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Ceridwen
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posted October 16, 2013 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
continue the sentence.

Or if not, I will share my thoughts later on.

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posted October 16, 2013 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, you know all about my take on this, but I'll elaborate anyway for the sake of the thread .

The three traditionally 'romantic' houses are the 5th house (rules falling in love, romantic sparks, and courtship), the 7th house (marriage, affection, and the feeling we've found our long-term mate), and the 8th house (rules intimacy, the private bond, and how our lives become entwined with our partners emotionally, physically financially).

But in our charts we also have 'secondary' 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. These are the houses traditionally ruled by the signs on the cusp of our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses.

Using myself as an example, my 5th house cusp is Aries. Aries rules the 1st house. So my secondary 5th house is the 1st house. Synastry in the 1st house will have a 5th house echo/vibe to it for me, along with it's usual meaning.

My 7th house cusp is Gemini. Gemini rules the 3rd house. So my secondary 7th house is the 3rd house. Synastry in the 3rd house has a 7th house echo/vibe to it for me, along with it's usually meaning.

My 8th house cusp is Cancer. Cancer rules the 4th house. So my secondary 8th house is the 4th house. Synastry in the 4th house has a 8th house echo/vibe to it for me, along with it's usually meaning.

Apart from synastry analysis, the secondary 5th, 7th, and 8th houses can be used to elaborate on the qualities and traits we are attracted to.

I've noticed a similar phenomenon involving the 'secondary' houses of Venus for men, and Mars for women.

Here's what I mean...

If a girl has Mars in Gemini, she may find men who resemble the symbolism of her 3rd house (puts placements in her 3rd house) attractive because they bring her the communication she craves from the suitors in her life.

If a Man has Venus in Taurus, he may find women who resemble the symbolism his 2nd house (puts placements in his 2nd house) attractive because they bring him the security, and sense of worth, that he craves from the women in his life.

I've noticed this type of attraction seems to happen much more with the secondary houses of Venus and Mars, the those of the Sun and the Moon. Maybe that's because Venus and Mars are specifically more 'romantic' then the Sun and the Moon. Symbolically, Venus is the beautiful young women, while Mars is the dashing young man.

Another way I could see a house becoming 'romantic' is if the rulers of the 5th, 7th, or 8th houses fall into that house. For instance, if your 7th house ruler is in the 12th house, you might find 12th house situations 'romantic' so to speak.

I'm curious ceri, do you have anything more to add?

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posted October 16, 2013 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The planet in them is 'romantic' ? Ruling a romantic house in their natal, for example?

I'd say because my costar's Moon is conjunct his Eros in the 5H, that it's going to carry weight anywhere it lands. (Yes, it so happens to be my 8H - but that's neither here nor there ... here.)

His is a little different.

My Moon falls in his 12H. Natally, it's conjunct my Uranus in Scorpio, and Mars in 0° Sag - so the whole gang's there. Now, they're in my 3H, and Uranus rules my 6H - pretty unromantic thus far. However, that Mars is still there, and Aries is my 8H - as we know. So, even though my stellium is in his 12H, it's got a pretty fierce Mars there: carrying both a Plutonian kick as well as a bit of Jupiterian zest.

But it's the 12H - so who the hell knows, right?

Let's look at his Cancer Sun. It's in my 11H. A pretty straightforward spot for friendship. Maybe. I mean, there's been an undeniable sense of camaraderie since the beginning.

But his Sun is in his 8H, and, being Cancer, if we trace it back, we get his Moon in Aries, again. So, that's intriguing. He's also natally got Valentine parallel, so there's something of a romantic undercurrent or vibe to his Sun in any respect. (It's also trine my Sun, and conjunct my Psyche, which is rather nice.)

Again, intriguing.

My Sun, Libra, is in the 2H conjunct Pluto. It's in his 10H. Again, not a romantic - but a significant - placement. Definitely jives with us, given our working together in the TV / film industry.

