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Topic: Sun/Saturn aspects-light at the end of the tunnel?
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Violets
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posted October 26, 2013 12:36 AM
  
I'll just add that my brother has the Saturn/Sun conjunction and although I know that his self-esteem holds him back at times, it also does seem as though he just can't get a break. He went through with his Master's degree, only to find that it's exceptionally difficult for him to find a job where he's at, and that there seem to be restrictions in every direction.What I notice as a reoccurring theme is that these hard aspects seem to carry a feeling of obligation to other people who will hold the Saturn person back. He's in a situation where his partner refuses to move anywhere outside of her home town (it's a big area, there are plenty of options, but his s/o insists on living basically next door to her parents), and that makes it very difficult for him to find work. So as a result, he feels frustrated and somewhat bitter about shelling out so much money for a degree, and seeing precious little results.
It doesn't help that his s/o seems to capitalize on his low self-esteem, and assumes a belittling attitude regarding what she seems to view as a failure on his part. Maybe I'm biased because he's my little brother, haha...but I don't think I am. Just noticing another trend with the hard Saturn aspects. The feeling of obligation to people who will hold the person back from being able to truly go out and overcome their personal obstacles. Again, I'm just sort of thinking out loud. I won't presume anything about anyone's personal life on here with hard Saturn/Sun aspects, but I'm finding the similarities interesting. Another thing that I've noticed is that people I know who have an unaspected Saturn will tend to take on obligations to others for no apparent reason, with no apparent ties. It may be enabling, or it may be very helpful, or it might even be at the cost of their own wellfare, but they seem to do this very naturally. Sorry to keep writing small novels on this thread, haha. I'm just finding it very interesting to look at from a personal perspective.
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Knowflake Posts: 332
From: The Strand
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 26, 2013 05:28 AM
Firemoon and Violets - Yes, totally agree that there is someone holding back the person with the aspect. I've already partly explained my life in a previous post.I feel my life has both been enabled and held back by my parents, particularly my mother and by the partner as well. Sorry my life story will come out now a bit more but I think it's necessary to discuss what has happened to see how aspects have worked out.
So sorry about the whinge but it sounds a lot like Violet's brother with another cloak.
One of my good friends is Sun conjunct Saturn in Cancer. She is quite reserved but still has more friends that what I do but significant social connections through her partner. Her partner definitely milks his friends (I hate people like that). I can't say that he holds her back though. Her parents didn't either except maybe they were too eminent and gave her a comfortable life rather than doing things for her, so she was a bit backward in some things (such as a getting a car licence). I think the conjunction is both better and worse that the other aspects. Saturn and Sun are both on the same spot fighting to get on the bus that leaves. There just needs to be a plan put in place to say who gets on first. Because they are on the same sign and house though, they can at least direct their powers in the Same direction. In relation to help - yes, there is a sense of worry debt being needed to pay off if you ask for it but I also find that the help that you request will also be inferior to the quality of your work. Again, it's not an issue of perfectionism, it's just that your Saturn is so practiced at your task (if you use it a lot and it dominates your sun), that you are just better getting better results than others. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 332
From: The Strand
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 26, 2013 05:40 AM
Fire moon - I also think that you NN in Cap is telling you that you need some structure and you need authority or status somehow. By this I mean being your own solitary boss, ie being independent of others to achieve what you need for yourself both in your personal and private life and work. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 332
From: The Strand
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 26, 2013 05:52 AM
Great description - pretty much a combination of everyone's posts here:
http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/sun-conjunct-square-oppos ite-saturn.html#.UmuPpzIaySM And the extended version: http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/sun-saturn-aspects.html#.UmuQ-jIaySN (And yes my father was poor, old and the less dominating parent).
This blog has excellent descriptions on it, it's worth a look.
Also I was thinking that as the article stated, that we should get better with these aspects over time as we learn from trial and error but as we get older, we become more like Saturn ourselves and are able to guide it so it shouldn't affect our suns so much. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
Knowflake Posts: 3445
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Registered: Aug 2012
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posted October 26, 2013 06:13 AM
Does it run in the family? Me and my brother have it, Violet and her brother have it. Aspects involving outer planets usually run in the family, that’s what I’ve noticed. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 332
From: The Strand
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 26, 2013 06:44 AM
anonymidarkness - I have no siblings but my father has the square. My mother has no Sun-Saturn aspects. My children don't have any aspects between Sun and Saturn, but one has Venus opposed Saturn and the other one has a very tight conjunction between Moon and Saturn.My cancer friend who has the conjunction has one brother and he does not have it but but he is Capricorn sun. I don't know her parents' birth dates. I do however think aspects like this run through families. Also, I was told many years ago that any hard aspects between sun and Saturn in a chart also may indicate a person may have fertility problems (no, but difficult pregnancies) and are only children (yes). IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted October 26, 2013 07:42 AM
Wow, 23. Thank you for sharing that. I will take a look at the links; a lot of the time, I notice that I gather more information from personal experiences or from learning things on here than I do from reading books or articles, hence my thinking out loud so much on this one, but I might save those links for reference.Anonymi, I have the trine but I suppose that carries its own odd energy, as Saturn and Sun don't seem particularly compatible. But it does allow me to accomplish things. Interestingly, no one else in my biological family has any Saturn/Sun aspects, although I've noticed either trine or square Moon come up a few times. But...now that you mention it, there do seem to be a lot of odd Saturn/Sun aspects in my husband's side of the family. His brother has the opposition, his mom's is unaspected, and his daughter has the conjunction. Oddly, his Sun and Saturn don't make any aspects to each other, but his Saturn is square both my Sun and Moon.  IP: Logged |
Sven555
Knowflake Posts: 432
From: UK
Registered: Jul 2012
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posted October 26, 2013 09:09 AM
Would anyone be able to tell me what this aspect is like?Transit Saturn opposite Natal Sun Next year, Saturn progresses into late Scorpio and will oppose my Natal Sun in Taurus very tightly. Has anyone had experience of this aspect before?  IP: Logged |
anno_lucis
Knowflake Posts: 914
From: the atman
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted October 26, 2013 09:26 AM
^yea except saturn was in libra opposite my sun/moon in aries. got into a saturn-opposition saturn relationship with an older man. he also had saturn conj his sun in taurus! oh right on my nodal axis aswell. scary times and looking back i wonder what i was doing but up til recently i considered him the biggest love of my life. mehhh.it taught me some invaluable lessons.IP: Logged |
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