posted October 26, 2013 12:10 PM            

I usually start off my work relationship with supervisors pleasantly. This, of course is how most relationships begin, by presenting a mild, helpful side. Both parties may even be a little self-effacing and walk lightly on accommodating feet while seeing what makes the other tick.

Once this has happened, the employee feels more comfortable and dines to take on more responsibility with less supervision. This will be met with acceptance, maybe even encouragement from Supervisor…at first.
Among other reasons, the drive to attain a managerial position is based on these folk's need to manage and organize their immediate environment. There’s not a thing wrong with this, but, some folks want the impossible, at least for me, and that is a clone. I may have a certain way of performing my job duties that differ exactly from other people. My philosophy is this: as long as it is completed in a timely manner and is done correctly without disrupting the progress of another’s task, let me do it. If Supervisor wants things done exactly the way they do it without deviation, then my position will not be a lasting one. I also feel almost sorry for them considering we are living in the year 2013 not 3013, which will mean a long wait before cloning will be a wide spread acceptable practice.

Seriously, though, the work environment would be a better, more productive place when there are compromises on both sides. As long as my attendance is good, I arrive on time, and treat others with respect, let me be who I am without standing around, prodding me to get something done just to exert control because you’re feeling threatened or vulnerable for some reason.
When future employers first meet me, they see and feel the pleasant aspects of my chart: the Pluto trine Jupiter, both trining MC, Saturn sextiling Mars, etc.. Then, they begin to sense the Pluto/2nd square Saturn/10th, and begin to feel…uncomfortable, as if they need to secure their already secured position. And it doesn’t matter how nice the person is, the story is the same and unfolds in similar fashion. I then begin to feel uncomfortable and tap into my Neptune conjunct Venus/4th house opposite MC out of a need to feel secure, and start dreaming of earning a living in a more pleasant environment where I don’t have to construct a defense. It’s ridiculous, because I feel sorry for these people. Unless it’s your own business, you still have to answer to another person or persons. And the bigger the company the shorter the leash. So, your supervisor will feel constricted because the regional manager feels restricted…there’s just too much fear of saying and doing the wrong thing, that even when I get home, it takes me a while to unwind and actually breathe.

Eventually, my 4th house North Node says, “This is happening to push you to be a self-made person. In Western astrology the ruler of NN is in the 10th with 10th ruler in 3rd (Mercury). In Vedic the NN ruler is in the sign who's ruler sits in the tenth, with 10th ruler (Venus) residing in the fourth. Either way, there are things you want to accomplish that can be done from home (writing and real estate). See this time in your life as temporary, don’t make waves, and start working on your goals.” It’s so exhausting walking the tight rope. Don’t even get me started on pipe-kissing coworkers…lol.

Although Pavlina’s writings have created some controversy, here’s the perfect article that represents, at least 95% of the way I feel about working for others. It may give you a chuckle
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/07/10-reasons-you-should-never-get-a-job/

Read his April Fool’s joke some people actually took seriously.
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2011/04/help-wanted/

posted October 26, 2013 10:53 PM            

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Originally posted by starr33:

My philosophy is this: as long as it is completed in a timely manner and is done correctly without disrupting the progress of another’s task, let me do it. If Supervisor wants things done exactly the way they do it without deviation, then my position will not be a lasting one. I also feel almost sorry for them considering we are living in the year 2013 not 3013, which will mean a long wait before cloning will be a wide spread acceptable practice.

Seriously, though, the work environment would be a better, more productive place when there are compromises on both sides. As long as my attendance is good, I arrive on time, and treat others with respect, let me be who I am without standing around, prodding me to get something done just to exert control because you’re feeling threatened or vulnerable for some reason.

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LMAO....the clone joke is great. You express yourself very eloquently which shows me you are a very capable employee and you are a 100% right on your philosophy. The sad truth is that there are lot of bad supervisors out there and you should probably be replacing them.

This rigidity that a lot of supervisors have resulting in them acting in ways that show they are threatened by you instead of them encouraging you to continue to flower shows very poor leadership skills from their part..it becomes something about them, a power struggle instead of about creating and maintaining a good work environment, encouraging personal growth in those they supervise and in treating others as equals.

There are a lot of supervisors on power trips that are not very effective at their job and have poor leadership skills. You sound like someone who would be good at supervising. If you have NN in the 10th you must be great at the responsibilities you undertake but if you combine that with saturn in the 10th is obvious your career will be the main focus in your life and you have a long way to go but I think you will eventually achieve the success you deserve and dream off. Perhaps you should start your own business.

Follow your instincts...dissatisfaction is a way of your higher self letting you know you need to change direction. Right now you are at a cross road and need to figure out what your next move will be but I feel your destiny is eventually to succeed by working hard for a business you create and build up from the ground yourself, something you can be proud of. I dont see how you will fail, I think you have a calling to do this. You have to now do some soul searching to figure out what type of business you want to create and run and how do you want to contribute to society.

I know you can do it, north node in the 10th is ambitious, very hard working and perfectionistic but saturn in the 10th wants to teach you a few things first. Perhaps you should start your own company, you can even work from home at first but maybe it would be a good idea to wait until your first saturn return although based on the maturity of how you carry yourself perhaps that already took place.

posted October 27, 2013 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Cynnared:
With Pluto doing a deep clean to my Sun in Aries, I'm seeing many hidden aspects come to light......

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transit uranus over sun/moon was just a massive, unavoidable shake up... really tumultuous. gotta embrace the change (not a taurus mars/nn speciality) but eventually freeing, and became my own boss.

posted October 27, 2013 09:33 AM            

Rightly put. If they want their career to be about them (like I do, lol) wouldn’t it be more fitting to pursue more creative, self-expressing endeavors?

There are a lot of supervisors on power trips that are not very effective at their job and have poor leadership skills. You sound like someone who would be good at supervising. If you have NN in the 10th you must be great at the responsibilities you undertake but if you combine that with saturn in the 10th is obvious your career will be the main focus in your life and you have a long way to go but I think you will eventually achieve the success you deserve and dream off. Perhaps you should start your own business.

Thank you for your confidence in me. Although I have absolutely no desire to have subordinates, unless I contract with a researcher for a writing project. But that wouldn’t really be an employee, and hopefully this can be done remotely.
I actually have my north node in the 4th with its ruler in the tenth in western astrology. I only wish to govern myself. I think in other lives I was a supervisor or even owner of a business and possibly didn’t see my employees, slaves, indentured servant, staff as individuals. I won’t know until I do some regression therapy. I keep putting it off…

I know you can do it, north node in the 10th is ambitious, very hard working and perfectionistic but saturn in the 10th wants to teach you a few things first. Perhaps you should start your own company, you can even work from home at first but maybe it would be a good idea to wait until your first saturn return although based on the maturity of how you carry yourself perhaps that already took place.

posted October 27, 2013 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by starr33:
My goal is to be a Novelist, where it’s obvious I will be working from home.

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Just pointing this out in case it hasn't occured to you:
http://freethoughtb logs.com/greta/2012/09/28/self-publishing-versus-conventional-publishing-5-big-advantages-of-diy-publishing-and-5-reasons-to-reconsider/

(Some of the comments add additional points to consider on the self-publishing vs. conventional publishing, too.)

I point it out because most publishers are control freaks with what I call a "McDonald's Policy" of churning out the same formula that seems to work so that it's hard for something fresh to hit the shelves. (There have been some disturbing experiments authors have done that show a lot of publishers won't even read the ending or such before rejecting it.)