Speaking of, it's sextile Neptune, almost exactly; in my 4H, sure, but it rules my 7H. So anything that hits my Sun is going to get touched by that tinge of glamour, ineffability, psychism, and potential illusion. I'm also going to no doubt be evaluating their partnership-potential - exactly how or why's better shown by other details. They may also feel familiar to me, since it's the 4H.

That all of this 'congeals' in his 10H doesn't surprise me. Soon after I met him, I thought: okay, I am going to make you a star, damn it. Heh!

He obviously has no trifle with this; his Venus is in Leo, tightly trine my Neptune, and sextile my Pluto. Since it harkens back to hIs Sun, we've got that 8H / Cancerian vibe going on, too. It's sextile his Mars, and trine his Moon, so, there's nice interconnectivity.

But what about his Mars?

It's that powerhouse aspect with the conjunction to Pluto. But it's also in my 2H. It definitely lends itself to his feeling a bit possessive of me at times, but outside of that? What a waste for such an intense conjunction to get locked away in a boring ol' place like the 2H!

So, his Mars is in Libra, tightly conjunct my Sun - and we know what my Sun's about. Being that the sign is Libra, it's got an affinity relationship to his Venus in Leo - in his 9H. That's not too exciting. However, Mars rules his 5H - where his Moon and Eros are. So it's definitely a dashing, romantic Mars: gentlemanly, a bit theatrical and quietly erotic. Yeah, I can attest to that.

But still: the 2H.

Well, what's up with my 2H anyway? It's a BIG house for me, holding my romantic and slightly dreamy, very imaginative, Sun - and powerful Pluto.

My Sun rules my 12H, and, being in Libra, my Venus is in Virgo there. So my Sun also has a lot of karma attached to it. There's all of this romanticism going on, but just under the surface there's the longing for satisfying what's unresolved - and clearing karma.

Since it is a Venus house, however, that naturally lends a touch of romance, aesthetics, and companionship to the mix. The fact it's in Virgo is what takes things to a more pragmatic rather than ardently impulsive level. But it's also kind of locked away in the 12H.

Does this mean the Mars-Pluto is being muted into something that's being rerouted and locked away into the 12H? Hmm. That may take closer analysis.

As it's his Mars, but my Pluto, we could look at the fact it rules my 3H. There's a lot there, too, including my Eros. So who knows, really?

If it's about my 2H being 'romanticised' or not, I suppose we could say that's questionable. Does Venus ruling do this by default - or is it negated if Venus falls into a house such as the 12H - decidedly unromantic?

I like my 2H, actually. But I can't decide if it's a 'romantic' house in my chart or not.

I will say his Pluto conjoins my Venus. So there's that.

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posted October 16, 2013 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahh, right! I forgot that's what they're called, Lotis.

So, my secondary 5H (Capricorn) is my MC? My secondary 7H (Pisces) is actually my 12H? And, my secondary 8H (Aries) is my 1H?

Am I getting that right? It's pretty late here, heh.

So the fact my 2H is Venus-ruled (as well as my 9H) have no effect then.

Huh. His would be ... Aries, (5H) and thus, as you said, 1H. Then 3H / 7H, and 4H / 8H. That's interesting.

So, his 3H / 9H are rather massive. Aquarius and Pisces practically both sandwiched in there. I guess that signifies Uranus and Neptune. I can see that.

His 4H being 29° Pisces, then makes Neptune have an 8H flavour. Got it. Oh, just realised I flubbed on the MC; it's Libra that's his 11H. Ah, well. His MC is actually Virgo and thus Mercury (Cancer) ruled. Which is in his 8H. Heh.

Secondaries. Forgot about secondaries.

My TF's are also Gemini 5H = 3H; Leo 7H = 5H; and Virgo 8H = 6H? Well, that's interesting. I know that if his Mercury is THAT prominent, it makes sense. We have a lot of Merc-ties.

Or do you not use the rulers? Seems you would.

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posted October 16, 2013 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven`t yet read your answers, but I know they will be profound, as usually when it comes for the two of you.


What I have been thinking of was

- relationship planets in the unromantic houses (like Venus for example).

- the rulers of 4th, 5th, 7th and 8th house in a so-called unromantic house.


