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Bearee
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posted August 21, 2013 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bearee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 5-year old Lina Medina is the youngest mom in the world... pretty interesting. You can read more on wikipedia if you're interested in the background story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina

I looked up her chart (birth time unknown) and I wondered if you could tell something from her chart.

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posted August 21, 2013 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im surprised she was not elevated to virgin mary status...

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posted August 21, 2013 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LiesLilithsaidtouranus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Something tells me she either had an Aquarius, Aries, or Cancer ASC.
Leaning more towards Aquarius. Venus and Mars would be in the MC, and moon in the 12th.
Could moon in the 12th hide a pregnancy? Does it make sense?

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posted August 21, 2013 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pretty sure her Moon is in tight aspect to Uranus and Pluto, so her birth time is probably late in the afternoon.

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posted August 21, 2013 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^Yeah I'm thinking her Moon and Uranus square must really tight, not all loose-y goosey (trim ur orbs btw!!! Astro pet peeve.)

Might there be some MC/Neptune action? For renown.

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posted August 21, 2013 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shalimar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The moon is her most aspected planet..

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posted August 21, 2013 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WarriorPrincess7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is more sad and tragic than anything, imo.

She suffered from extreme precocious puberty and although other young girls have it, someone sexually molested her and she became pregnant, I hate it how people say "omg what a miracle" EXCUSE ME, there is NO miracle in that. It breaks my heart. I hope the ******* that did this to her got severely punished. This makes me sick to my stomach. Sorry for the rant.

The little girl had sun conjunct Jupiter which is a good indicator of her condition concerning precocious puberty/fertility.

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posted August 21, 2013 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is just too weird. I feel sad for her though

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posted August 22, 2013 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jkitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read the background story from the link you provided. What struck me is her continued secrecy about what happened even many years later. I tried her chart with a 7:30am birth time giving her a Scorpio ascendant. It also puts Aquarius on her 5th house cusp with Uranus in her 6th house which I think explains her precocious puberty and unusual children. It puts her Moon in the 3rd opposing Pluto in the 9th and her youthful pregnancy/birth was communicated and publicized. She and her son were also educated by the doctor who delivered the child, so a 9th house Pluto might also describe that. It puts 3 planets in the 12th house and she certainly was secretive. Try the chart for yourself and see what you think.

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posted August 22, 2013 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The grand cross involving Mercury,Uranus, the moon and Pluto can indicate secrecy. Uranus indicates sudden events that seem totally out of the ordinary, can really change people and have a tremendous impact on their psyches. It's really extraordinary. If anyone wants prime example of a Uranian event, this would qualify. It's just freakish, leaves one with an eerie, uncomfortable feeling. It's the planet of the strange, bizarre, unexpected. Pluto is part of her grand square, is opposite moon. It's another game changer. Square Mercury, could indicate secrecy.

I don't want to drag any house into it without knowing the accurate birth time.

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posted August 22, 2013 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Pluto opposition, Uranus square and Mercury square to her Moon suggests an unstable early environment or one that wasn't prediactable.

There probably was a constant influx of people coming in and out of her environment; all of them imapcting her one way or another.

The Sun-Jupiter conjunction suggests someone whom, at best, is optimistic, gregarious and trusting. At worst, someone who is naive and can get taken adavantage of.

I suspect that she could have trusted someone, during her early years , who sexually molested her but she, at the time not knowing what that was, was oblivious to it and probably obliged.

The Venus squaring Saturn suggests, to me, that it was someone whose opinion she valued and was probably an authority figure(not necessarily the father but that mustn't be ruled out).

Venus square Saturn aspect is still gaining momentum in children but often, the result is that the child is "eager to please" so as to "win" approval/affection that they don't feel that they deserve without taking a specific action to please those whom the approval is sought from.

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posted August 22, 2013 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is just disgusting. If you check at the end of the page in wikipedia, you will see that there are more children around her age who gave birth because someone had raped them.
Noting miraculous at all. Some sick person, raped her and she became pregnant since she was already very grown up for her age.
Completely disgusting.
Put up her Dejanira and Child asteroids.

