posted August 15, 2013 04:22 AM            

For example, there was a study done where a room of people (around 30) were given a detailed one page horoscope that was supposedly for their star sign. Almost everyone thought it was pretty accurate. They were then told to pass the horoscope to the person behind them. Everyone had been given the exact same horoscope! This clearly indicates that we can be easily fooled into dismissing all that doesn't match with us and applying unjust credibility to that which does.

"One of my ex girlfriends was all into making my "chart" to see what was rising in what sign, and all sorts of other BS. So I lied - told her I was born on Feb 30 (there is no Feb 30 - ever). Got a "reading" of all sorts of things that she thought I was like - "See it fits you"
Then told there is no Feb 30, was born on March 2 (another lie) - got a similar reading (cause my stars were still closely aligned).

Finally told her my real birthday was in August. She got mad and didn't want to do any more horroscope crap around me again, AND we still went out for over a year, before broke up w/ her. She wanted to plop out some kids, and I wanted grad school - so I said later.

Mesg is - just put up with it. It's a harmless thing they do, as long as they aren't making serious life decisions because of it. If they won't buy a house, cause the stars are wrong, or want to buy 10,000 shares of a stock 'cause of the stars, then dump them."

Scientific Problems

There are many scientific problems with astrology, however. One physicist and astronomer, Dr. Donald DeYoung, has noted three such issues in his book "Astrology and the Bible" (2000):

1. Astrology fails to succeed when tested against reality. For example, if the distribution of heavenly bodies at birth has any implication into the life-course of the child, then twins should be virtually identical in their future, interests, talents, and personalities. Of course, this is not the case.

2. Because of the precession of the earth's axis, star positions relative to our planet have changed since astrological calendars were invented centuries ago. Thus, the "signs" are no longer valid. The error grows greater every year.

3. The gravity of stars and planets is the only force that could effect earth, and for the vast majority of heavenly bodies, this effect is negligible.

i didn't make this thread to tell you why astrology is nonsense. what i just shared above are two things i read today that has made me think about my practice and, i guess for the practical sense - belief in astrology being genuine.

at the heart of this topic, i just want to know what makes YOU believe in what you read and practice in astrology when you are challenged by naysayers, and people that apparently disprove its credibility entirely?

today i'm at a stressful situation i don't wish on another person - i'm at the point where i'm questioning what im doing, what i'm believing anymore with it. i've always had a spiritual side, been attracted to spirituality, yet i would appear to be a contradiction because i favour a logical approach and logical thinking more so. - and so here i am, i'm stuck in dilema.

The Dilemma is, im afraid, yet not afraid, to take astrology out my life. i'm afraid of feeling like a fool for believing in something that was maybe obvious all along to not be real. i'm afraid of giving up essentially a whole part of me which is spiritual, like divorcing a belief - a huge empty hole is left, feeling very empty. i'm afraid of that. at the same time, i'm not in denial or delusional to grip or cling to something for comfort or some irrational thing - if astrology isn't real, if my belief changes, or i switch on what i've grown to believe or follow - i will do it.

i feel i should've researched and dug deep into reading why astrology is false or scientifically illogical (if it is) to see if it is, before wiling to dive into it - but I'm more easy going than that.. i don't like to be close minded, and i believe in more than logic. logic and spirituality have there places. i just decided that astrology was something that i would just try - and if it works, ill practice it, and wont close it out unless it doesn't work.

but here i am now, 6 years on, 23 years old, soon to be 24. and i'm at a red light - i don't know if im going to do a u-turn, of what feels like a 3000 thousand mile intellectual trek back to starting from scratch in the spiritual side of me.

i felt Lindaland was the only place for me to talk about this -
i joined here years ago, some of you here may remember. so much of me has changed in the past 4 years, i can see the transit mostly responsible for this too. but i had to come back here and talk about this - i'd really like to know - was i wrong to assume that even if there were arguments to disprove or undermine/question astrology - there would be arguments for it that can explain the scientific probing into its credibility or the experiments? i presumed there were - now im afraid there are none and that were all just crazy believing in something naively when there is only evidence and experiments to disprove its credibility.

posted August 15, 2013 05:08 AM            

Think of Hume on miracles. So much is semantics and so on. You are clever in questioning the arguments.

