posted September 29, 2013 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
Astrology should not be defined by the way certain people choose to use it.

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posted September 29, 2013 02:33 PM              

It's due to my experiences. I hardly ever use astrology as a tool for planning anymore.

Anyway the pandora's box is open, there's no use saying it's dangerous.. hand someone a knife and you gotta trust they don't knife you with it.

there are powers way stronger than astrology though, but Saturn here seems to be the strongest in the lives of human beans.

Oh yeah, and it taught me the invisible side of humans. I really like that fact I have an edge over others who have veils over their eyes.

posted September 29, 2013 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by NandiNode:
The fact that you have an awareness that you could be prejudging others and subconsciously sabotaging relationships - that any of us could do that - is a good thing, right? So we/you are not entirely powerless under the influence of astrological doctrines. And the thing is, many times people who don't do any astrology at all, do the same things, they just have other things they base their assumptions on. I personally find it important to give people a chance. Analyzing others, trying to figure them out, is always a different thing than really listening to them and being in the here and now with them.

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posted September 29, 2013 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
I have tendency to over-analyze every situation and person that comes in my life so I guess my argument is really based off of how I feel and how I use Astrology sometimes. I'm slowly trying to get away from this fact, but it's hard because I love astrology and I think the whole topic is beautiful. I just wish I could take some classes on the subject because learning this stuff independently with a help of a few sites and Astrologers on different forums, it's frustrating and confusing.

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posted September 29, 2013 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Astrology is enlightenment.

Look at the number of people who commit suicide during their Saturn Return.

Perhaps if they had known about it they would have understood that it's just a long phase of hard trials and that "this too shall pass."

I disagree firmly.

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posted September 29, 2013 03:28 PM            

I see it more as language actually, not a science proven religion or anything like that. Like programming language, or any world country language. Being able to talk to people who know it. It's fun and useful at the same time.

posted September 29, 2013 03:33 PM            

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Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something — your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever.

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posted September 29, 2013 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Emily033:
I feel it can be dangerous in the wrong hands. Like for someone with mental issues. I knew a guy who was obsessed with astrology archetypes and was thoroughly convinced that I was Persephone incarnate, because of my Venus/Pluto conjunct ascendant.
He also convinced himself he was given the role to be Pluto.
He would implicate that he was meant to abduct me etc.
It was ridiculously funny.

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posted September 29, 2013 05:13 PM            

I also think it can be dangerous with too pessimistic forums where people write some really bad stuff about certain placements/aspects/signs, which can make the strongest person insecure about themselves if they got those aspects...

In that way astrology can be bad for people who suffer from low self confidence if they got certain aspects, and to begin with they might also got a low self confidence BECAUSE of those aspects, but being aware of it too, makes them feel really hopeless even more...
If you are a cancer for an example and get interested in astrology the first thing you will learn about cancers is that they are probably the most boring and simple sign(no offense). Cancers are often very shy and introverted so they could probably relate to that, even if they aren't boring...
And if they also have some hard aspects and learn about them too they would probably feel more and more hopeless about themselves....you see where I'm going?

posted September 29, 2013 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I agree that it can be dangerous in the wrong hands. In the beginning where I learned about astrology I got really pessimistic about my future. And yes, it might destroyed some relationships back then, because I got scared if some people where for an example "the wrong sun sign", and then I didn't really trust them...

I also think it can be dangerous with too pessimistic forums where people write some really bad stuff about certain placements/aspects/signs, which can make the strongest person insecure about themselves if they got those aspects...

In that way astrology can be bad for people who suffer from low self confidence if they got certain aspects, and to begin with they might also got a low self confidence BECAUSE of those aspects, but being aware of it too, makes them feel really hopeless even more...
If you are a cancer for an example and get interested in astrology the first thing you will learn about cancers is that they are probably the most boring and simple sign(no offense). Cancers are often very shy and introverted so they could probably relate to that, even if they aren't boring...
And if they also have some hard aspects and learn about them too they would probably feel more and more hopeless about themselves....you see where I'm going?

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posted September 30, 2013 04:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Very good point. I understand completely. I guess that would describe the way I handle Astrology which is partly why I made this post in the first place. That same scenario has happened to time and time again and I have also used it to ruin quite a few of my relationships, unfortunately.

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Yes, and that is such a shame...but I think it is natural when you are still an amateur, then you don't know that there is much more... for an example I once dissed a guy just because he had a gemini venus, which I didn't thought was compatible with my scorpio venus... later I found out about synastry and found out we had some very good aspects.. but later again when I learned more about synastry I found out that his venus was actually the problem again, because it didn't made any aspect to my planets, and that was probably why I didn't felt anything for him in the end...

posted September 30, 2013 04:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
**** , I WISH I had used astrology to be discriminatory lol. Might have saved me a lot of heartache. lol. I guess I'm an optimist by nature so I would always think that any negative interpretations I would read just didn't apply to us or that a particular astrologer was too fatalistic or just inaccurate (kind of the way most people think about getting married).

No stopping fate/karmic lessons, way I see it. If you're meant to be with someone, you will be.

