posted August 31, 2013 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How would Venus oppose Pluto figure in with looks, do you think?

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In terms of physical appearance, I don't think they're would be an effect unless one or both of these planets (venus and/or pluto) aspect the ascendant or are placed in the 1st house. In my case, I have venus trine ascendant, which usually grants charm and beauty. With pluto opposing venus, it adds intensity to an otherwise light-hearted aspect. People will have a stronger reaction towards you for better or for worse.

In my case, I have met people who will move mountains for me even though I can't offer anything else in return other than a simple "thanks." Others become downright obsessive to the point where I fear for my safety. Pluto definitely affects how others perceive me.

posted August 31, 2013 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by cappy1277:
Beauty is so subjective like someone has already said...everyone has different taste. Some men may appreciate the barbie look while some men like the homey looking girl who can't dress. I have a particular look that I like in men and sometimes even with the best looking men around, I fail to see the beauty in them.

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Agreed.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok
Can we say that Venus sq the ASC does not feel comfortable with their beauty.

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I think that is somewhat accurate. Or maybe being oblivious to it. I have Venus (libra) sq Asc (cancer) exact. Everyone is always like you looks so pretty, exotic (I get this a lot being bi-racial), cute, etc. I'm barely starting to be like "hey! maybe I am!".

A little off topic but one thing I am noticing with the Venus sq ASC and Venus trine chart ruler (moon-gemini) is that the girls I think are pretty and can see what guys would like physically tend to have libra, cancer or gemini influences.

posted August 31, 2013 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

What does Ishtar do?

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posted September 01, 2013 10:00 AM            

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posted September 01, 2013 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Do you think the degree of the trine matters like exact versus more or an orb.

How would Venus trine ASC differ from Venus sq ASC in how the person looked, do you think.

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I was always under the impression that hard aspects from planets aspecting the ASC are what contributes to looks, hm.

I wonder if East Point contributes to looks. I thought I read it did --- will try to find a link and come back to this

posted September 01, 2013 05:03 PM            

I do agree with the statements about beauty being in the eye of the beholder, dictated by whatever society you live in, etc.

I don't know if you'll be able to pinpoint beauty in a chart. Charm, magnetism, sweet disposition, unique attraction, perhaps all of those things--beauty, probably not so much.

There are so many types of "beauty" that I do believe trying to pin it down in a chart might be impossible. And we're all attracted to who we're attracted to. I'm with Kerosene and Cappy on this one; stereotypical beauty is something that I find quite dull most of the time.

posted September 02, 2013 07:56 AM            

About Lilith:

My Lilith in Scorpio (2nd) has opposition with Venus (8th),
Lilith has other aspect:
trine to Mars (10th).
It is not very rich with aspects!!

I can't say I am beutiful (I change, like a weather here).
People say, I have something in the eyes, "something special"

As I know much people with Libra Sun (my Asc Libra), I have seen that Venus in Libra gives beautiful face, but more beautiful eyes.

Bobbie

posted September 02, 2013 08:36 AM            

Nice to see you again!

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posted September 02, 2013 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thanks Bobbie
Nice to see you again!

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Ami,

It is pitty that you are far away, because you are the right person, to work and make research together.

WL, Bobbie

posted September 02, 2013 09:16 AM            

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posted September 02, 2013 09:58 AM            

Attractive modern entertainers and actors, (those males who know and use their appearances), often have the hot planet Venus in a cool sign like Virgo or Capricorn. And they have Saturn in aspect with Venus or the Ascendant. We admire them from a distance. Males with closer contacts with women have more placements in Taurus and Libra. But how about women? I compared the charts of eight women who are considered to be one of the most beautiful women in the world. And I found Venus-Saturn (just like in the charts of men) and Venus-Pluto, together, in 7 of them. But there are exceptions (there always are...): Catherine Deneuve. However... She has Venus 'calling' in the eight house (the house of Pluto) trine the Capricorn Ascendant.