There is a lot that is unexplainable. And theory after theory. Try and shift your research into mystics etc, as if you were writing a sociology essay. The black and white of it soon fades.

posted August 15, 2013 05:20 AM            

Logic in philosophy is a dangerous route. The laws of nature are that because they are known, visual, but that doesn't explain everything. Logic is such a tight tight field. Very limiting by its nature.

posted August 15, 2013 05:28 AM            

from your field of study/expertise, astrology doesn't have ground and credibility ? i mean it has no arguable rebuttal to the scrutiny of logic/science?

astrology only works in belief and the experience of it directly?

thanks for replying and taking the time to share what you know, i appreciate it a lot.

posted August 15, 2013 05:40 AM            

Yep in my field it has no credibility, from first year astrology was the main example use lol. cold reading etc etc, lumped in with alien abductions and so on.

But I had a few experiences of things for myself, things I couldn't explain with my education. And I was left feeling completely confused.

Like you couldn't apply the S.E.A.R.C.H method to it.

Some things it is like we can explain them with logic, but that doesn't mean it is accurate.

I could never say any of this to others in the same field. And that is a pity I think.

posted August 15, 2013 05:40 AM            

I believe that's the Barnum effect. It doesn't prove that astrology is nonsense. It only proves that the human mind perceives the same exact information with the self,discarding the parts that are negative to the ones that flatter us because everybody wants to be recognized,and validated as worthwhile individuals.The vagueness of any given statements or descriptions that could fit half of the population or more in combination with a so called 'confirmation bias' usually results in a most 'accurate' or better said 'welcomed' definition of the self.

posted August 15, 2013 05:47 AM            

I think that astrology has credits, it's not nonsense. However it's not everything and it doesn't provide the absolute answer. Like science, it gives us some glimpses of the truth, not the whole truth.

posted August 15, 2013 05:58 AM            

There are many scientific problems with astrology, however. One physicist and astronomer, Dr. Donald DeYoung, has noted three such issues in his book "Astrology and the Bible" (2000):

1. Astrology fails to succeed when tested against reality. For example, if the distribution of heavenly bodies at birth has any implication into the life-course of the child, then twins should be virtually identical in their future, interests, talents, and personalities. Of course, this is not the case.

2. Because of the precession of the earth's axis, star positions relative to our planet have changed since astrological calendars were invented centuries ago. Thus, the "signs" are no longer valid. The error grows greater every year.

3. The gravity of stars and planets is the only force that could effect earth, and for the vast majority of heavenly bodies, this effect is negligible.

posted August 15, 2013 06:03 AM            

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Originally posted by lessica:
Glad to talk about it

Yep in my field it has no credibility, from first year astrology was the main example use lol. cold reading etc etc, lumped in with alien abductions and so on.

But I had a few experiences of things for myself, things I couldn't explain with my education. And I was left feeling completely confused.

Like you couldn't apply the S.E.A.R.C.H method to it.

Some things it is like we can explain them with logic, but that doesn't mean it is accurate.

I could never say any of this to others in the same field. And that is a pity I think.

Honestly, I would follow your instincts. In my opinion humans have never known everything. Keeping your mind open is a beautiful thing.

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Yeah, i know what you mean. it reminds me of 'doublethink'.

what is the s.e.a.r.c.h. method?

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Originally posted by lessica:
Exactly, this is what they teach first years. I was a skeptic for a most of my time at uni. We were directed to the skeptics dictionary for sources all that year!

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what courses did you take / study?? if i may ask!

