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soulstress
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posted August 25, 2013 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulstress     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never thought I had this "illness" until just recently when I searched about how to overcome excessive daydreaming. I spent days--months even--dreaming my life away. As a Capricorn Moon/Mars, it makes me feel bad to be unproductive. But this is something I can't help but do habitually. What forced me to do something about it was when my mom recognized my behaviour and thought I was just being lazy. So what I did first was, I AVOIDED THE TRIGGERS. I work and go out as much as I can. But as an ambivert, I eventually got drained and so the need to retreat from the outside world is necessary. I struggled so hard and no one actually knows about this. A lot of times I just feel so listless and that makes it a lot easier to indulge to daydreaming. This started as a child so overcoming won't happen overnight.

I don't think I need to see a Psychologist for therapy or something as what others did. I already recognized the problem and doing something about it now. I'd rather find a support group or find solutions myself. This is something I think I can still handle on my own.

Just thought I'd share this here. I've read (some) Sun/Neptune people suffered from this as well. I sincerely they can also overcome this.

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greatquincunx
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posted August 25, 2013 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for greatquincunx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*hugs*
There's a support group on yahoo. I don't think medication would help. I remember looking this up when I thought I was going out of my mind. This was a few months ago.

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Kerosene
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posted August 25, 2013 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I went through this stuff when I was younger
Every time I had to sit still in I use to go into my dream world while using my fingers to mimic my actions in my mind lmfao..
I still do it sometimes when I'm bored or alone...
Both my parents have moon conjunct neptune so they don't really notice anything that's not obvious lol.

I don't have sun/neptune aspects.
Good luck, I just try and keep myself busy and possible try and walk around... well... actually that does not help..
Try and do something constructive like chores. That's what I do.

I probably have fpp, that's what I blame for my strange experiences.

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soren
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posted August 25, 2013 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
good luck getting through it *hug*

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 25, 2013 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And you say you are in "Neptune's Fantasy Land," is this because of the maladaptive daydreaming? I feel the same way! I have the same problem, always have! It caused a lot of issues in school when I had to pay attention to instructions or lessons. I would stare out the window and daydream about what was in the fridge at home, what I would eat the minute I walked through the door after school. If there was a can of Dr Pepper inside, I would salivate over that, couldn't stop thinking about how much I love Dr Pepper and how I could not wait until I got home to drink it. This would quickly become the most important thought in my head, much more important than what anyone said.

I still do it when I read, can feel my attention drifting and a daydreaming forming against my will. It's a real problem!

I have moon in exact opposition to Neptune and Venus trine Neptune.

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anonymidarkness
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posted August 25, 2013 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suffer from this as well but I’m a Pisces so I guess it’s normal.

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Odette
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posted August 25, 2013 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't like calling everything a condition. This is a new "condition" they came up with it seems in 2009 O_O -- according to wikipedia.

I'm born on the same day as you - so I have the same placements (like Sun square Nept and Mars conj Nept) and I'm a huge daydreamer but I think it's a really good thing!!!
I mean it works for me!

I would say everyone in the world with artistic talent - specially writing talent - would be diagnosed with this condition, so it's a bit... I don't know..
I don't see the point in calling it a condition.. or trying to treat it. You are who you are.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/frontal-cortex/2012/06/the-virtues-of-daydreaming.html

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Humans are a daydreaming species. According to a recent study led by the Harvard psychologists Daniel Gilbert and Matthew A. Killingsworth, people let their minds wander forty-seven per cent of the time they are awake.

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In fact, the only activity during which we report that our minds are not constantly wandering is “love making.” We’re able to focus for that.

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In recent years, however, psychologists and neuroscientists have redeemed this mental state, revealing the ways in which mind-wandering is an essential cognitive tool. It turns out that whenever we are slightly bored—when reality isn’t quite enough for us—we begin exploring our own associations, contemplating counterfactuals and fictive scenarios that only exist within the head.

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The experiment itself was simple: a hundred and forty-five undergraduate students were given a standard test of creativity known as an “unusual use” task, in which they had two minutes to list as many uses as possible for mundane objects such as toothpicks, bricks, and clothes hangers.

