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Topic: The Geocentric chart (sidereal)
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Queen Salome
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posted September 18, 2013 04:43 PM
  
If I had interpret my sidereal chart first, I would end thinking that astrology is nonsense.
On the other hand, my tropical chart describes me to a T. Thats why I'm here today.IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
If I had interpret my sidereal chart first, I would end thinking that astrology is nonsense.
On the other hand, my tropical chart describes me to a T. Thats why I'm here today.
Then stick with the tropical! I'm only sharing this from what i've found out and come to believe. 
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Queen Salome
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posted September 18, 2013 05:14 PM
Did you interpret your sidereal chart in the exactly same way like tropical?
Because some people are saying that this are two different systems and they should be interpreted differently. IP: Logged |
inaworldofsong
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posted September 18, 2013 05:22 PM
Yeah, I'm looking at my sidereal chart right now and... no. Just no.I go from a Sag Sun with a Libra Moon to a Scorp Sun with a Virgo Moon. It gets rid of my Sagittarius influence entirely, and would make me EXTREMELY Scorpionic - Scorpio Sun in the 8th house, and Scorpio Mercury, Jupiter, and Pluto. I simply don't have the emotional intensity that would come with a Water Sun-Earth Moon combination. I'm exhausted by the slightest emotional outburst. And I'm WAY too shy around strangers to be a Aries Rising. Sidereal makes absolutely no sense for me. IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
Did you interpret your sidereal chart in the exactly same way like tropical?
Because some people are saying that this are two different systems and they should be interpreted differently.
Where did you get that from?  From what i've seen the chart is mapped out the same way, but the suns path is recorded differently and it's up to date with the current alignment of the stars IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by inaworldofsong:
Yeah, I'm looking at my sidereal chart right now and... no. Just no.I go from a Sag Sun with a Libra Moon to a Scorp Sun with a Virgo Moon. It gets rid of my Sagittarius influence entirely, and would make me EXTREMELY Scorpionic - Scorpio Sun in the 8th house, and Scorpio Mercury, Jupiter, and Pluto. I simply don't have the emotional intensity that would come with a Water Sun-Earth Moon combination. I'm exhausted by the slightest emotional outburst. And I'm WAY too shy around strangers to be a Aries Rising. Sidereal makes absolutely no sense for me.
When is your d.o.b?
With the 13th sign introduced into the Sun signs Scorpio has only a 9day period in which the sun stays in the constellation, you could be an Ophiuchus? or a Libra
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Queen Salome
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posted September 18, 2013 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
Where did you get that from? From what i've seen the chart is mapped out the same way, but the suns path is recorded differently and it's up to date with the current alignment of the stars
Other astro forums. IP: Logged |
inaworldofsong
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posted September 18, 2013 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
When is your d.o.b?
With the 13th sign introduced into the Sun signs Scorpio has only a 9day period in which the sun stays in the constellation, you could be an Ophiuchus? or a Libra
I'm November 28th, so I just miss out on the Ophiuchus range. I'd be a Scorpio and it just doesn't fit. =/ IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes I was born on both planets somehow.
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posted September 18, 2013 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
I very very very much so show traits of an Ophiuchus
Yes, that's because the 13th sign takes up most of Scorpio and some Sag. It's not counted though because it is in the signs of Scorpio and Sag. IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yes, that's because the 13th sign takes up most of Scorpio and some Sag. It's not counted though because it is in the signs of Scorpio and Sag.