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I believe that's the Barnum effect. It doesn't prove that astrology is nonsense. It only proves that the human mind perceives the same exact information with the self,discarding the parts that are negative to the ones that flatter us because everybody wants to be recognized,and validated as worthwhile individuals.The vagueness of any given statements or descriptions that could fit half of the population or more in combination with a so called 'confirmation bias' usually results in a most 'accurate' or better said 'welcomed' definition of the self.

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right. how do we know the the barnum effect is not on the astrologer, but on the scientist's ridicule? who's victim of the Barnum effect? the experiments or the astrology? how do we even begin to argue this problem i wonder.

posted August 15, 2013 06:13 AM            

1. There is a right way and a wrong way to use astrology and this applies to any type of belief system. A person needs to use it with reason and not allow it to become a crutch which their life depends on. It’s a good psychological supporting element and a helpful life guide but a person must never forget that responsibility always lies in their hands not in the starts.

2. The obsession of whether or not astrology is scientifically correct is an entirely left-brain dilemma. Most humans have a dominating left brain – orderly, statistical, logical, mathematical, rational and practical. The left brain can’t make sense of the right brain which governs – emotion, creativity, passion, experience, intuition etc. That’s why it’s incredibly difficult for a left-brained person to believe in something that is not proven like astrology, religion or any kind of belief system. The problem is that when the left brain dominates (especially if the individual is immature) it becomes confrontational and narrow-minded and refuses to accept any view point other than the one being perused. This can make a person angry have a generally unhappy and frustrated life because of the misbalanced ways of thinking. Both the right and the left brain are needed. So if astrology feels right without you having to constantly prove or defend it this is giving the right brain a way to express itself. Which leads me to…

3. Let’s say astrology can’t be proven. I personally can’t prove it. If it doesn’t hurt anyone, why should one feel guilty or stupid about using it? If it helps you and brings joy to your life why should you take it away? As long as you follow what I said in my first argument about not letting it become a misguided obsession it is not wrong. There will always be naysayers and there will always be opposition but they have no power over you. This is something personal much like religion and you mustn’t let direct confrontation or left-right brain confrontation take away something that in its inception has a positive effect on your well-being.

posted August 15, 2013 06:29 AM            

I agree with the outcome of what the above poster said. I was incredibly narrow minded, argumentative, and dismissed others because of the way I was taught to think. It is incomplete in itself. All you have to do is take a look at a uni- phil students and soci students for example are at each others throats as a result. I believe bias is everywhere.

Even in applied research methods, you can take the micro and the macro- neither is complete. The way we function is not understood, it is theorized.

posted August 15, 2013 06:37 AM            

Like alien abduction, we can say an alternative is sleep paralysis, then look into that further, sleep paralysis is most likely, stands stronger, therefore we reject the abduction claim.

posted August 15, 2013 06:38 AM            

I don't follow your questions. The Barnum effect could be about astrology,personality test descriptions,romantic personality descriptions, a tarot reading,a leaf reading,it could be anything that the human mind relates to.

posted August 15, 2013 07:39 AM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
These are the only arguments I can use. They may not be able to defend the case of astrological validity but they defend the integrity of the practice.

1. There is a right way and a wrong way to use astrology and this applies to any type of belief system. A person needs to use it with reason and not allow it to become a crutch which their life depends on. It’s a good psychological supporting element and a helpful life guide but a person must never forget that responsibility always lies in their hands not in the starts.

2. The obsession of whether or not astrology is scientifically correct is an entirely left-brain dilemma. Most humans have a dominating left brain – orderly, statistical, logical, mathematical, rational and practical. The left brain can’t make sense of the right brain which governs – emotion, creativity, passion, experience, intuition etc. That’s why it’s incredibly difficult for a left-brained person to believe in something that is not proven like astrology, religion or any kind of belief system. The problem is that when the left brain dominates (especially if the individual is immature) it becomes confrontational and narrow-minded and refuses to accept any view point other than the one being perused. This can make a person angry have a generally unhappy and frustrated life because of the misbalanced ways of thinking. Both the right and the left brain are needed. So if astrology feels right without you having to constantly prove or defend it this is giving the right brain a way to express itself. Which leads me to…

