posted October 26, 2013 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Both. At the same time.

Maybe I am biased because I have a Pluto conjunct Saturn 1st house transit right now. But man does the combination of the taskmaster and the truth revealer hit you hard!

I think it really comes down to what energy you are used to in the chart, the house positions, and the type of transit/natal aspect.

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I think you nailed it!!

posted October 26, 2013 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
@Gabby, ya, my Pluto doesn't do much...the only planet it aspects is Jupiter, which it is conjunct. It does square my AC though! Orb of like 1 degree.

Oh yah I don't mean to say that the outer planets don't personally affect people! Of course they do! I guess what I meant is I think that what Pluto brings into your life, you can learn from it, it does affect you, all that, but that's more like...life happening compared to Saturn, who brings things into your life that are specific for you own spiritual or karmic growth. Ya feel!

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posted October 26, 2013 05:06 PM            

My Saturn transits are not all that difficult, I am effected by circumstances around me, therefore out of my control, I deal with it.

Pluto on the other hand has been devastating.
I am just not cut out for this type of energy, totally unequipped to deal with it.

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posted October 26, 2013 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Neptune? Maybe. But I think you need Saturn / Neptune for it to actually teach you anything, otherwise Neptune just gives you issues.

My vote goes to Saturn. Saturn hosts the lesson, and gives you the ability to learn and be done with each particular one (in whatever aspect it is). Pluto will change you, but that doesn't mean you learned your lesson and Pluto's change takes longer, but Saturn's effects last longer so it's kind of a toss up...but I'm partial to Saturn.

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Good point!! You are saying saturn aspects helps integrate the learning process that other planets are trying to teach you. Its the influence that helps you NOT repeat mistakes.

I think if I would have had a neptune/saturn aspect natally I would have learned my neptune lessons a lot sooner. I feel I had to go through my first saturn return to stop letting neptune disrupt my life or state of mind and influence my thinking so much. I had to become fully aware how neptune was affecting me negatively first in order to take control and start taking steps mentally to put a stop to it.

posted October 26, 2013 10:35 PM            

Saturn is all about integrating yourself into society and maturing, and while the lessons may be difficult at first, after you learn them they are enduring and become more routine. I say this after going through a saturn sq. moon transit and am currently going through a saturn conj. sun transit. It's gotten easier.

posted October 26, 2013 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
Pluto.

Saturn is all about integrating yourself into society and maturing, and while the lessons may be difficult at first, after you learn them they are enduring and become more routine. I say this after going through a saturn sq. moon transit and am currently going through a saturn conj. sun transit. It's gotten easier.

Pluto on the other hand, is unexpected. Instead of dealing with society and the inevitable part of growing up, it focuses on the very core essence of yourself. While saturn teaches you to take control of what you can, pluto insists that no matter what, there are certain aspects of life that lie out of your grasp. You are more vulnerable, more exposed, and once you think one cucle is over, you have to begin again.

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Wow, wonderful analysis and summery. Thank you.

posted October 26, 2013 11:39 PM            

Saturn adds and brings about stability. It builds up structure in one's life. (I went through a saturn opposite Sun transit a few years back).

posted October 27, 2013 01:56 AM            

So far my life is been pretty Saturnian, working working and more working.
I have cap north node too.
Yet do know how to have a lot of fun too many jupiter squares....
I know all the hard work will pay off.

I am Saturn's b*tch and exchange he'll give me all types of success when the time comes.

Pluto on the other hand will not reward you.
Actually your reward will be surviving and living to tell the story..
I don't have much pluto going in my chart either besides a measly Mars quincunx Pluto...
I've only had one major emotional trauma in my life so far and honestly it seems petty and common for most people.

posted October 27, 2013 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Wow, wonderful analysis and summery. Thank you.

Really hits home for me and I am sure for every one else.

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posted October 28, 2013 04:36 AM            

Neptune does not help you make wise decisions and makes inaction more tempting and inviting than achieving. It makes you a target bc it makes you a sucker and doesnt let you see clearly. It also makes you addicted to idealism which is dangerous bc you will not be happy with what you have and you will not want to work with what you got etc..