It's not counted because the astrologers are alot ****** lazier than the astronomers  IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 05:58 PM
http://www.zaradia.com/id6.html
http://siderealist.com/
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100807214723AABI6sA
http://siderealist.com/changing_your_sign.html IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 05:59 PM
Traditional Western astrology has been flawed since Ptolemy, the Roman astronomer, who designed Tropical astrology, ignored the precession of the equinoxes, the anomaly in the earth’s rotation. This annual event gradually causes a loss of one degree every 72 years. When Ptolemy locked Earth’s motion to its seasons, he planted a ever-worsening error in his own system. In his era, 212 A.C.E., Spring occurred in Aries and the mistake had no effect. Today, 1800 years later, it starts in Pisces, and the error is catastrophic.Rome was a complete disaster for astrology. The rapacious Romans used astrology for their own propaganda. The Romans used astrology to conquer. Their first objective was to break the back of powerful female humanistic leadership, kill all medicine women, herbal healers, and midwives. While their legions achieved the genocide of the Earth Mother with fire and blood, Roman astronomer (he posited that the Sun orbited Earth) Ptolemy was eliminating Ophiuchus—the symbol of female power—from a male-oriented 12-sign system. The gender of Ophiuchus and other strong Zodiacal females (Aries, Taurus, Leo) were also changed into men by the Romans. EVERY astrological chart using the Tropical method is too advanced by 24 degrees. It’s easy to verify this with a cursory look at the skies, by observation or computer. Sidereal will accurately reflect the planets’ true positions in the Zodiac, while the Tropical system fails to deliver.
Tropical astrology is a disaster which makes modern astrology, and ALL astrologers, look like the laughing stock in the scientific community. Astrology is a hoax for what is essentially a mathematical mistake! Sidereal astrology makes Tropical astrology obsolete, since we use the same ephemeris as astronomers. Our readings agree with their sightings. IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 05:59 PM
Sidereal astrology uses the fixed stars as the reference points, rather than the vernal equinox, so Sidereal results will be always accurate regardless of the changing seasons. Astronomers also use the fixed stars because their vast distances from Earth make their positions virtually permanent. Vedic astrologers also use sidereal time—having never adhered to Ptolemy’s ephemeris, and always using their own observations.
Our slogan is: “Bring astrology back to move it forward.” Using Sidereal astrology can make it a credible sociological tool and a valuable personal helpmate for the modern age. This is what the creators of astrology had in mind: a system that connects us with the Universe, a way to look into the infinite void and sync ourselves with its vast fabric of time and space. We CAN still use the ancient archetypal heroes and villains to bring an ineffable narrative into our lives, and greater understanding to the world. Without an accurate map of the Universe, howevecan we ever hope to understand it, or our places in it?Sidereal Replaces Tropical
Cyril Fagan developed Sidereal astrology as a more accurate way of charting the planet's Zodiac positions, to replace the corrupted Tropical ephemeris. The sad truth is that Tropical astrology has disgraced astrology as a science, and also made it too unreliable to be a useful tool for our modern age. When people discover their REAL sign they are usually blown away by how accurate astrology really can be, and how useful it is for understanding yourself AND lovers, friends, coworkers; Sidereal also works better at predictions, progressions, transits and solar returns, and all other astrological purposes.
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PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 06:02 PM
Merc whats your chart like in the sidereal?(western)
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PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 06:05 PM
IMO ( and should be in others) Ophiuchus is 100% real, you only need to look at Ben Stiller, Brendan Fraser, Ian Somerhalder, Flo-Rida + Ozzy Osbourne to see they are much more an Ophiuchus than a Sagittarius, having my Ophiuchus Sun in the first i can see it very strongly in myself.IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 06:07 PM
and anyone whos interested in the 13th sign, look at those people i just named on google, i really don't find it hard to see they are under Ophiuchus and not Sagittarius ..?IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 06:11 PM
It's also strongly connected with the Galactic Centre, and the Galactic Centres affects astrologically are related to Ophiuchus IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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posted September 18, 2013 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
Get your sidereal chart on Astro.com under chart selection - Zodiac - Fagan/Bradley Geocentric, Sidereal
I use Lahiri, that's Vedic Sidereal, which is about a 1 degree difference from Fagan/Bradley IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 06:21 PM
from what i've studied Ptomelys deletion of Ophiuchus from the Zodiac gave power to man during the Roman ages, Ophiuchus is the Divine/Feminine 'Feminine Snake Wisdom' IP: Logged |
PlutoFish
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posted September 18, 2013 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
from what i've studied Ptomelys deletion of Ophiuchus from the Zodiac gave power to man during the Roman ages, Ophiuchus is the Divine/Feminine 'Feminine Snake Wisdom'
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Mercurian Intellect
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From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes I was born on both planets somehow.
