posted September 21, 2013 04:16 PM            

I would look at 12th house afflictions, perhaps?
I had a relationship with someone who had Pluto and Mars conj in their 12th house with some hard aspects, and he would lie about the stupidest things.
It was as though by not telling other people what was really going on, even on the most mundane level, he had some sort of secret control over his life that he didn't feel he had otherwise.

posted September 21, 2013 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Yes, i also knew of a 12th house pisces mars square saggy neptune, he lied alot. He felt justified though because he would let people hurt him over and over again and then he would get back at them by lying about stuff.

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Ew. I can't stand lying in general (and I have Neptune square both sun and moon). I do have to be mindful of committing to more than I can realistically offer, but I truly do despise outright dishonesty.

posted September 21, 2013 04:34 PM            

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posted September 21, 2013 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Mercury is the liar. Neptune simply denies boundaries to anything it touches. Could be sense of morality, drive, body, mind... And can take it highway or rogue way.

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Interesting. I am not an expert, but the chart of the person I know (who could easily be defined as a compulsive liar in the most literal sense) has no afflictions to his Mercury. It only makes a trine to his Moon?

However, he does have plenty of 12th house stuff going on. He does have Neptune oppositions to Sun and Mercury, but again I think that has more to do with being mildly delusional about what promises one is able to keep, and boundaries, as you mentioned.

posted September 21, 2013 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by cappy1277:
this may seem to easy, but the three prolific liars that I have known, all had gemini mars. One was a leo, an aries and cancer. Lies for no reason at all....double lives, pretending to be someone they weren't. I am sure there were other aspects involved but this one stood out to me.

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I have gemini mars unaspected, maybe thats why i struggled with this so much as a child?

A huge liar i know, also had a gemini mars, he lied about his life, his job, his wife...everything for a year! Made up some of the biggest lies ive ever heard and then went into great detail about them to!

posted September 21, 2013 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Interesting. I am not an expert, but the chart of the person I know (who could easily be defined as a compulsive liar in the most literal sense) has no afflictions to his Mercury. It only makes a trine to his Moon?

However, he does have plenty of 12th house stuff going on. He does have Neptune oppositions to Sun and Mercury, but again I think that has more to do with being mildly delusional about what promises one is able to keep, and boundaries, as you mentioned.

Just my two cents. I'm guessing there are many combinations and aspects that would figure into the tendency to lie.

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Agreed. Sun oppo Neptune is exactly like you've described him.

Lying is an intentional deceit. Pisces/Neptune - if they lie, they lie themselves first and foremost and have no idea what they are doing,distorted perception.

It's the mutable cross - it's the dissection and manipulation of information and knowledge. Take into account Virgo and Sagittarius people, too.

posted September 21, 2013 04:57 PM            

The asteroid Lie does absolutely nothing in this guy's chart, which is odd because he is absolutely a compulsive liar.

My mother in-law has a Gemini Moon as well, but a Leo Mars. She is gossipy and bends the truth a bit, but not an outright liar. More like an "unconsciously bend the truth so that my gossip suits my purposes" type of liar, haha.

posted September 21, 2013 05:04 PM            

T-square involves Sun/Moon/Neptune...but I think that, due to other placements in my chart, I don't tend to lie to myself about how I am, who I am, what I'm doing, etc.

BUT...it is very difficult for me to keep my boundaries with others firmly intact, once I've opened the door to let them into my life. I will *wish* I could do something (mostly regarding my time and energy), so I will agree to it, and then not follow through. I've gotten better about it, though. I often find myself having to call people back and say "You know what? I'm not going to be able to do that, I'm sorry." Which is by far better than simply not showing up for people (we live and learn, I suppose).

Anyway, back to topic, sorry...

I still vote for 12th house issues (although I wouldn't be able to pinpoint what those issues and placements might be, lol).

posted September 21, 2013 05:15 PM            

But no...actually I prefer to keep my mouth shut if I don't know what I'm talking about, I rarely lie, only if I feel a big amount of pressure... if it wasn't for the saturn influence, I think I would be one big fat liar, cause I'm both mutable, moon and mercury dominant, but my saturn keeps me grounded the most of the time! I don't mind superficial talking and smaller lies though, I just think it's a part of life, and everyone knows that everyone is lying all the time, but it's the bigger lies that is more destructive, so I avoid those, it's much better to be completely honest then!
I consider small lies to be like "I'm looking good in this?" "Yes of course!" - when they are not lol.
I have a friend who is actually a bit TOO honest, she sometimes just say out of nowhere I look awful in this and that (when I also already know I do) but I would actually prefer a lie, than the boring truth lol...she has her venus in 1st house so I know she only does it to help me with my style and she got a great taste, but it's just irritating anyways!

posted September 21, 2013 05:18 PM            

If you have difficulty maintaining boundaries with people who are close to you, you may well end up making an ideal out of them, projecting onto them etc. When they don't respond to you, you feel let down and disappointed.

posted September 21, 2013 05:45 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Violets,

If you have difficulty maintaining boundaries with people who are close to you, you may well end up making an ideal out of them, projecting onto them etc. When they don't respond to you, you feel let down and disappointed.
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I'll have to agree with you on that, but I find that it's primarily manifested in my romantic relationships (and on rare occaisons friendships), as Neptune sits in my 5th house.