Subjects were then randomly assigned to one of four different conditions. In three of those conditions, participants were given a twelve-minute break that entailed either: resting in a quiet room, performing a difficult short-term memory task, or doing something so boring that it would elicit mind-wandering. In a final control condition, participants were given no break at all. Finally, all subjects were given another round of creative tests, including the unusual-use tasks they had worked on only a few minutes before.2

Here’s where things get interesting: those students assigned to the boring task performed far better when asked to come up with additional uses for everyday items to which they had already been exposed. Given new items, all the groups did the same. Given repeated items, the daydreamers came up with forty-one per cent more possibilities than students in the other conditions.

What does this mean? Schooler argues that it’s clear evidence that those twelve minutes of daydreaming allowed the subjects to invent additional possibilities, as their unconscious minds pondered new ways to make use of toothpicks. This is why the effect was limited to those items that the subjects had previously been asked about—the question needed to marinate in the mind, “incubating” in those subterranean parts of the brain we can barely control.


So^^ It's good for the imagination. There's a purpose for it - and we are all doing it all the time anyway

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Odette
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posted August 25, 2013 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I spent days--months even--dreaming my life away. As a Capricorn Moon/Mars, it makes me feel bad to be unproductive. But this is something I can't help but do habitually.

But everyone does it habitually....

I mean - is this to an extent where you cannot work/study - go out of the house?

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 25, 2013 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It can be very intrusive. Like during a movie, for example. Most people will sit there, get into their movie mentally, their minds will not drift one time so when it's over, they remember everything that went on, can talk scene by scene to someone who asks.

With maladaptive daydreaming or an attention deficit, I drift away without being able to focus in and control it. It just happens, so, I end up missing some of the movie. I cannot tell whomever asks later exactly what happened scene by scene like the other guy can, so I appear ditsy when really I started day dreaming and tuned some of it out.

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hikoro
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posted August 25, 2013 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gods...
nowadays they have a disorder name for everything and anything...*shrugs*

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 25, 2013 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm interested in learning more about it because I think I have it too.

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Odette
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posted August 25, 2013 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I cannot tell whomever asks later exactly what happened scene by scene like the other guy can

And this always happens with every movie?

Because I have had this happen before.
I don't think it's so unusual to drift off during a movie, specially if the movie reminds you of something else in your life.

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Odette
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posted August 25, 2013 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to create a poll on LL - to see who many people this kind of things has happened to...
Not just in the movie context... but daydreaming in general.

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Kerosene
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posted August 25, 2013 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you all read her post?
Yes everyone day dreams, everyone masturbates too.

When it starts affecting your daily life you have a problem.

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magicspells
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posted August 25, 2013 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magicspells     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chronic daydreamer.. it keeps me sane yet drives me insane... 3rd house neptune, sun trine Neptune and venus in the 12th

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Odette
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posted August 25, 2013 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Did you all read her post?
Yes everyone day dreams, everyone masturbates too.
When it starts affecting your daily life you have a problem.

hmm I know...... but....... I am curious as to whether the real problem is that it actually affects her life... or whether the actual problem is that she is being criticised for it, by some pragmatic Virgo-type person.

She seems self-conscious about something that there is no reason to be so self-conscious about.
My impression is that she may be self-conscious because she was told something like "Get off your butt and stop daydreaming!" -- which wouldn't surprise me at all.

Because there are people out there who are under the impression that everyone has to be 100% attentive at all times.
Like get stuffed! LoL

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Odette
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posted August 25, 2013 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the article I posted... before they go on to defend daydreaming... they mention:

"At first glance, such data (the fact that we daydream 47% of the time) seems like a confirmation of our inherent laziness. In a culture obsessed with efficiency, mind-wandering is often derided as useless—the kind of thinking we rely on when we don’t really want to think. Freud, for instance, described daydreams as “infantile” and a means of escaping from the necessary chores of the world into fantasies of “wish-fulfillment.”