In the post about Britney I mention the professional femme fatale (Venus-Saturn-Pluto: the 'die hard' in cases of love and beauty) in her chart. Maybe that is a way to see Venus-Saturn-Pluto. There is an expression in my country:
If you want to be beautiful, you must suffer.
Just depilate and scrub and you will see how true that is... And how about the challenge (Pluto) of aging (Saturn), a serious problem for the beauty and the charm...?
Suffer for beauty, charm, estetics or vanity....maybe that is exactly what Venus-Saturn-Pluto is about. (However, see this link to an article with movie about the experiment that proves that kindness improves the looks,... of apples... .
Continue to see the charts and observations and for links to posts about the women....and about apples...

BRITNEY SPEARS
Venus in Capricorn square Pluto and square Saturn
Venus <>MR Saturn
See: http://astropost.blogspot.com/2008/07/price-of-beauty-and-chart-of-britney.html
Quote: Beauty (Venus) has its price (Pluto) when you have Venus square Pluto, like Britney has.

MICHELLE PFEIFFER
Venus in Pisces square Saturn and 157.5 Pluto (that is a sesquisquare + half semi square).
Here is her chart:

LINDSEY LOHAN
Venus 105 Saturn and in minor aspect with Pluto. Time of birth is unknown.
See: http://astropost.blogspot.com/2007/12/birth-chart-lindsay-lohan.html
Qoute:
it might cost her to be beautiful and looking good always.

BRIGITTE BARDOT
Venus in Virgo inconjunct Saturn
Venus/Pluto opposition Saturn
Here is her chart:

ANGELINA JOLIE
Angelina Jolie has Venus in Cancer conjunct Ascendant and Uranus square Ascendant.
Venus/Pluto semi square Saturn and sesquisquare Midheaven
See: http://astropost.blogspot.com/2008/10/link-between-angelina-jolie-jennifer.html

MARILYN MONROE
Marilyn Monroe's Venus is making minor aspects with Saturn (75 d) and Pluto (157.5d)
See: http://astropost.blogspot.com/2008/04/birth-chart-of-marilyn-monroe-material.html
Quote: This is the Astro I.D. of a rather shocking or very controversial person (...). Uranus is semi sextile Venus. It is the tightest aspect in this chart, indicating artistic talents or extra ordinary beauty. So we have a shocking (Uranus and Pluto) female (Venus).
INGRID BERGMAN
Ingrid Bergman has Venus in Virgo in the first house sextile Pluto and 47.5d Saturn (too wide for a semi square). Ceres is elevated.
Here is the chart:

CATHERINE DENEUVE is an exception in this list.
Her Venus in Virgo is 'calling' and trine AC, sextile MC
This is her chart:

PALLAS URANUS VENUS MOON
Of course there is more than one combination of aspects and of course there is an individual chart and corresponding individual beauty specialities. See the links to the posts about Britney, Lindsey and Marilyn, for example. But, I have already noticed that Pallas, Uranus, Venus and/or the Moon are often in aspect with the Ascendant in the charts of beauti2es. Britney Spears has Uranus and Pallas. BB has Uranus and Moon. Jolie has Uranus and Venus. Deneuve has Pallas. Pfeiffer has Pallas and Moon. Marilyn Monroe has Uranus sesquisquare Ascendant.

CERES (good genes)
Sometimes there is a genetical beauty component, shown by Ceres and/or the family was important for the career:

posted September 02, 2013 10:12 AM            

Awesome!

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posted September 02, 2013 10:12 AM            

Venus inconjunct pluto. 1°16'
Neptune inconjunct Asc. 1°53

Lilith conjunct neptune
Lilith conjunt juno

Venus sextile Asc. 4°35'
Moon sextile Asc. 2°02

Uranus trine Asc. 4°05

Mars quintile Asc. 1°10

Sun semi-sextile Asc. 0°22'

posted September 02, 2013 10:17 AM            

Put the degrees of orbs in, Friend.

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posted September 02, 2013 11:23 AM            

Great work

I need to really study but on a brief look, I wonder if the minor aspects are so important.

What do you think?

