posted August 20, 2013 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
I'm not trying to be mean at all.
You said it yourself though with the key words, "I feel". Maybe they do know your weaknesses, but if they still want to be with you despite that then you've actually found someone very special. Or possibly have, I don't want to encourage hanging onto anyone who makes you unhappy. lol

The only person that I know off hand who has strong connection to my 12th house is my best friend. Plus we've been best friends since early childhood so that could certainly play a role. We both know each others weaknesses but never judge at all - we support - always. With the 12th house connection, and the kind of brother-like love that we share, our minds are always tuned into each other. It's really neat and each time it happens, which is often, it still leaves me highly entertained. We'll both think things, or make comments about things nearly word for word of what they other thinks. It's cool!

Truthfully, there's a LOT of people who know my weaknesses. I typically don't hide them, yet, being 12th house, I have secrets - mostly just thoughts, opinions, and theories that I keep to myself. There's some key weaknesses or random other things that I keep tucked away. Even still, my best friend knows most of those also with 12th house connections and I trust him more than nearly anyone because of that. I only release a portion of what's in my head, usually.

If someone knows them, so what?
Not that I'm well liked by everyone because I've been a big, uncaring meanie to some people. Anyway, you'll earn some respect from those near and dear and strike fear into enemies if you "stand up tall" with a grin on your face DESPITE your weaknesses being exposed or even despite someone trying to use one against you.
I have my moments, but 99% of the time I "stand tall". I look everybody in the eyes whether or not I feel a little intimidated inside, they don't know that.

I guess what I'm getting at is you probably see a lot more of yourself than anyone else does but it's getting to you.
Your key to love if that's what you desire, could very well be what you're fearing. Maybe you'll reach bliss if you allow someone to know your weaknesses. If they love you anyway, they will love you more completely.

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posted August 20, 2013 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
True. We've kind of talked about this before but his sun (Virgo) is my 12th, his Mercury is Virgo, my 12th and my Merc is there also. Same moon sign (not twelfth), but he has Pisces rising which is the ruler of 12th. (You taught me all this )

We had a few years during high school. He had found himself some trouble and was sent to the state capital to attend a school there. Then a few years after that since we had lost touch it kind of stayed that way.
One day, we kind of found each other again. I don't even remember how! I couldn't tell you as I don't have a clue. But we did reconnect and here we are! There was a little superficial stuff to catch up on but little else. All of those powerful connections hadn't lost a thing and no refreshing needed there. I love it.

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posted August 20, 2013 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
The weird thing about about the twelfth is, if you think about the person a lot, sometimes, they magically reappear into your life.

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posted August 20, 2013 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
It has not worked so far for me .

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posted August 20, 2013 01:16 PM            

It seems like things go down the crapper if I'm being self-centered and just about the "self". Every time I help someone else, or just focus more on them, I feel better. I feel "growth", maturity, real purpose, and strangely, stronger. Like a larger, more powerful entity, but not in a bad away - only if I remain generous AND humble.

posted August 20, 2013 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Even people who made me angry, after a few years, I miss them, wished they'd return. It's like they never angered me in the first place. Ever have that happen?

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Yeaaaah.

Anonymi,

posted August 20, 2013 01:19 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Zander916:
[b] True. We've kind of talked about this before but his sun (Virgo) is my 12th, his Mercury is Virgo, my 12th and my Merc is there also. Same moon sign (not twelfth), but he has Pisces rising which is the ruler of 12th. (You taught me all this )

We had a few years during high school. He had found himself some trouble and was sent to the state capital to attend a school there. Then a few years after that since we had lost touch it kind of stayed that way.
One day, we kind of found each other again. I don't even remember how! I couldn't tell you as I don't have a clue. But we did reconnect and here we are! There was a little superficial stuff to catch up on but little else. All of those powerful connections hadn't lost a thing and no refreshing needed there. I love it.

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Even people who made me angry, after a few years, I miss them, wished they'd return. It's like they never angered me in the first place. Ever have that happen?[/B][/QUOTE]

Hmmmm.... *thinking*

Oh yeah! I have! Well, it's not like we still keep in contact but this person's name gets brought up from time to time or I'll run into them.
Well, my dad was one. lol I didn't talk to him for a while. I saw him yesterday though.

posted August 20, 2013 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I think we're supposed to let them go, you being Scorpio, me being Plutonian. .

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Oh yes.
In my case I *know* when something is over.
If it's over for good, I can feel it.

posted August 20, 2013 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

There's a force inside me that pushes me forward, no matter what.