Let me pick myself as an example

The ruler of the 8th house is in my 2nd house; people who put something into my 2nd house will attract me (and vice versa actually; it always astounds me that especially Aquarius-people seem to have a natural draw to me; Aquarius makes up almost all of my 2nd house; the other sign that I usually get attention from easily is Sagittarius, which is in my 1st house, but also attached to a romantic houseruler, the rulers of my 7th house in Sag in 1st house).


Anyway, so why 2nd house placements?

In short, the fact that I have the rulers of 8th house and 2nd house in mutual housereception, shows how inseparable these two, are.
There comes a sense of emotional insecurity with it and doubts about self-worth. (because they are exactly quinkunx each other, and they are Moon and Saturn - always some sort of worries, anxieties attached to these, too, in a tensed aspect)
To be able to relate intimately to someone else (ruler of 8th house), I need to first feel safe (2nd house ruler).

People who put something into my 2nd house, I am especially thinking of Venus and Jupiter here, as these were the planets that came up most often in a first checkup, seem to give me a sense of securuity.

Or expressed differently, through their presence I feel valued and appreciated (even if that might be just my perception and not necessarily their intention. lol), which makes it feel safe for me to open up. Which in turn is the neccessary condition on which I can allow a closer relationship.

Something like that at least.


for others overlays in 2nd house might be totally boring and unneccessary, but through the connection witht eh 8th house in my chart, they receive more importance in terms of relating to someone else.

Oh and also, my 2nd house is my secondary 5th house, as my 5th house is in Taurus and this is associated with the 2nd house anyway.

The same happens in terms of my 7th house ruler, being in 1st house. So 1st and 2nd house for me and overlays are very romantic and hot (in terms of the 2nd house).
As are planets in Sagittarius and Capricorn (Aquarius not so much interestingly).

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posted October 16, 2013 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

My TF's are also Gemini 5H = 3H; Leo 7H = 5H; and Virgo 8H = 6H? Well, that's interesting. I know that if his Mercury is THAT prominent, it makes sense. We have a lot of Merc-ties.

Or do you not use the rulers? Seems you would.


Yes, I use rulers.

House ruler synastry is a really BIG producer of chemistry. Conjunctions are the strongest, but other aspects work too. Like someone's 5th house ruler trine your 8th house ruler, or someone's 7th house ruler opposite you Venus. Aspects like this, involving the 5th, 7th,and 8th house rulers to other people's 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers, or their personal placemnets (Asc/Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars) are amazing for chemistry.

And yes, TF's secondary 8th house would be the 6th house if Virgo were on the 8th.

You did a big analysis of your co-worker, are you two an item? Or do you just sense some attraction?

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posted October 16, 2013 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
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I'm curious ceri, do you have anything more to add?


No, not really.

You know we are on the same page when it comes to the houses in synastry.

Maybe just, that it seems that often there will be an accumulative effect.

For example.
A guy has the ruler of 5th house in 10th house, and his Venus is in Capricorn, so associated with the 10th house.

There will be a natural draw to those putting planets into his 10th house, especially in tight aspect to some of his personal planets.

Reason for this might be simply that he needs to be creative (5th house) and his creativity becomes a vehicle of a public Self-validation or image. it is important that he manifests very visibly what he is enthusiastic about, and his calling will be very close to his heart, shaping his identity.

now someone with nice planets in his 10th house, like Venus for example, might reflect back to him an appreciation of his work, his public standing, and since this is so important to him, he might feel quite validated through this.
And of course he probably would only be drawn romantically or erotically (5th house) to those who have a bit of a "standing" and are goaloriented (like he is himself).
No dreamers floating in the wind probably. lol

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posted October 16, 2013 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

I like my 2H, actually. But I can't decide if it's a 'romantic' house in my chart or not.


Your 2nd house is at least an very important house, in terms of identity at least. It is so on itself, but even more so in your case, because the ruler is on your ASC.

however, I think it doesnīt end there.