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posted September 02, 2013 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
I HAVE:

Venus inconjunct pluto. 1°16'
Neptune inconjunct Asc. 1°53

Lilith conjunct neptune
Lilith conjunt juno

Venus sextile Asc. 4°35'
Moon sextile Asc. 2°02

Uranus trine Asc. 4°05

Mars quintile Asc. 1°10

Sun semi-sextile Asc. 0°22'

Jupiter square Asc. 3°02
Pluto square Asc. 3°18

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My question would be this. What are the minor differences in each aspect.

I think I honed something down and that is the difference between venus sq the ASC and venus trine the ASC. I have the trine and cappy has the square.

She seems as if she does not like too much attention on her looks and would rather be appreciated for her intelligence.

I would rather be complimented on my looks than my intelligence.

I really think that we could hone down each aspect if we really tried but it may be hard.

For example, does the inconjunct make one uncomfortable with beauty?

Do you see what I mean?

I think Venus trine the ASC makes a person more vain than venus sq the ASC, too. This is just a theory.

I wonder how the above differs from venus conj the ASC.

Any thoughts on this, VM?

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posted September 02, 2013 11:47 AM            

If you are looking at a Natal Chart that I wrote for you, the QUINCUNX a.k.a. INCONJUNCT LINES in the middle of your Chart Wheel will be the color RED.

A quincunx a.k.a. inconjunct is an aspect that makes "integration" a challenge. This is an aspect that should not be skipped over because it is actually an important piece of your Life puzzle. One very BIG reason is because 2 quincunx' plus 1 sextile make an isosceles triangle that is known as a "Yod." And a "Yod" is also known as "the finger of God," or "finger of Fate."

Remember, quincunx means "integration." The quincunx is asking you to change something or make an adjustment in the 2 houses where the planets sit that create the quincunx. A quincunx is a 150° angle (8° "orb" or less). In medical astrology, the orb is said to be (2° to 5° degrees) and is considered the most important aspect in the chart. The quincunx glyph looks like a semisextile that is upside down.

A quincunx is often described as "being between a rock and a hard place." Therefore, the quincunx is described as a "hard" aspect, meaning it brings challenge. And challenges eventually build a stronger character. Through your own inflexibility, the quincunx will teach you to either "bend" or "break." Either way, you'll learn. And whether you learn the easy way or the hard way is certainly up to you.

A quincunx is thought to be one of the most difficult aspects to work with because it will not allow for retreat. There's no backing down when it comes to this aspect because you can't just think your way out of it, you have to take action on those thoughts. The quincunx will challenge you to trust your own intuition. Intuition is a very big deal when it comes to quincunx'. Remember, 2 quincunx plus 1 sextile makes a "yod," which means the "Finger of God." Couple the intuition with the "yod" and you have a blast of intuition coming through to your "I AM" presence. This is your inner voice, which is God speaking to you and through you.

The quincunx is asking you to trust your inner voice. Use that intuition, so that you can change the dynamics going on in your Life. When you change the dynamics, then transformation takes place. When transformation takes place, then integration occurs. You will integrate "you" into your Life path instead of standing on the sidelines waiting for something to do it for you. You must do it.

If you just flat out refuse to trust yourself; refuse to trust your intuition or refuse to listen to your inner voice, gut instinct and hunches, then you'll only find adversity and your adversaries staring you in the face. And if find yourself eye to eye with adversity or an adversary, believe me, you'll be the one blinking first.

Trust your intuition and then integrate it!

Look at the nature of the planets involved, then work that Quincunx!

posted September 02, 2013 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
Neptune inconjunct Asc would make sense to me. I always feel like im ugly. But i gets lots of attention from men when i am out and women stare at me and observe me. All my ex boyfriends have been handsome. My mom always told me i get handsome men. So i guess the inconjunct makes sense. I cant see in me what others see.

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WOW This is powerful. I knew each aspect must have it's own meaning. Thank you for this and I am sorry you struggle with it.

The gift of the inconjunct is that it can be transformed and is the only aspect of transformation.

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posted January 26, 2014 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
You gotta take this sorta thing with a load of salt.

I have all the stereotypical indicators for supposed beauty in the natal chart, but most people would classify me as ugly. I don't care - with Venus in the 7th I attract hotties anyway.

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