posted August 31, 2013 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LiesLilithsaidtouranus:

Hmmm, this is a tricky question. Mars conjunct Chiron would almost be like doing anything you have a drive for, and then it comes crumbling down because people might not accept it? I looked up a bit on it. The way it seems it could be the worst chiron conjunction.
It is almost like a warrior being chained up, who was forced into a war they find difficult to battle.

Chiron conjunct the NN, very close to it or in aspect to it in anyway, seems to bring on a world of pain. Doesn't it? Or no?

Gertrude has NN conjunct Chiron, I believe a person that has this will hurt others and be hurt in the process as well. It's almost like a personal goal.

I'll post up the chart in a little while.

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This woman is just so creepy! NN conjunct Chiron and wanting to hurt others makes absolute sense but I don't believe she was hurt! She didn't die in prison like she should, she got out and the prisoners called her "mum" because she was being so nice to them!

posted August 31, 2013 02:04 PM            

In synastry, if I see a planet like Chiron or Nessus conj the NN, I cannot recommend a relationship.

You will live out what touches your NN in synastry.

It can't be avoided, in my opinion.

With the natal, what touches the NN will be a theme in the person's life.

So, if it is Nessus or Chiron, one would need to know that, if one wanted to get into a relationship with this person.

To me, the chart is all about knowing. Then, you can choose.

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posted August 31, 2013 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
What about Mars square Saturn? It is very notorious aspect.
And strong Mars (Aries, Scorpio) and "gentle" Venus (Cancer, Pisces) in male horoscope? Does that mean sexually dominant man who wants submissive woman? What do you think?

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Interesting. Interesting, Queen.

I think a weak Mars and a strong Venus makes a man who feels very locked in.

So, is Mars sq Saturn a classic aspect for sadism? Please explain the reasoning and thanks for your great post!

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posted August 31, 2013 04:34 PM            

@aqua
Yes, she is a very disturbing human being. But I mean by her getting hurt is that she allowed herself to do those things. So she hurt herself because karma will get back at her no matter.

@Ami
There is a member on here who has Nessus either square or conjunct his NN. Lol
But yes, it would be best to avoid Nessus more than Chiron though in my opinion.
Nessus is pure hate, compared to Chiron. Chiron can be helped, maybe.

@salome
I wouldn't really think cancer venus would show someone who is a sadist. Venus in Pisces, hmm, i wouldn't really know. The only water venus that I think is dominant is Scorpio.
Mars square Saturn, I would definitely think so.

posted August 31, 2013 05:59 PM              

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Originally posted by its_aqua:
This woman is just so creepy! NN conjunct Chiron and wanting to hurt others makes absolute sense but I don't believe she was hurt! She didn't die in prison like she should, she got out and the prisoners called her "mum" because she was being so nice to them!

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If you look at Baniszewski's life, you can't really say nothing was done to her. She'd been in several abusive relationships, so reading Chiron conj NN as getting hurt in relationships would make sense, as does the striking out at someone who was at her mercy.

posted August 31, 2013 06:11 PM            

Well, for the person with Nessus conj the NN, he could transmute the desire to abuse to helping others who are abusive. This kind of transmutation is very, very rare imo

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posted August 31, 2013 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Lies
How close is the Chiron/NN orb?

Well, for the person with Nessus conj the NN, he could transmute the desire to abuse to helping others who are abusive. This kind of transmutation is very, very rare imo

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posted August 31, 2013 09:16 PM            

They have a stellium in Scorpio - Venus, Pluto, Mercury, Sun.

posted August 31, 2013 09:19 PM            

It may be some variation of a planet but it is not an asteroid.

6 degrees could be felt as you sat you do.

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posted September 03, 2013 08:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
Mars square Saturn is probably the hardest aspect in astrology, causing a lot of personal issues. Marquis de Sade and Joseph Mengele had this aspect.

Marquis de Sade also had Cancer Venus and Aries Mars. This came across my mind: if Mars in male chart represent him as a man, and Venus represent women that he is attracted to, than this means that he is an aggressive, passionate man searching for gentle, sensitive, fragile woman. Basically male domination. But this is only my interpretation.

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I never really dealt with Mars square Saturn in the charts. I am gonna do a thread on it. Thanks for you help, Friend!

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posted September 03, 2013 09:16 AM              

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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
Mars square Saturn is probably the hardest aspect in astrology, causing a lot of personal issues. Marquis de Sade and Joseph Mengele had this aspect.

Marquis de Sade also had Cancer Venus and Aries Mars. This came across my mind: if Mars in male chart represent him as a man, and Venus represent women that he is attracted to, than this means that he is an aggressive, passionate man searching for gentle, sensitive, fragile woman. Basically male domination. But this is only my interpretation.

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http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Marquis_de_Sade

Scorpio rising, conjunct Pluto (trine Neptune). Sun in Gemini square Moon in Virgo, with S/M midpoint conjunct Venus. Venus conjuncts Saturn in Cancer, squaring Mars in Aries.

There's no magic bullet for being a sadist or anything else you're looking for in a chart. It's about detecting a theme shown repeatedly in a chart. And you'll still be surprised at what you find.

posted September 03, 2013 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Marquis_de_Sade

Scorpio rising, conjunct Pluto (trine Neptune). Sun in Gemini square Moon in Virgo, with S/M midpoint conjunct Venus. Venus conjuncts Saturn in Cancer, squaring Mars in Aries.

There's no magic bullet for being a sadist or anything else you're looking for in a chart. It's about detecting a theme shown repeatedly in a chart. And you'll still be surprised at what you find.

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posted September 03, 2013 09:59 AM              

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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
So why did you quote me?

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Because Mars square Venus doesn't automatically make you a sadist, it only makes you highly sexed. "Smoking gun" interpretations of just one aspect explain nothing in themselves.

posted September 03, 2013 10:54 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:
Because Mars square Venus doesn't automatically make you a sadist, it only makes you highly sexed. "Smoking gun" interpretations of just one aspect explain nothing in themselves.

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posted September 03, 2013 10:57 AM            

I think this is a classic aspect for homosexuality and bisexuality.

What do you all think?

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posted December 14, 2016 01:15 PM            

I think the most famous sadist is Marquis de Sade which I see has been discussed in this thread.

this person too, is a sadist. he's also a psychopath (in the psychological sense of the word) and has the narcissistic personality disorder.

moon conjunct sado!

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posted December 14, 2016 01:40 PM            

I would say he was more a case of violent fantasies, which is far more common than I certainly realised until I looked into it.

But I never found any evidence he was involved in any actual *acts* of sadism.

posted December 14, 2016 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Is there actually any evidence that the Marquis de Sade *physically* acted out any of the scenarios he wrote? I've never found any, and I did look into this, as I have an interest in the psychology of violence.

I would say he was more a case of violent fantasies, which is far more common than I certainly realised until I looked into it.

But I never found any evidence he was involved in any actual *acts* of sadism.

Many elaborate fantasies remain just that: fantasy.

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not just fantasy

he actually did physically torture his house maids

posted December 14, 2016 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
not just fantasy

he actually did physically torture his house maids

here it is bigger for you Ami

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posted December 14, 2016 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Hmm, I must have missed that. Can you link me to this information please?

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I found his story repulsive to be honest and didn't find the need to go through history books for his yucky life. so I only read his wiki page. quote from that page:

posted December 14, 2016 02:32 PM            

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