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posted August 20, 2013 01:27 PM            

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The second decanate of Gemini is ruled by Venus, and is called the marriage decanate. This is the
development of character by uniting the objective and subjective minds. This is a marriage in itself, isn't it? This
is a union, a union of these minds while they function through a physical body. Faithfulness is one of the qualities
of the second decanate, but is also characterized by a coldness and an aloofness. The good of this person is in his
character. People of the second decanate have remarkable character, and very strong, and it is always a very
good one.

The keynote of the second decanate of Gemini is FIDELITY. Again, it is the "marriage decanate" because it
has a sub-influence ruled by Libra. Thought, to which the sign as a whole relates, is swift. These people possess
a very quick mentality, but the lesson they have to learn is not to judge or to act on impulse, but to take time to
reason before forming decisions and judgments. They must fuse the impulses of the subconscious mind with the
reasoning of the objective mind.

This decanate gives the opportunity for Geminis to join their intuitive powers with that of their reasoning
powers - a marriage of the two, so to speak. As the individual functions through a physical body, the
subconscious and conscious minds unite to contribute to his character. Thus he is able to become more stable
and sound in his judgments and decisions through developing his reasoning powers and intuitional powers in an
equal manner. The conscious mind gives warning of danger and protests against wicked thoughts and deeds.
Therefore, this decanate should learn to listen more faithfully to the conscious mind and let it develop to a
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interesting doux, thank youu.
My mom is a second decan gem too.
This actually describes my mother very well.

posted August 20, 2013 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
You've got Mars conj. Pluto, you can achieve whatever you want.

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They both square Saturn
But thanks for being encouraging, haha.

Kerosene,

posted August 20, 2013 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
They both square Saturn
But thanks for being encouraging, haha.

Kerosene,

You're welcome!
Glad it's accurate.

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posted August 20, 2013 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Saturn ruins everything , my cousin was born few days before you, I've never seen her throw a temper tantrum. I was pretty surprised when I saw that conjunction. How often do you get angry Doux?

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Often people with these contacts seem anything but able to fight (overtly at any rate) as if Pluto has in some way ‘killed’ the Mars impulse. Like Mars– Saturn, with most aspects, and certainly with tight conjunctions or hard aspects, there is usually a childhood history of ‘might makes right’, where the youngster’s right to say ‘I want this’ or ‘No, I don’t want that’ was severely thwarted in some area. This usually makes the individual uncertain of their capacity to assert themselves in later life, with all the feelings of disempowerment that go with that. Individuals may then either over-assert themselves to be sure of getting their own way or not seem to bother at all, preferring instead to err on the side of diplomacy and compromise, believing that it is useless to fight anyway for they have no hope of winning. There is usually a pronounced manipulative quality then, so that the person gets what they want through more covert and subtle means.

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^ I think this applies strongly to women who have Mars / Pluto (SSS has the square also and she's very diplomatic, maybe too much even).

I don't get angry often, per se.
I get irritated very easily but it's mostly turned inwards, I become restless / tense and need to *move* (Mars) or let it out of my system somehow - usually I listen to angry music and start dancing or working out.

When transiting Neptune squared my Mars / Pluto, I had severe depression because of pent up rage - all the resentment and past hurts surfaced and it was overwhelming. I was self-destructive (self-harm), suicidal and openly aggressive.

posted August 20, 2013 02:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
^ I think this applies strongly to women who have Mars / Pluto (SSS has the square also and she's very diplomatic, maybe too much even).

I don't get angry often, per se.
I get irritated very easily but it's mostly turned inwards, I become restless / tense and need to *move* (Mars) or let it out of my system somehow - usually I listen to angry music and start dancing or working out.

When transiting Neptune squared my Mars / Pluto, I had severe depression because of pent up rage - all the resentment and past hurts surfaced and it was overwhelming. I was self-destructive (self-harm), suicidal and openly aggressive.

But it's over now!
I've matured a lot.
Still learning.

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Interesting.
I have felt very similar and coped in very very similar ways. My Mars conjuncts Asc and Mercury. Pluto Conjuncts Asc.

posted August 20, 2013 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
Interesting.
I have felt very similar and coped in very very similar ways. My Mars conjuncts Asc and Mercury. Pluto Conjuncts Asc.

Tightest orbs to widest
Mars Mercury (3*)
Pluto Asc (4*)
Mars Asc (7*)

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posted August 20, 2013 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
Interesting.
I have felt very similar and coped in very very similar ways.

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You have Moon square Mars just like me.
That usually creates strong emotions and anger issues as well, particularly in close relationships.