3. Let’s say astrology can’t be proven. I personally can’t prove it. If it doesn’t hurt anyone, why should one feel guilty or stupid about using it? If it helps you and brings joy to your life why should you take it away? As long as you follow what I said in my first argument about not letting become a misguided obsession it is not wrong. There will always be naysayers and there will always be opposition but they have no power over you. This is something personal much like religion and you mustn’t let direct confrontation or left-right brain confrontation take away something that in its inception has a positive effect on your well-being.

I am much like you – I find very hard to believe something that isn’t proven or tangible but I also like astrology. Unlike most religions it doesn’t have an ego or restrictions. It’s something you can mold and use however you like. Astrology is considered occult for a reason, it’s psychological. You can’t express emotions and feelings in numbers and formulas.

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Thankyou meyray, it's really always helpful and encouraging to remember where we are on the map - finding our intellectual bearings. your post helps me remember why i'm an open minded person. most tests say i am left brained, but not too much, i'm glad for it. i am very open minded to things that transcend logic, and nearly always are open to giving them a try. your post encourages me not to abandon astrology, atleast not completely. i've never been crazy with it - you know, like making important decisions based on astrology. regardless if astrology is real, it has been the greatest 'blueprint' i've ever come to work with, for everything. it has given me a philosophical understanding of every facet of all aspects of life, the world and everything on and around it.

i think i need to come to terms with what astrology really should be to me, and not try to make my left brain have to embrace and translate everything right brained about this. that seems to be the problem with many people - if something does not convert, add up or make sense with the criteria of logic and current understanding/theory - then it isn't real and cannot exist. a closed minded trap i guess.

i think on an intellectual level I've been having a kind of identity crisis in that area - am i logical/left brained or right brained - in the end i need to come to terms with being both and embracing both. - but i still want to investigate all of this further to be educated.

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Originally posted by lessica:
I have my masters in Phil- global justice, but most of my BA course were logic based.
I went on to do environmental soci and environmental law.

I agree with the outcome of what the above poster said. I was incredibly narrow minded, argumentative, and dismissed others because of the way I was taught to think. It is incomplete in itself. All you have to do is take a look at a uni- phil students and soci students for example are at each others throats as a result. I believe bias is everywhere.

Even in applied research methods, you can take the micro and the macro- neither is complete. The way we function is not understood, it is theorized.

I came to the conclusion that based on this, it is illogical to call 'case closed' on anything. Even if we always question, that is better than the opposite.

[B]Search is a formula for evaluating a claim, pretty basic. you have to define the claim, evaluate it, consider alternatives, and then weigh them against the criteria of adequacy.

Like alien abduction, we can say an alternative is sleep paralysis, then look into that further, sleep paralysis is most likely, stands stronger, therefore we reject the abduction claim.

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along with meyrays post, this has helped me immensely understand where i am, where i stand and how i position myself when challenged - i'm not one to keep astrology personal too much.

i'd be interested in studying Philosophy, anything to help me understand more about what is going on up there when it comes to thinking/believing, and applying knowledge.

"S.E.A.R.C.H"

so that is what doing 'that' is called. it has a name. yeah - my approach to things intellectually, when forming an idea or opinion on phenomena/experiences, has been this way. i never assert that somebody is lying, i just tend to think of what it could be as an alternative to explain their experience. i will certainly look this is up to be clued up on it in future. its good to be organised in intellectual matters!

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
''right. how do we know the the barnum effect is not on the astrologer, but on the scientist's ridicule? who's victim of the Barnum effect? the experiments or the astrology? how do we even begin to argue this problem i wonder.''

I don't follow your questions. The Barnum effect could be about astrology,personality test descriptions,romantic personality descriptions, a tarot reading,a leaf reading,it could be anything that the human mind relates to.