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posted August 22, 2013 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I hate it how people say "omg what a miracle"

Well the miracle was that both mother and baby survived and were healthy.

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posted August 22, 2013 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes what happened was completely immoral, illegal and disgusting, the fact she conceived a child is the freakish part. I've never heard of it happening with someone this young until now.

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posted August 22, 2013 02:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Yes what happened was completely immoral, illegal and disgusting, the fact she conceived a child is the freakish part. I've never heard of it happening with someone this young until now.

Check out the Wiki link of the OP, there is a list with many children who shuffered the same thing.
Absolutely horrible and disgusting.

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posted August 22, 2013 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She's the youngest one, though. I wonder if they are absolutely sure of her age?

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posted August 22, 2013 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
She's the youngest one, though. I wonder if they are absolutely sure of her age?

Yeah she is the youngest, but there are also children around 7-8 who have went through the same.

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posted August 22, 2013 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have so much admiration for her.. She must've been very brave to go through that and I am just happy things didn't end worse - that there weren't any serious complications with the pregnancy - that she did not die.. and that they were both healthy.

She must be an amazing person - a very strong person judging by her chart.

The fact that a man (although we don't know it was an adult man) sexually abused a child is disgusting.

But this girl and her pregnancy are not disgusting at all.
She's a symbol of strength and a hero for surviving this.
And of course it is a miracle!!
They could've both died. It's a big deal O_O

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posted August 22, 2013 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry - but I think it is a bit disrespectful to keep calling this absolutely horrible and disgusting.

We have to draw a line between the actions of a pedophile... and her OWN life and the way she handled this situation (which is HEROIC not *horrible*).

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posted August 22, 2013 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can understand that reaction. It's just really awful someone so young has to deal with this. It should never happen.

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posted August 22, 2013 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with a odette many terrible things happen in the world. Of course no one here is condoning these actions because they are indeed sick.
Baby girls are murdered because of their gender......
None of this should ever happen but unfortunately this is the world we live in.

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In young adulthood, she worked as a secretary in the Lima clinic of Dr. Lozada, who gave her an education and helped put her son through high school.Medina later married Raúl Jurado, who fathered her second son in 1972.

This is her life, this is the only thing she knows. Imagine how she feels when most people outside of the medical world treated her and her child like abominations. She did have a life worth living.

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posted August 22, 2013 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see your point Odette and I agree, but no child should suffer all this no matter how strong they can prove to be.
Of course her and her child surviving the pregnancy is something very good, noone says the opposite.

I just believe that this pregnancy and all the others of young children having their own children, is the ugly proof that there are sick people out there molesting and abusing kids.

And the fact that she never ever talked or revealed who got her pregnant makes me think that she had to live with a terrible burden.
On top of that her child died before of her, so she had also to endure the unbearable pain of the mother who loses her child. Really I dont say shes not strong, but I just wish this stuff didnt happen at all.

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posted August 22, 2013 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bearee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

quote:
Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
(trim ur orbs btw!!! Astro pet peeve.)

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Originally posted by Jkitty:
I tried her chart with a 7:30am birth time giving her a Scorpio. Try the chart for yourself and see what you think.


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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Put up her Dejanira and Child asteroids.


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posted August 22, 2013 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Bearee, I need help from Ami Anne, for Child and Dejanira, BUT Chiron is conjunct her Dejanira- this doesnt seem good, but the orb maybe is too wide.

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posted August 22, 2013 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
I see your point Odette and I agree, but no child should suffer all this no matter how strong they can prove to be.
Of course her and her child surviving the pregnancy is something very good, noone says the opposite.

I just believe that this pregnancy and all the others of young children having their own children, is the ugly proof that there are sick people out there molesting and abusing kids.

And the fact that she never ever talked or revealed who got her pregnant makes me think that she had to live with a terrible burden.
On top of that her child died before of her, so she had also to endure the unbearable pain of the mother who loses her child. Really I dont say shes not strong, but I just wish this stuff didnt happen at all.


It's because she was too young to understand, or had limited comprehension for some reason. This is why she was unable to tell people and could not talk about the trauma. Typical reaction to a trauma at such an young age.

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