We see his Mars conjunct your Sun and Pluto in your 2nd house.
Mars, is the projected ruler of your 8th house, so you are meeting your 8th house ruler in the form of him, right in your frontyard in your 2nd house.

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posted October 16, 2013 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, not really.

You know we are on the same page when it comes to the houses in synastry.

Maybe just, that it seems that often there will be an accumulative effect.

For example.
A guy has the ruler of 5th house in 10th house, and his Venus is in Capricorn, so associated with the 10th house.


Actually, you just got me thinking! Okay, so we always look at where the 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers are, but the planets actually in the 5th, 7th, and 8th house rule houses as well, and could be like ambassadors from those houses.

Perhaps they function like foreign diplomats come to invite you to their realm.

Ceri, it's like Saturn, your 2nd house ruler, has come to your 8th house and said "come to my place, I can hook you up with the security you need to deeply open to others".

In my case, I've got Jupiter, my 1st house ruler, in the 7th house. And as you know I love 1st house synastry, especially from Sagittarius planets.

There are several things in my chart that indicate this though, and like with you, the whole thing kind of goes around in circles. The fact that I've got Jupier in the 7th house itself indicates a Sagittarius attraction, as does my Dsc ruler Mercury in Sag. Plus the fact that the 1st house is also my secondary 5th house (Aries on the 5th).

But I am starting to get curious about the 'rulers in houses' thing.

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posted October 16, 2013 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
and could be like ambassadors from those houses.

Perhaps they function like foreign diplomats come to invite you to their realm.




yes, I always list them in my "relating profiles", too.

Planets located in 5th, 7th and 8th house will always also play a role here.

For example, I found it pretty interesting when I saw in the synastry my Saturn squaring his Pluto, quite wide (4 degrees), and semi-generational, but something about it vibed "differently" than it usually does with that aspect for me.

Looking a bit closer:

my Saturn (ruler of my 2nd house) is in my 8th house and conjunct HIS 5th house cusp (I feel I should apologize about that I REALLY donīt want to be a wet blanket! I am just careful, you know?)

his Pluto (ruler of his 8th house) is in his 7th house and my 10th house.


This aspect alone, starts telling a story, with my 2nd and his 8th house ruler being square to each other, my Saturn in his 5th house. His Pluto in his 7th house.

does anyone else get the notion like this gentleman is simply a tad "too much", which makes my Saturn goes right into panick mode "Let`s freeze and thwart his 5th house then!"

Well, it does not end there as my 8th house ruler Moon is trine his Pluto (though does it from his 12th house. lol).

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posted October 16, 2013 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm

My 8th house ruler Saturn in Aqua sextile Venus in my 11th
- first sexual encounter and last... well until we break up or something.

8th house ruler Moon in my 2nd house square my Mars in the 4th.

Venus in the 11th square my Neptune/uranus in the 8th

I guess these are examples of how planets in non romantic houses can be intense.

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posted October 16, 2013 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kero,

what house does Venus rule?

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posted October 16, 2013 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leocassandra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if you have personal planet in them?

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posted October 16, 2013 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I've found this theory to work in my case too.

Back in high school, I was very infatuated with a friend of mine. He was my first (huge) crush and he stirred up a lot of 5th housey feelings in me, though he had nothing in my 5th house and no planets aspecting my 5th house ruler either (except for a loose trine from his Venus).

BUT,
he put his Venus & Moon in my 9th house, which isn't traditionally considered an attraction house, but for me it is because its my secondary 5th house.
(My 5th house cusp is in Sagittarius).

It was unrequited though, he didn't feel the same way.

Another example:

My 2nd house cusp is in Virgo and I've always found myself deeply attracted to those (well, one guy in particular) with prominent Virgo placements.

He feels like the most natural fit for me, like a pair of comfy, cozy familiar socks. LOL sorry for the gross example; couldn't think of anything else on how to describe the feeling
But I am sure you know what I'm talking about
The attraction and feelings I have for him are effortless and come with ease, it feels as though we're a natural/perfect match and complement each other at the same time.