But expectations are just expectations, and it's not always personal if others don't or can't live up to them. I think that's something that I've learned (and am still learning) along the way in life.

posted September 21, 2013 06:01 PM            

If we really want to get into Neptune hard aspects regarding personal planets, as opposed to other truth seeking elements in a chart and smoother aspects to Neptune and Pluto...

I was a very self-destructive person who sought escapism through drugs and alcohol for many years. When I realized that the sole purpose of that self-destruction and escapism was to prevent myself from facing my inner pain, I couldn't do it anymore. It seemed cowardly and unnecessary. So I stopped.

Ditto for destructive relationships. When I realized the root of the problem, and the fact that it was detrimental to my life, I stopped. And subsequently met my husband, who I believe I view in a reasonably objective light.

I now work in a capacity where I help others who have similar problems, or worse problems to deal with.

My NN is conjunct my Neptune.

Hope that helps. I think you kinda have to look at the entire chart before making too many assumptions.

posted September 21, 2013 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Well, I have a libra mercury square jupiter, neptune and saturn:P And I'm a virgo sun, pisces moon
I was a good sales-person though^^ Or no I really wasn't, now I'm just lying again!

But no...actually I prefer to keep my mouth shut if I don't know what I'm talking about, I rarely lie, only if I feel a big amount of pressure... if it wasn't for the saturn influence, I think I would be one big fat liar, cause I'm both mutable, moon and mercury dominant, but my saturn keeps me grounded the most of the time! I don't mind superficial talking and smaller lies though, I just think it's a part of life, and everyone knows that everyone is lying all the time, but it's the bigger lies that is more destructive, so I avoid those, it's much better to be completely honest then!
I consider small lies to be like "I'm looking good in this?" "Yes of course!" - when they are not lol.
I have a friend who is actually a bit TOO honest, she sometimes just say out of nowhere I look awful in this and that (when I also already know I do) but I would actually prefer a lie, than the boring truth lol...she has her venus in 1st house so I know she only does it to help me with my style and she got a great taste, but it's just irritating anyways!

Lies can actually be good sometimes!!

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because of growing up the way i did where i would knee jerk say what people wanted to hear of fear or their reactions and then feeling terrible about myself in private for it....today i have a hard time even telling the little lies, it still makes me feel bad! Ive vowed to say the fewest words necessary and much of the time you dont have to lie.(can you believe that coming from a loud mouth saggy?)
If im going to be late because i lost track of time instead of making up an excuse that doesnt make me sound bad, like traffic. I just say 'im going to be late, sorry.'

I also have venus in my 1st, i dont comment on peoples clothes unless i love it. If i dont i follow the rule of 'very least thats said is always best' But when i love someones outfit, i gush over it!

posted September 21, 2013 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Completely off topic (sorry to hijack your thread, OP), but...

If we really want to get into Neptune hard aspects regarding personal planets, as opposed to other truth seeking elements in a chart and smoother aspects to Neptune and Pluto...

I was a very self-destructive person who sought escapism through drugs and alcohol for many years. When I realized that the sole purpose of that self-destruction and escapism was to prevent myself from facing my inner pain, I couldn't do it anymore. It seemed cowardly and unnecessary. So I stopped.

Ditto for destructive relationships. When I realized the root of the problem, and the fact that it was detrimental to my life, I stopped. And subsequently met my husband, who I believe I view in a reasonably objective light.

I now work in a capacity where I help others who have similar problems, or worse problems to deal with.

My NN is conjunct my Neptune.

Hope that helps. I think you kinda have to look at the entire chart before making too many assumptions.

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Sorry, I'm feeling a bit feisty today for some reason. I'm not normally quite this argumentative (at least with people I don't know, lol).
Peace.

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posted September 21, 2013 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
That was so nice to read... I think you got the very best out of your neptune already!
Would like to see your chart, you must have some strong willpower to compensate for the lazy neptune?

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Thanks.

My Neptune is at the base of a Yod involving Saturn at the apex, and Mercury as the other part of the sextile.

It's also the apex of a talent triangle (or small triangle) with Pluto and Mercury. So my NN figures into most of those aspects, although it's not part of the Yod.

posted September 21, 2013 06:32 PM            

Neptune sq Merc- honesty is elastic- def true..i have a coworker that has this placement and she is constantly plotting and starting things up from nothing, twisting them..

Mercury sq Mars- the person is cunning and has a sharp tongue- beware lol

Mercury sq Uranus- the person shows no respect, disrespectful...