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so what i mean is - if science or naysayers use the 'Barnum effect' card to discard the credibility of astrology, how do we, who practice and follow astrology, turn that argument in on itself? i.e. is the Barnum effect playing on the scientists experiments? is the result of their experiment having an effect on the scientist's opinion, which invalidates their experiment as a use for argument??

posted August 15, 2013 07:42 AM            

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Originally posted by lessica:
Letram what do you study? You should be a social scientist! and answer all these questions for us

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i'm not studying in education, i do my best to learn and be educated by my own effort.

a social scientist? I'm used to thinking i'd fit a Psychiatrist or anything that involves psychoanalysis.

posted August 15, 2013 08:49 AM            

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Scientific Problems

There are many scientific problems with astrology, however. One physicist and astronomer, Dr. Donald DeYoung, has noted three such issues in his book "Astrology and the Bible" (2000):

1. Astrology fails to succeed when tested against reality. For example, if the distribution of heavenly bodies at birth has any implication into the life-course of the child, then twins should be virtually identical in their future, interests, talents, and personalities. Of course, this is not the case.

2. Because of the precession of the earth's axis, star positions relative to our planet have changed since astrological calendars were invented centuries ago. Thus, the "signs" are no longer valid. The error grows greater every year.

3. The gravity of stars and planets is the only force that could effect earth, and for the vast majority of heavenly bodies, this effect is negligible.

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Here's my thoughts on the above. Of course if the explanations are to be limited to the field of science and logic, then they will fail miserably, but then who said it was my job to prove the existence of something and not for the other side to prove the non-existence...

1. Being twins in this life have no bearings on whether the souls were twins in a past life and therefore, previous experiences - soul characteristics, new experiences and free will virtually guarantee that they will NOT follow the same interests, talents, traits or have the same future.

2. If I understand this point, wouldn't it be only the earth's sign that is in fact incorrect? All other planets wouldn't be affected by this tilt so basically 80% of the energy influence from other planets/aspects wouldn't be affected. Also, there's a new heliocentric astrology belief that will use sol as the true center of the reading so who knows how that will affect astrology in the future.

3. Point three seems to have validity when viewed from the perspective of an outside there and inside here. When viewed as if the horoscope is a personal impression upon the psyche and that 'transits' are the heavenly bodies out there affecting this personal psyche - ya, trying to explain that to someone sounds like cult BS. So to jump to totally holistic thinking - it is not the progression of the planets and their aspects to the horoscope that triggers anything - it is the natural cycle of life chosen by the incarnating soul. The time of birth is chosen such that in 12 years a pluto sq. sun effect create a certain life situation, and in 54 years, the 2nd Saturn return will occur.

The points I bring up are neither to prove or disprove anything - but to explain my rational for my belief in astrology - I know most of my thoughts and explanations are already far out there.

I also studied philosophy for quite a part of my earlier years 18-25 and the logic and reasoning helped me balance both my left and right brain. But the way I use them in my daily life is if you want to get something done, use the left, if you want to dream and be creative, use the right, when dealing with others, use both and to fathom the mysteries of the universe use neither.

posted August 15, 2013 09:03 AM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
Here's my thoughts on the above. Of course if the explanations are to be limited to the field of science and logic, then they will fail miserably, but then who said it was my job to prove the existence of something and not for the other side to prove the non-existence...

1. Being twins in this life have no bearings on whether the souls were twins in a past life and therefore, previous experiences - soul characteristics, new experiences and free will virtually guarantee that they will NOT follow the same interests, talents, traits or have the same future.

2. If I understand this point, wouldn't it be only the earth's sign that is in fact incorrect? All other planets wouldn't be affected by this tilt so basically 80% of the energy influence from other planets/aspects wouldn't be affected. Also, there's a new heliocentric astrology belief that will use sol as the true center of the reading so who knows how that will affect astrology in the future.