He has no planets my 7th to generate these feelings, except for his Vertex conjunct my Desc but that alone wouldn't account for much, as its not a personal planet/point of his to define his personal energy and attract me in that kind of way.
He would be the one to most likely feel it as its his Vertex that's being activated.

He does aspect my 7th house ruler though, but softly, nothing major happening to explain the strong bond I feel with him.
Just trines from his Moon/Mars and a very wide square from his Venus (5°), but that's still not enough, in my opinion, to explain my feelings.

But if I look at my secondary 7th house ruler (Mercury), its in Virgo and it falls in my 2nd house, therefore making it a part of my "relationship/attraction profile".
So those who put planets in my 2nd will generate 7th house feelings in me, and he puts his Sun, Moon, Mars and Asc in there lol!

He also puts his Venus & Mercury in my Libra 3rd house, which becomes another attraction/romance house for me due to my own Venus being in there.
Aditionally, the 3rd house is naturally ruled by Mercury, and my Mercury is the ruler of my secondary Desc (11th house in Gemini).

No wonder I am so captivated by him!


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posted October 16, 2013 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I haven`t yet read your answers, but I know they will be profound, as usually when it comes for the two of you.

Aww.

quote:

What I have been thinking of was

- relationship planets in the unromantic houses (like Venus for example).

- the rulers of 4th, 5th, 7th and 8th house in a so-called unromantic house.


Huzzah! I get a biscuit! ... I think.

I like adding 4H into the mix, too. You've really reaffirmed for me how intimate of a house that is, relating to midnight and all; the IC.

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posted October 16, 2013 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Your 2nd house is at least an very important house, in terms of identity at least. It is so on itself, but even more so in your case, because the ruler is on your ASC.

however, I think it doesnīt end there.

We see his Mars conjunct your Sun and Pluto in your 2nd house.
Mars, is the projected ruler of your 8th house, so you are meeting your 8th house ruler in the form of him, right in your frontyard in your 2nd house.


Ohhhhh, yeah. That's definitely spot-on. No wonder it was a bit daunting at first. I certainly hadn't asked for it! ... At first!

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posted October 16, 2013 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Yes, I've found this theory to work in my case too.

Back in high school, I was very infatuated with a friend of mine. He was my first (huge) crush and he stirred up a lot of 5th housey feelings in me, though he had nothing in my 5th house and no planets aspecting my 5th house ruler either (except for a loose trine from his Venus).

BUT,
he put his Venus & Moon in my 9th house, which isn't traditionally considered an attraction house, but for me it is, because its my secondary 5th house ruler.
My 5th house cusp is in Sagittarius.

It was unrequited though, he didn't feel the same way.


Another example:
My 2nd house cusp is in Virgo and I've always found myself deeply attracted to those (well, one guy in particular) with prominent Virgo placements.

He feels like the most natural fit for me, like a pair of comfy, cozy familiar socks. LOL sorry for the gross example; couldn't think of anything else on how to describe the feeling
But I am sure you know what I'm talking about
The attraction and feelings I have for him are effortless and come with ease, it feels as though we're a natural/perfect match and complement each other at the same time.

He has no planets my 7th to generate these feelings, except for his Vertex conjunct my Desc but that wouldn't account for much as its not a personal planet/point of his to define his personal energy and attract me in that kind of way.
He would be the one to most likely feel it as its his Vertex being activated.

He does aspect my 7th house ruler though, but softly, nothing major happening to explain the strong bond I feel with him.
Just trines from his Moon/Mars and a very wide square from his Venus (5°), but that's still not enough in my opinion to explain my feelings.

But if I look at my secondary 7th house ruler (Mercury), its in Virgo and it falls in my 2nd house, therefore making it a part of my "relationship/attraction profile".
So those who put planets in my 2nd will generate 7th house feelings in me, and he puts his Sun, Moon, Mars and Asc in there lol!

He also puts his Venus & Mercury in my Libra 3rd house, which becomes another attraction/romance house for me due to my own Venus being in there.
Aditionally, the 3rd house is naturally ruled by Mercury, and my Mercury is the ruler of my secondary Desc (11th house in Gemini).