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posted September 18, 2013 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by chargeomentum:
how different tropical and sidereal are for me:tropical:
sun aries
moon sagg
asc virgo
mars taurus sidereal:
sun aries
moon scorpio
asc leo
mars aries and a lot of other different aspects. I'm sorry what ? I'm supposed to be a totally different person ??? Weird thing that astrology is, and confusing as hell too.
Can anyone tell me which one should I believe? Or is it completely my choise?
Tbh, which one describes you more.
I feel that my Vedic fits me better overall.
I only have a Virgo Sun in Tropical, yet I'm a Virgo at heart and more Virgo than anyone else I know that has many planets in Virgo. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes I was born on both planets somehow.
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posted September 18, 2013 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by chargeomentum:
how different tropical and sidereal are for me:tropical:
sun aries
moon sagg
asc virgo
mars taurus sidereal:
sun aries
moon scorpio
asc leo
mars aries and a lot of other different aspects. I'm sorry what ? I'm supposed to be a totally different person ??? Weird thing that astrology is, and confusing as hell too.
Can anyone tell me which one should I believe? Or is it completely my choise?
Tbh, which one describes you more.
I feel that my Vedic fits me better overall.
I only have a Virgo Sun in Tropical, yet I'm a Virgo at heart and more Virgo than anyone else I know that has many planets in Virgo. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes I was born on both planets somehow.
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posted September 18, 2013 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
Would you not rather go by the chart which is officialy true and correct?
Seriously look it up, its a very known thing that the tropical chart hasn't taken in the up to date allignments
I know what you're saying PlutoFish, but what most people don't know about (which even I was baffled about) is that it's not really the constellations that influence us, but the parts of space called 'Zodiac Zones' IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes I was born on both planets somehow.
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posted September 18, 2013 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by inaworldofsong:
Yeah, I'm looking at my sidereal chart right now and... no. Just no.I go from a Sag Sun with a Libra Moon to a Scorp Sun with a Virgo Moon. It gets rid of my Sagittarius influence entirely, and would make me EXTREMELY Scorpionic - Scorpio Sun in the 8th house, and Scorpio Mercury, Jupiter, and Pluto. I simply don't have the emotional intensity that would come with a Water Sun-Earth Moon combination. I'm exhausted by the slightest emotional outburst. And I'm WAY too shy around strangers to be a Aries Rising. Sidereal makes absolutely no sense for me.
"shy around strangers"
Virgo Moon perhaps?
Where's your Mars and Venus in both systems? IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
Knowflake Posts: 533
From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes I was born on both planets somehow.
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posted September 18, 2013 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
Merc whats your chart like in the sidereal?(western)
Vedic (Sidereal)
-Virgo Sun 3rd
-Gemini Moon 12th
-Virgo Vulcan 3rd
-Virgo Mercury 3rd
-Virgo Venus 3rd (I fit both Virgo and Libra like a combination. I'm shy yet very romantic)
-Pisces Earth 9th
-Libra Mars 4th
-Scorpio Jupiter 5th
-Aquarius Saturn 8th
-Capricorn Uranus 7th
-Sagittarius Neptune 6th
-Scorpio Pluto 5th
-Virgo Chiron 3rd
-Virgo Ceres 3rd
-Leo Vesta 2nd
-Leo Pallas 2nd
-Scorpio Juno 5th The houses in Lahiri uses the whole sign system.
I don't use Fagan/Brdley Sidereal because it makes me a Leo Sun at 29 degrees and I'm NOT a Leo Sun, so in Lahiri Sidereal, I'm a Virgo Sun at 0 degrees. IP: Logged |
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