posted October 25, 2013 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I am not really sure what part you disagree with, Doux. Are you saying everyone can change, even those without a strong Pluto or Scorpio? Then why don't they?

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Like you said, look around - not everyone does it. And that includes Plutonians.

Actually, most Plutonians are the ones who wallow in negative patterns the most.
Why don't they change, if they're so powerful?

The whole "Plutonians are powerful and can change themselves / the world by sheer focus" thing is just an ego-boost.
It's like when people hear "Scorpio" and automatically assume things just because they read something.

posted October 25, 2013 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Like you said, look around - not everyone does it. And that includes Plutonians.

Actually, most Plutonians are the ones who wallow in negative patterns the most.
Why don't they change, if they're so powerful?

The whole "Plutonians are powerful and can change themselves / the world by sheer focus" thing is just an ego-boost.
It's like when people hear "Scorpio" and automatically assume things just because they read something.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: I choose to believe that we're all equal when it comes to our ability to change and evolve. That's all.

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Some people seem particularly good at manifesting what they want in their lives while others seem to get nowhere. I wonder if those that seem to have the midas touch in this area are, in fact, Plutonians in some way?

I have undergone transformation but I struggle to manifest what I want and Pluto isn't my strongest planet but it's not my weakest either, exactly. I think I have a 50/50 with Pluto. It works 50% of the time, lol.

posted October 25, 2013 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ Pluto in 1st are loners but Libra is a social sign so it is quite contradictory. Pluto in 1st and ruler of 1st in 1st gives Arian nature so it may be similar to planets in Aries opposing planets in Libra. If you can integrate their energy, it may be helpful.

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posted October 25, 2013 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Isn't that what's Scorpio and Pluto are all about? Changing through the usage of will? I thought that was the meaning of Pluto
It's obvious not everyone does it. Look around. People stay stuck in what they don't like or they make it worse for themselves by changing in ways that will not benefit them.

I am not really sure what part you disagree with, Doux. Are you saying everyone can change, even those without a strong Pluto or Scorpio? Then why don't they?

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Pluto isn’t about will or willpower per se. Will is a conscious thing.

Willpower as in "I want to achieve goal Y so I am going to throw my energy into it in this way" is a Mars thing and therefore a Scorpio thing. Whatever the self or ego (Sun) consciously identifies with the will has the power to push towards and achieve.

Pluto deals with the unconscious or hidden side of things and represents more of like the ability to bring things that people aren't aware of in themselves or others to the surface. Those unconscious or hidden things could very much be affecting peoples’ lives but if we’re not consciously aware of them the will can’t do anything about it.

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posted October 26, 2013 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
Before i begin this, let me say.. I'm high as ****
Yeah, they do work well together thats true, but when you have the Ascendant in Scorpio (natal;p) in a 2 orb conjunction with a Scorpio Jupiter & Scorpio Pluto (late degrees) creating a need to instinctively move towards power, depth, expansion & a search for knowledge within the body, self, personality & first impressions then with Mercury conjunct on the end in Sagittarius it creates a part of the mind thats like a home of eternal search, its difficult to describe but it likes a deep black space within of full expansive concentration & depth, the need to search for knowledge is powerfully strong and i have been on the subject of Astrology within my mind for the past 3 months atleast, digging into a black hole of unlimited depth for the real truth & meaning & purpose

I'v been trying to stay at a Draconic chart level consciousness, which i think is the chart within the node - Dragons head to decipher what i can from what it..
But what truly is the Node? Your Soul? Your connection to the past life? Your Brain? Your Subconscious? Your connection to the points of ecliptic in space? or a connection to a life source?

Having Pluto, Jupiter & Mercury conjunct the ascendant with the Sun at another 5 degrees later in Natal Scorpio/Sagittarius & Draconic Aries (1st house Aries stellium) I do tend to get quite obsessive with the self, overly so sometimes and the Aries Draconic makes me need to express every single thing that i feel or think to someone and impossible to keep it to myself, which is probably why i'm saying this now, lol

- This is a 'Rapper' (Masculine/aggressive poetry) called Tman, its not the sort of music i listen to (Well my Gemini moon/Pluto likes it) but what would be anyones guess on his chart?
Don't turn it off because of the vibe straight off, he's got a good flow
Im guessing a 3rd house Mercury & Mars in Gemini/Scorpio conjunction with Pluto aspecting Pisces somewhere as one?

Use your Pluto to look at him and not judge what he's wearing or the not so good vibe of the videos first impression

Skip to 1:23 if you don't want to watch it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzyNDudPj0M

- PlutoFish out

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Yeah, you definitely seem philosophical and in search of deep knowledge Pltofish