No wonder I am so captivated by him!


Hi LCS,

Nice post, I liked your examples of secondary 5th and 7th house attractions.

If I remember correctly your 7th house ruler is Uranus in Capricorn, and it's trine your Mercury in Virgo... 7th house ruler trine Mercury in the Earth element is another symbolic fit for a Virgo-like partner btw. Also, isn't your 7th house ruler in the 6th (Virgo) house? That's yet another indication of an attraction to Virgo-like partners. The house of the 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers can indicate traits your attracted to in others much like the sign there're in does (The house influence is a bit less intense then the sign influence, but still important).

Also, I wouldn't discount trines to the 7th house ruler. Especially if the aspect is tight, like under three degrees. These aspects can generate a lot of chemistry. As in, the person inspires feelings within you associated with the vibe of house ruled by the aspected planet.

This can happen even if the person doesn't match your 7th house or secondary 7th house symbolism. Although, it's more ideal if they do (have both a symbolic/sign match, as well as an aspect chemistry match with you). I'm just saying it's possible to get chemistry with people you wouldn't expect via these methods (5th, 7th, and 8th house ruler aspect chemistry).

The Trine is a smooth, flowing aspect that feels totally natural. The guy matching you as a partner like a 'comfortable pair of socks' is actually a pretty good description of a trine to the 7th house ruler. Lol!

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posted October 17, 2013 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lotis

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

If I remember correctly your 7th house ruler is Uranus in Capricorn, and it's trine your Mercury in Virgo... 7th house ruler trine Mercury in the Earth element is another symbolic fit for a Virgo-like partner btw. Also, isn't your 7th house ruler in the 6th (Virgo) house? That's yet another indication of an attraction to Virgo-like partners.

Oh yeah! I didn't think of those placements. It makes sense that they'd be responsible for my attraction to Virgo-energy as well. Thanks for pointing that out!

Now that I observed my placements deeper, I found that they all point to me being attracted to Piscean/12th house energy too, which is very fitting!

~ My 5th house ruler trines Saturn in Pisces
~ My 5th house ruler trines Moon/Mars in 12H
~ My Secondary 5th house ruler in 12H
~ My Desc ruler is conjunct Neptune
~ My Desc co-ruler (Saturn) is in Pisces (also trines Moon/Mars in 12H)
~ My Secondary Desc ruler trine Neptune
~ My 8th house cusp is in Pisces
~ My 8th house co-ruler conjuncts Moon/Mars in 12H
~ My Secondary 8th house ruler in 12H

So now this also adds the 12th house to my "attraction profile".

Mr. Virgo has his Desc in Pisces, Neptune trine Sun/Asc exact, with his Sun at the end of his 12th house.
Would these placements be strong enough for him to act/exude a Piscean type of energy? Because I can sure sense it lol.
He is very artistic, idealistic, dreamy, soft, sensitive, spiritual and compassionate, which makes me ~melt~ LOL.

But what I find interesting is that the Pisces guy is HEAVILY Piscean, with Sun, Mars & Saturn in Pisces, and Moon/Venus in the 12th house and the attraction I felt to him wasn't even as NEAR as what I feel towards Mr. Virgo and his impact on me.

But if I look to see how they each aspect my 12th house and my Secondary 12th house, it makes so much more sense as to why I admire Mr. Virgo guy's watery/Pisces traits more than the Pisces guy himself LOL.

12H aspects with Mr. Virgo:
His Jupiter conjunct my 12H ruler & 12H planets (Moon/Mars)
His Saturn/Neptune opposite my 12H ruler & 12H planets
His Mercury square my 12H ruler
His Pluto trine my 12H ruler
His Sun/Asc sextile my 12H ruler exact

His Pluto in my Secondary 12H (IC)
His Pluto conjunct my Secondary 12H ruler
His Jupiter trine my Secondary 12H ruler
His Sun/Asc/Saturn sextile my Secondary 12H ruler

12H aspects with Pisces guy:
His Venus square my 12H ruler
His Mars/Saturn trine my 12H ruler

His Venus quincunx my Secondary 12H ruler
His Mars/Saturn trine my Secondary 12H ruler
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Well I guess that explains a lot!
Lol

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posted October 17, 2013 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:

Also, I wouldn't discount trines to the 7th house ruler. Especially if the aspect is tight, like under three degrees. These aspects can generate a lot of chemistry. As in, the person inspires feelings within you associated with the vibe of house ruled by the aspected planet.