3. Point three seems to have validity when viewed from the perspective of an outside there and inside here. When viewed as if the horoscope is a personal impression upon the psyche and that 'transits' are the heavenly bodies out there affecting this personal psyche - ya, trying to explain that to someone sounds like cult BS. So to jump to totally holistic thinking - it is not the progression of the planets and their aspects to the horoscope that triggers anything - it is the natural cycle of life chosen by the incarnating soul. The time of birth is chosen such that in 12 years a pluto sq. sun effect create a certain life situation, and in 54 years, the 2nd Saturn return will occur.

The points I bring up are neither to prove or disprove anything - but to explain my rational for my belief in astrology - I know most of my thoughts and explanations are already far out there.

I also studied philosophy for quite a part of my earlier years 18-25 and the logic and reasoning helped me balance both my left and right brain. But the way I use them in my daily life is if you want to get something done, use the left, if you want to dream and be creative, use the right, when dealing with others, use both and to fathom the mysteries of the universe use neither.

Life is a series of questions, who needs answers anyway

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a lovely post.

i agree with you about the one on twins, astrology only fails twins if you try to use it in a generalised fashion. good astrology, and good astrologers know that the same energies dispersed are reacted diversely by the individuals free will amongst other things.

posted August 15, 2013 09:50 AM            

and appearance Not just in western, but in chinese astro. Have you seen my chinese astro appearance thread?

Ummm also bc astro.com's career natal and child reports by liz greene described me perfectly the way i was as a child and the way i am now...as well as described all my family members. It even said that my ideal career is reforming people (and indeed it is, i want to be a psychologist and for now im working with at risk youth, to reform them). You can actually get the reports for free by just changing your birth time minute by minute in the sample reports. But i bought the career one.

Anyways. What about my compatibility readings and how ppl always post feedback on ebay about it being accurate. I also did a reading for my ex's two past girlfriends and the girl he had been crazy in love with they just HAPPEN to have a love stellium, with crazy synastry? And doesnt with the other one? Not even sun conjunct venus? Plus he said i described lots of details about their relationship. And also the synastry and composite both described lots of details about our own relationship..that the relationship ended as soon as it began (sun opposite uranus)....ummm noo that cant be applied to every relationship. (We dated two weeks) And that bc of that aspect as well, he seemed "on" one day to me and "off" the next. So very true. And in MOST relationships people do not feel that way, that the other persons happy to see you one second and disregards you the next, and what about our tighest aspect on reallovecalc.com which looks like a toy calculator but was written by a pro astrologer always describes my relationships perfectly, including this one. It said he makes me feel like roadkill, which yes, he did, even though he was always a very kind dedicated boyfriend for the months that i knew him, literally making sacrifices for me like waiting for me hours in his car bc i couldnt find his house, or running to his car that was really far away in our university's huge campus when we were in te third floor of a building to get me a granola bar bc i was hungry and coming back sweating, or always picking me up from my house even tho he lived far, or texting me practically 24/7 all day. There is no other reason to believe he didnt care other than thats just how his personality made me feel.

Or how ABOUT how most of my crushes have a birthdate maximum two days away from a best friend i had at a certain point, or from another crush i had? The guy i fell hardest for i have a love stellium and double whammy venus-pluto with plus great synastry and he was born oct 14 1988 and so was the closest best friend ive felt ive ever had? Cant be coincidence. Or how about that i found a celebrity born on that birthdate and early in the morning with a scorpio moon (it changes four hours later on that day) and i fell in love with him too and he made me feel exactly the same way those two others make me feel and also had a similar personality to them (quiet and introverted and barely talk and serial killer gazes). The guy even reminded me of the way the celeb moved, talked, and looked. And i crushed on two guys both born september 30 1992
And also i crushed on a guy born january 20th 1990 which is the dob of my old best friend as well. I could go on but literally all my old best friends have birthdates right on or maximum two days away from all my crushes, or the crushes dob's are in relation to each other instead either the same dob or max two days away. Also, my second closest best friend in my life and i had a love stellium, double whammy venus pluto in minor aspects and great synastry, and she was born aug 3 1988, is it coincidence that i met a new girl a year ago and since we first talked we were already best friends and she was born the day/date after that girl? Or how about how i had two guy friends born on the same date and the friendship turned out exactly the same way with both of them and they both made me feel the exact same horrible way constantly? I literally have so many more examples of people who were important in my life whose birthdates are close by maximum of two days, but i cannot list them all here obviously.