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Ooooh yeah, that is another really good point!! Cause we all know that astrology IS real, otherwise we probably wouldn't believe in it:P So the real heartache begins when you meet someone that you somehow already KNOW isn't good for you, but at the same time you don't wan't astrology to tell you what to do so you jump in, and then you of course find out that what astrology told you about this was true this time, and then you feel it is unnessesary the next time you meet someone again...
BUT! Remember that astrology can't tell you who you fit with or not...you have to keep living your life, cause no matter if this person was bad for you, they might gave you some really important experiences anyways, that you need for the next time...

posted September 30, 2013 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by blueskiez06:
its a tool like anything else, depends how and what you use it for, but in a way there is some truth to what you say, i wish i never knew astrology .... its mindblowing ....too much to handel, i wouldve prefered to have been a regular oblivious jo schmo

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posted September 30, 2013 09:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
I thought I was the only one that felt this way. I truly believe that discovering Astrology has been a blessing, but a curse. I blame my grandmother for her zodiac shower curtains, bed sheets, and pillow cases and I blame my father for heightening my curiosity when he chuckled one day and looked at me side-eyed when he told me I was a Scorpio. It all started that day.. BUT as I am getting older, I stopped putting TOO much faith in Astrology and I'm just starting to live my life and I hope for the best eve though it's scary as hell. I honestly use Astrology as a security blanket because I'm very insecure when it comes to my relationships and since I really don't know anything about Astrology, I have to stop doing that. I'm still confused when it comes to house placements and their rulers! I think I need a break from the subject for awhile.

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posted October 01, 2013 04:07 AM            

When i have a crush on a guy, i will try to guess if we have a love stellium in composite or not and i always guess right xD
Goes to show you how cool astro can be. I feel that it gives this certain sweetness/concern for the other's feelings at all times that isn't there with other placements. So that is how im able to tell. Without astrology i wouldve actually missed a lot of people who are meant to teach me something. I mightve called myself crazy for feeling obsessed about that guy i had double whammy venus-pluto aspects with, when in reality because astrology confirmed my feelings, i was able to see the experience as a good one and not feel like i was going crazy. In fact, i called him the crazy one for not liking me back xD
Or he did, but didn't seem to want anything serious.
My friend thinks i grew obsessed with him because i knew about our astrology together....but i was obsessed with him for a week with no internet at the camp where we met in the mountains. So she's obviously wrong : P

People that i had forgotten about, like my best friend from elementary, i now think about often because well she was born the same date as him, and i noticed she has the exact same fashion sense as me as well as a lot of my facial expressions and same bodytype. I remembered when we were friends people used to confuse us from behind. She has helped me develop my own identity better since it seems like she reflects it back on me. If i had forgotten all about her i wouldnt have learned all these things.

Also astrology made me see that most of my crushes as well as best friends had repeat birthdates or born max 2 days apart from another crush or best friend. Female best friends always became crushes when i met a male born near that birthdate.

posted October 01, 2013 04:09 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Ooooh yeah, that is another really good point!! Cause we all know that astrology IS real, otherwise we probably wouldn't believe in it:P So the real heartache begins when you meet someone that you somehow already KNOW isn't good for you, but at the same time you don't wan't astrology to tell you what to do so you jump in, and then you of course find out that what astrology told you about this was true this time, and then you feel it is unnessesary the next time you meet someone again...
BUT! Remember that astrology can't tell you who you fit with or not...you have to keep living your life, cause no matter if this person was bad for you, they might gave you some really important experiences anyways, that you need for the next time...

I also think astrology is REALLY complicated, so it is kinda dangerous to make fast conclusions about anything...

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posted October 01, 2013 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
so true. just because someone will be bad for you doesnt mean they wont also be incredibly good for you in other ways. such is the life of a natal venus square plutonian. lol...

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Yes and there could be some progressed aspect or transits to your natal chart that could indicate it all, who knows...

posted October 01, 2013 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by blueskiez06:
its a tool like anything else, depends how and what you use it for, but in a way there is some truth to what you say, i wish i never knew astrology .... its mindblowing ....too much to handel, i wouldve prefered to have been a regular oblivious jo schmo

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posted October 01, 2013 09:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Astrology is dangerous because it can influence your mind to look at your relationships and people in a negative light based off of their aspects and/or sign placements when in actuality, a lot of people who study and use astrology, have no real educational background on such an in depth subject which makes their findings a small piece of person's character or not an accurate description at all. This false information will then create imaginary false character flaws and situations within their relationships and the people in their lives. Astrology can ruin relationships instead of strengthen them if you're not careful. Most of the time, there's no birth time to do an accurate chart analysis and even if there is, unless you go to an educated astrology and get an actual reading done, everything might not be accurate. You also have to take into account that everyone is different and have different backgrounds which plays a major role in someone's personality and upbringing. Also, different people have different morals and values despite what a certain aspect or Venus placement might suggest about their personality. Astrology doesn't factor in free will. What do you guys think?

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posted October 01, 2013 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Astrology takes a certain amount of intuition to be successful at, especially when you get into erecting charts or reading Horary, predictive methods - like Tarot, it's a talent and not everybody has it.

I can see how it's an art, a science, and a religion - but science tends to be proven. Non-believers of Astrology tend to reject it because they don't understand, which is very similar to why they reject religion. There is choice in religion, there is no choice in science because it is fact.

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