^^ That's my issue.
So if Soulstress has an *actual* problem - that is one thing.... But, if she is caving in to some unnerving Freudian person's criticism, and thinking she has a 'problem' - when actually there is no problem at all - that's a whole 'nother story!

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Kerosene
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posted August 25, 2013 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah fantasies are nice but I have to say if you start living too much in your own world you'll probably miss out on a lot of things life has to offer.
I don't know ops reasoning why she feels her daydreaming is effecting her negatively, maybe she's avoiding things.

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Odette
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posted August 25, 2013 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know her reasoning either.

But I would like to know - since we have the exact same chart

And I am highly sceptical of this being a condition.

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Kerosene
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posted August 25, 2013 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I looked it up and apparently it has to do with trauma..
They found victims cope by excessively day dreaming.
But yeah I love day dreaming..
Do you ever play pretend by yourself...or maybe role play is a more mature term.
Lmfao I know that's very 'infantile' by some standards but It's so much more fun than playing video games or watching tv.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted August 26, 2013 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
And this always happens with every movie?

Because I have had this happen before.
I don't think it's so unusual to drift off during a movie, specially if the movie reminds you of something else in your life.



Other people I know are really good at remembering everything about them, discussing them with others.

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Brendan34
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posted August 26, 2013 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brendan34     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soulstress:
I never thought I had this "illness" until just recently when I searched about how to overcome excessive daydreaming. I spent days--months even--dreaming my life away. As a Capricorn Moon/Mars, it makes me feel bad to be unproductive. But this is something I can't help but do habitually. What forced me to do something about it was when my mom recognized my behaviour and thought I was just being lazy. So what I did first was, I AVOIDED THE TRIGGERS. I work and go out as much as I can. But as an ambivert, I eventually got drained and so the need to retreat from the outside world is necessary. I struggled so hard and no one actually knows about this. A lot of times I just feel so listless and that makes it a lot easier to indulge to daydreaming. This started as a child so overcoming won't happen overnight.

I don't think I need to see a Psychologist for therapy or something as what others did. I already recognized the problem and doing something about it now. I'd rather find a support group or find solutions myself. This is something I think I can still handle on my own.

Just thought I'd share this here. I've read (some) Sun/Neptune people suffered from this as well. I sincerely they can also overcome this.


Would Neptune Oppose Ascendant cause someone to get lost in dreamland sometimes? My Neptune is in Capricorn in House 7 and I am a Pisces also. In my chart, Neptune is actually the most dominant planet.

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posted August 26, 2013 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is maladptive daydreaming?

I daydream quite a bit and can sometimes "zone out" of interacting with others. To actualy detail the process would be a little embarrassing to reveal. So I won't.lol


But I've never thought of it as a problem and, in fact, I have to spend ample time alone and , when I do get married, I'll have a "zone out room" in my house.

It's gonna be kinda like a "gym" room but this room is gonna be a "fantasy/escape" room-no disturbaces.

My boyfriend, who also has some 12th house action with Sun and Moon therein, understands this fully.

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soulstress
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posted August 26, 2013 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulstress     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by greatquincunx:
*hugs*
There's a support group on yahoo. I don't think medication would help. I remember looking this up when I thought I was going out of my mind. This was a few months ago.


Thanks.

Yeah, I found some support group but I haven't joined any of them yet. I read some of them took meds for psychotic which really kinda shocked me. Maybe the ones who resorted to that meds are those who got depressed about it. If it works then that's good for them. Also, I read some who got old having this disorder and I feel really bad for them. That's when I thought that I'm still lucky. I told myself not to get depressed and just focus on the solutions.

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posted August 26, 2013 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Odette, what soulstress said that caught myyyy attention was...

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So what I did first was, I AVOIDED THE TRIGGERS.

When it's by choice, that's a bit more complicated, but something triggers her to begin daydreaming excessively...that's interesting. I've never really heard of Maladaptive Daydreaming either, but I mean, I guess it could be a thing. Definitely sounds like a coping method - losing days or even months at a time due to retreating into yourself...

soulstress, do you have any traumas that you think may have caused this...?

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