posted August 15, 2013 10:42 AM            

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1. Astrology fails to succeed when tested against reality. For example, if the distribution of heavenly bodies at birth has any implication into the life-course of the child, then twins should be virtually identical in their future, interests, talents, and personalities. Of course, this is not the case.

2. Because of the precession of the earth's axis, star positions relative to our planet have changed since astrological calendars were invented centuries ago. Thus, the "signs" are no longer valid. The error grows greater every year.

3. The gravity of stars and planets is the only force that could effect earth, and for the vast majority of heavenly bodies, this effect is negligible.

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1. Twin birthcharts have always been considered to be different because, even if they were only born minutes apart and therefore have the same degree everything, the natal chart is only but a tool showing dispositions. And this goes for everyone but, life experiences will alter how you act too - this scientist or whatever fails to take into account that astrology is not set in stone and does not define you concretely. Not only that, but there are also other charts that could differ widely based on minute time differences, such as duad charts and Ninth Harmonic (which shows what you grow into).

2. The author again left out other astrological practises, such as Vedic/Indian astrology which does take into account precession. Regardless, the natal chart also doesn't take into account the fact that the Earth isn't the centre of the solar system, yet it is drawn up that way any ways as though the Sun rotates us. It was never scientifically accurate in the first place, but worked any ways (reasons explained in the next question.)

3. Gravity is the only force that could effect the earth as we know it. Now this is a personal statement, but to disregard something that you don't know or can't prove on the grounds that you don't know it/can't prove it is, in my opinion, logically stupid - "this can't be proven so therefore it doesn't exist" is a fallacious idea, and anyone could tell you that. That said, PixieJane mentioned before her theory on how astrology could work, and it's a good theory - one that I could subscribe to!

posted August 15, 2013 11:31 AM            

I learned to trust Astrology for what it is, a statistical report. It, to me, is nothing more than a tool that tries to put into words of reason, how and why the essences of man acts the way he or she does. Astrology expresses the possibilities from the unseen influences of our lives. It tries to project the most likely out come of the moment. Astrology, in way, forewarns us of (possible) issues and situations to come.

People who take Astrology literally, risk the chance of making their lives a little too uneasy, for me. They become too afraid to function because of what Astrology says.

I have come to learn, not through science but through application instead, that Astrology is a three part component, the natal, the transits and, Synastry. All three parts intertwine remarkably well, with or without knowing the exact time of people.

The Natal - is the frosting on the cake. It is the salesmen for Astrology. And this is the part of Astrology that most people rightly or wrongly judge.

The Transits - is where the real meat of Astrology is. And it is the most overlooked area of astrology. This is the part of Astrology that tries to relate to the daily issues of a person's life, based on the natal aspects. In the transit aspects, it is possible to see all of the aspect references that encompasses a person's life that the natal never explains. People who want to put Astrology to a scientific test should use Astrology Transits as the subject matter over that of the natal. The results may prove to be more interesting than with the natal.

The Synastry - is the method used for determining which relations are better. It is, also, based on the natal aspects. There are people who have superior skills of judging people, they don't need this tool. But, for people who have (been a around the block a few times) and have experienced the same old thing over and over again, this avenue of investigations could prove to be enlightening. And if one has an open mind in using Synastry, the results could prove to be rewarding.

All of this doesn't matter. Like, with anything in life, Astrology is used based on personal preferences. We take from it, what we want and move on.

http://risingpeople.wix.com/synastry-aspecting#!in-the-closet-astro-tools/c1s43

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