craved with a needle and 100 cigarete marks had been all over her body and many many more things I dont think its appropriate to list here. Just check Sylvia Likens on Wikipedia or if you are brave enough watch on Youtube "Deadly women:Born bad".
It is a heartbreaking story, I cant imagine who can someone be so cruel.
A psychiatrist that examined Banisweszki diagnosed her with Hysterical Personality with elements of sadism. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted August 14, 2013 04:14 PM
She could have luminaries/planets in any houses. I want to know a definite time of birth before discussing any houses, the moon, too.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted August 14, 2013 04:15 PM
^ Agreed.We can only speculate, which is pretty much useless. IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted August 14, 2013 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I find it really depressing
It just takes one person to say, "you know what, this is wrong."
One person could of helped her escape. No one did. It's heartbreaking.
I look at her picture where she looks so beautiful and has that dreamy and innocent look in her eyes, and I feel like crying cause it is as you said it- someone could have helped her. IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted August 14, 2013 04:19 PM
Okay guys Im sorry there is a mistake in the chart. Im editing it and putting up the new one- I will try to add Kaali and Algol and Dejanira Ami. Im back in a few!IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 14, 2013 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
I look at her picture where she looks so beautiful and has that dreamy and innocent look in her eyes, and I feel like crying cause it is as you said it- someone could have helped her.
What I find really disturbing is an entire group of people can be involved in something like this and not one of them is bothered enough to do something about it. This lady was the oldest, true, and an authority figure at time kids, generally, did not talk back to their elders. Discipline was handed out heavy at that time. Still, how could several people not feel so awful to just put up with what you know is going on? It's truly bizarre. IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted August 14, 2013 04:25 PM
This is the real chart! I added what you asked me to, Ami! IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted August 14, 2013 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Okay guys Im sorry there is a mistake in the chart. Im editing it and putting up the new one- I will try to add Kaali and Algol and Dejanira Ami. Im back in a few!
Oh noes!
Ughhh will have to analyse it again! lmao.
Is it completely wrong?
This chart definitely makes sense, to me. SSS, Yep, terrible, isn't it?
The world can be such a f***ed up place. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted August 14, 2013 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Charts always look normal!
People are the ones who have a problem, not charts!
My chart looks x10 times worse than hers but thank God I'm nowhere near being a psychopath.I don't think you can just look at a chart and say 'This one right here, will become a murderer'. That's just not how it works. I think aspects can show someone's *motivations* for doing so and so.
Like, *why* they did what they did. That woman could have become a musician or an author or a spokesperson, whatever, but she didn't, choice was hers - the energy was there and it could be used negatively *or* positively. Just my 2 cents!
Well said, Doux. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted August 14, 2013 04:30 PM
Okay Moon conjunct Uranus definitely makes sense.
When negatively manifested it can detach and become quite heartless.IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted August 14, 2013 04:31 PM
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Doux Rêve
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posted August 14, 2013 04:33 PM
Thanks, Hera!IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted August 14, 2013 04:34 PM
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 14, 2013 04:39 PM
I can see in the chart, she is capable of using a lot of fear and intimidation to get others to do what she wants and she is quite controlling. Very manipulative. I've watched a couple of true crime shows where this particular story is featured and she seems like a really horrible bully who would say anything to get people to do what she wanted. Very abrasive and cruel, too.
I gathered all this from watching the shows, not knowing her chart. Like the typical bully, she picks on the weakest link and the rest of them followed along, hoping they would never be targets themselves. Also, she picked on the child who wasn't hers and who's parents were far away, didn't know what was going on. IP: Logged |
LiesLilithsaidtouranus
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posted August 14, 2013 04:40 PM
This crazy evil woman would have had her Uranus return this year! Dejanira in the 7th house makes sense, along with Nessus in the 4th house. Could Gertrude have seen Sylvia as a threat to her household. Wait, sorry she did when she didn't believe her daughter was pregnant when she actually was. I think this would have never happened if her Daughter would have told the truth in the first place. Anyone attacking her family or niche would have gotten it.
Mercury conjunct Mars makes sense, plus the opposition to Nessus, totally makes sense.
What's up with Saturn opposite Dejanira? IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted August 14, 2013 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by LiesLilithsaidtouranus:
This crazy evil woman would have had her Uranus return this year! Dejanira in the 7th house makes sense, along with Nessus in the 4th house. Could Gertrude have seen Sylvia as a threat to her household. Wait, sorry she did when she didn't believe her daughter was pregnant when she actually was. I think this would have never happened if her Daughter would have told the truth in the first place. Anyone attacking her family or niche would have gotten it.
Mercury conjunct Mars makes sense, plus the opposition to Nessus, totally makes sense.
What's up with Saturn opposite Dejanira?
Unfortunately the TOB isnt known! So houses arent accurate. She was jealous of Sylvia cause she was young, beautiful and innocent like she used to be but no longer was!
I noticed saturn square dejanira too I wonder what Ami has to say IP: Logged |
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