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Emme5
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posted August 19, 2013 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emme5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My interest in astrology is pretty recent, and it's been entertaining and interesting to learn about various things that seem to be true. However, after reading various message boards, it seems like it's very easy for some people to end up relying or believing in it too much.

For example, I've read so many posts worrying about how certain transits will affect not just their natal, but also their progressed chart, their composites with certain people, and the progressed composites of those charts. And it's not just planets, but asteroids too.

I mean, with all of those variables, OF COURSE they're going to think the transits are affecting them somehow. Instead of blaming their lack of discipline (or whatever) and actively working on themselves, they have a defeatist attitude and blame everything on the universe because "it's foretold in the stars."

I think astrology can be informative about some things, but I really don't believe it holds the answer for everything. I especially don't believe it can predict how a day is going to turn out.

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Lianee
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posted August 19, 2013 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lianee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's pretty true, I remember how I looked up a video on YT on mars in taurus, and I was like omg it's 100% me, and then I realised that I have it in freaking virgo, so yeah, people kind fo trick themselves sometimes. I totally wanna spit in the faces of people that rely on astro like for 100%, or when they start dating someone and they go like omg I can't date him because he has like 10 cheting aspects or some crap like that. I got a chart full of cheating crap, and I would never ever cheat on anyone. I would get out of relationship first and then go on and do it, so that ain't cheating anyway, this article is true as hell.

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stillatlarge
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posted August 20, 2013 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem is that people try to make something, anything, into the be all end all, whether it's "science", "The Secret", Dianetics, astrology, whatever. I don't understand that. I watch the weather forecast but I only give it so much weight. You mention ONE scientist. What about all the other great minds who validated astrology, almost to a man? I can't even list them all but they're the biggest names in history. Anyway, I know it's valid by my own observation and experience. It'd be nice to know, but I don't really give a damn about the science. Science says the bumblebee can't fly. There are innumerable cases of things that they say are supposed to do this or that or work or not work but don't play out in real life.Lastly, it's NOT mystical. It's natural law like gravity, genetics, etc. We didn't understand those at one time either. I can guess signs. That's evidence to me.

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stillatlarge
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posted August 20, 2013 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot to add that I don't think we have the real astrology. We have the mail order kit with pieces missing. The elite have squirreled the real info away for themselves because they want to keep the advantage of it to themselves.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 20, 2013 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's why I like for the problems to arise first, then go searching for the answers instead of getting a synastry chart, thinking it has to be this way because I read about sun in Aries moon in Capricorn so it must mean this. It's particularly frustrating when it's synastry. If you are in love with someone, by all means, do not let something like a chart get in the way.

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iQ
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posted August 21, 2013 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Accuracy of Astrology will increase only with the increase in honest Self Assessment.
General Horoscopes might be prone to cramming information of all 12 Signs for every Sign, hence everyone will identify with part of it. Rigorous mathematical studies are needed to prove the correct working of Astrology based on probability[Transits are splendid for this], and such studies have been done. They will not be marketed by rationalists though.

Some examples of studies done by Carl Payne Tobey:

1. More than 90% of "Moon Wobbles"
[Aspect of North Node and the Moon conjunct while squaring the Sun] had correlations with accidents that made it to the press and had a loss of life.
( Note, his research was in the 1970s. These days one can find an accident on a daily basis in the digital media. )
I think a Neptune afflcition in that study showed death by fire accidents only.

2. More than 80% of all German Spies caught in the United States were Sagittarius.
This defies probability. If Astrology were fake, then only 10% should have been Sagittarius.

3. More than 90% of women with Mars conjunct, square or opposed to the Node of Mars in 18-19 Taurus had problems with their ovaries prior to age 40.

4. My own research. More than 30 US Presidents have multiple aspects [within 2 degrees orb] to Asteroid Kaali from the same set of seven Planets and Asteroids. The odds of this being random chance are 1 in many thousands.

5. Red Sox regained their World Title in 2004 after a gap of 86 years during a Total Lunra Eclipse. Lunar Eclipse is known in Astrology to signal "endings", and a terrible losing streak ended for Red Sox fans.

6. In World Cup Soccer, every time the championship is held in the Chinese Year of the Rooster, the winner out of more than 24 teams is always Brazil or Italy. Consdireng that more than 60 countries play very good soccer and can beta any other team, this fact is beyond astonishing. No scientist can explain this. This has been going on since 1934. [1946 did not see a championship.]
1934 Italy
1958 Brazil
1970 Brazil
1982 Italy
1994 Brazil
2006 Italy

7. 90% of devastating Earthquakes with death count over 10,000 since antiquity, have either a harsh aspect from Planet Neptune or the position of Asteroid Poseidon in Capricorn.

The facts are verifiable. Hundreds of more examples can be given especially with the help of the Saturn Return Transit and "Mid Life Crisis" of Uranus opposition Uranus in an indivudal's life. The great Dane Rudhyar has given tons of proof in his research regarding the Cycles of Generational Planets.

Even today, why does the Arab Spring have to start when Pluto in Capricorn and Uranus squared up? Why did not happen in 1980s or 1990s or early 2000s? Why now? Why only now the Assanges, Snowdens, Mannings and Greenwalds became whistle blowers?

Why do Real Estate Cycles regularly map to the presence of Sidereal North Node in Cancer as the popular peak for new homes to Sideral North Node in Capricron as the worst crash?

No rationalist can answer this, they will just dismiss this as coincidence. Astrology gives an elegant framework of psychological answers about the individual as well as mass events. It is upto us to choose the correct way of using Astrology, just like how an astute mathematician uses advanced equations.

Astrology was never meant to be everyone's cup of tea. Ancient Astrologers were such that they would pay skeptics to ensure the masses treated astrology as nonsense. I suspect this is happening to this day. The few who master Astrology can always control the many who stay ignorant of it. I would go so far as to sya that even certain religions were invented to prevent the masses from understanding Astrology, as masses can pay off karmic debts and attain Spiritual Liberation. With religious edicts, astrology can be kept away from the masses by making them fear for their lives.

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