But often what happens is that there's a dislike of anger and a fear of confrontation, because early in the life, the atmosphere at home was tense (probably because of the mother) and so once you grow up, you *don't* want to perpetuate the anger and conflicts..

I often see men with that aspect attract domineering women who will play out their Mars for them (pretty sure that happened to you too).

posted August 20, 2013 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It's cool you talked about wanting to be a policeman with Mars conjunct ascendant and Mercury and Pluto. These would give you some Scorpio-type traits which means you could have an air of authority and perception when you communicate people respond to.

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Getting off topic a bit but no one ever seems to mind too much.
I looked at my progressed chart according to Astro.com and it had Scorpio
Asc
moon
Venus
Uranus
and True node.

posted August 20, 2013 02:30 PM            

What aspects does it make?

posted August 20, 2013 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ I think we're supposed to let them go, you being Scorpio, me being Plutonian. Maybe it only works for 12th house people SSS .

How was it for you SSS? must be pretty interesting as you've got stellium there.

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Keeping this feeling in mind, and the idea of such infinity, one lifetime seems miniscule in comparison so why not just let go and experience without so much judgment? You have this short amount of time, the universe is infinite, so accept that person you hated a few years ago, go out to lunch, and have a pleasant time without the baggage. It doesn't mean you have to spend your entire life with them. It depends on what they did, though. If it's too awfully bad even I would draw the line, but petty things that drive me crazy, I am willing to forgive and accept the person back with a friendly visit.

I read in the link from Doux, Neptune is about attracting people with a similar vibration. I totally agree with that.

posted August 20, 2013 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
You have Moon square Mars just like me.
That usually creates strong emotions and anger issues as well, particularly in close relationships.

But often what happens is that there's a dislike of anger and a fear of confrontation, because early in the life, the atmosphere at home was tense (probably because of the mother) and so once you grow up, you *don't* want to perpetuate the anger and conflicts..

I often see men with that aspect attract domineering women who will play out their Mars for them (pretty sure that happened to you too).

But nothing's set in stone and awareness is key.
It doesn't have to be this bad, it can also mean the ability to fight for loved ones or for a cause.
Protective instincts are usually strong!

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Very very true! You know me!

As a young kid, I was angry and violent. As an adult... I get frustrated, but it passes and I'm never violent. As long as someone backs off or leaves me an escape there's no issue. I won't even argue.

It's funny about protective instincts and such.
14 months ago, I had a very close woman friend at work, and a married couple. This guy, (he still works there, but we've both promoted to different areas), not too many people liked him and I didn't like him before even knowing his name.
He insulted my close woman friend (they were friends also). Being a double Cancer, she cried for 2 weeks over it. I cheered her up eventually.
That guy then kept saying things behind my buddies back as if he was stupid. Him and his wife are strong people and if they want to say something they will, so I left it alone.

posted August 20, 2013 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
When I was a kid, I was much more impulsive/felt everything more intensely, too. I reacted very emotionally to stuff. This is why Libra ascendant is about reaching that balanced state for me. It's emotional balance. I still feel too emotional around people at times. I like the idea of being calm no matter what. It seems detached but, to me, it's just easier to go through life without the emotional drama that impedes progress and everyone around me seems like this except for me, anyway. They seem to deal with life easier in this state.

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Wow, same for me. So let me ask you this. I have a vague idea of your age and I think it's in proximity to mine.
I went through that period too in youth. Everything then was like 1,000X as intense as I feel things now. I was a little wild man into my mid-teens.
Then, wanting to escape that, I became numb to most things. It all internalized and people would tell me to smile. lol
Then finally, the stage I'm at now and which I have made some nice progress in, is to reach the middle ground, as you say, Libra Asc balance. I need to release enough emotion to not seem like I could die tomorrow, but not so much that no one wants to be near me.
At first, it seemed very fake and I hated it. Now, it seems more naturual and with that, confidence. I find myself being that "balanced person" to all walks of life.
Do you relate to that?

posted August 20, 2013 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
The progressed Moon is usually quite noticeable..

What aspects does it make?

In Scorpio, it may give more depth and intensity to your emotions and feelings.
You may be quite "all or nothing" in the way you *feel* about certain things or people.
If transiting Saturn is conjuncting it, it may mean loneliness and an increased sense of isolation.

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WOW! You hit the nail on the head! Definitely all or nothing! Just boom, like that, I'll burn a bridge and keep walking. I did it a lot last year. Also, yeah, I don't mind strong, independent women. It's just if they try to bully ME, they awake the Lion that is normally lounging around. HEhehehe Here's my progressed chart according to Astro.com (with transits)