The Trine is a smooth, flowing aspect that feels totally natural. The guy matching you as a partner like a 'comfortable pair of socks' is actually a pretty good description of a trine to the 7th house ruler. Lol!



Lol interesting, I never really thought of it that way before...
I assumed that because the trines/sextiles were a subtle energy, they won't have as powerful of an impact or be felt much...I guess not then!

In that case I make a bunch of trines/sextiles to his attraction houses and rulers ~ I sure wouldn't mind it if I have an effect on him also

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

Here's what I mean...

If a girl has Mars in Gemini, she may find men who resemble the symbolism of her 3rd house (puts placements in her 3rd house) attractive because they bring her the communication she craves from the suitors in her life.

If a Man has Venus in Taurus, he may find women who resemble the symbolism his 2nd house (puts placements in his 2nd house) attractive because they bring him the security, and sense of worth, that he craves from the women in his life.



If you say so...

I have got Mars in Gemini. My third house is Scorpio. I LOVE Scorpio Mars men.. And tend to attract them!!!

My sm has his Venus in Pisces. My Mars falls in his 12th house!

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posted October 17, 2013 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... you form romantic aspects with each other.

Think about if, if I have Valentine, Eros, Amor in the 6th house, and they are nicely aspected in my own chart by Venus and Moon... Anyone having their AC or personal planets there are going to erupt more feelings than someone with the same elements on my other more empty houses.

And it wouldn't matter as much if your stellium falls on my 8th or 4th or 5th, if they form hard aspects with my chart elements that makes me want to run away.

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posted October 17, 2013 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Hi Lotis

Oh yeah! I didn't think of those placements. It makes sense that they'd be responsible for my attraction to Virgo-energy as well. Thanks for pointing that out!

Now that I observed my placements deeper, I found that they all point to me being attracted to Piscean/12th house energy too, which is very fitting!

~ My 5th house ruler trines Saturn in [b]Pisces
~ My 5th house ruler trines Moon/Mars in 12H
~ My Secondary 5th house ruler in 12H
~ My Desc ruler is conjunct Neptune
~ My Desc co-ruler (Saturn) is in Pisces (also trines Moon/Mars in 12H)
~ My Secondary Desc ruler trine Neptune
~ My 8th house cusp is in Pisces
~ My 8th house co-ruler conjuncts Moon/Mars in 12H
~ My Secondary 8th house ruler in 12H

So now this also adds the 12th house to my "attraction profile".

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Oh yeah, for sure. Your 12th house is your secondary 8th house because you've got Pisces on the 8th house cusp.

Saturn rules your 5th? I thought you had Sag on the 5th ruled by Jupiter in Scorpio (Lol, I remember charts better then names sometimes!).

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posted October 17, 2013 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selene:
If you say so...

I have got Mars in Gemini. My third house is Scorpio. I LOVE Scorpio Mars men.. And tend to attract them!!!

My sm has his Venus in Pisces. My Mars falls in his 12th house!


Woohoo! I love to see the proof in action. Yeah, this is the sort of thing I was talking about.

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posted October 17, 2013 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:

Lol interesting, I never really thought of it that way before...
I assumed that because the trines/sextiles were a subtle energy, they won't have as powerful of an impact or be felt much...I guess not then!

In that case I make a bunch of trines/sextiles to his attraction houses and rulers ~ I sure wouldn't mind it if I have an effect on him also


Hard aspects are like squeaky wheels, they make you stuff and fix something. They cause a big fuss.

Soft aspects are like the wheels that roll perfectly smoothy, and allow things to flow easily in our lives. We get to where we're going on time, and there's no big drama. Everything's fine.

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