posted October 29, 2013 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
I've been feeling good all day, working on self-discipline and keeping everything organized etc - Then it's like BAM, i'll just start going in on my self, feeling useless and unpractical, not achieving anything tangible atall and the frustration is just unparamount.

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SInce when is the emotional, subconscious self supposed to be practical? Perhaps that's why a Cappy Moon is in its detriment.

posted October 29, 2013 09:34 PM            

It's probably in detriment because it's not a homely sign for the Moon, but having one i love it.
Where as the Water signs are said to be the best home but a Water Moon makes you so much more sensitive & easily hurt.. but then the intuition, insight, caring & spirituality that all come from a Water moon will be of another level ... But Capricorn Moons will move the earth for a loved one, there just not good with all the wishy-washy soft stuff...

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus
Moon in Capricorn
Venus in Scorpio
Mars in Leo

posted October 29, 2013 09:56 PM            

What good are emotions is you can't splatter your surroundings with them? Ok I exaggerate a bit...Cancer Moon. And actually I'm more of an emotional/psychic sponge (trine Neptune) and the emotional energy of others effects me strongly...for good and ill.

This is why Cap Moons frustrate me. It's as if nothing is there, when I know there IS something there.

posted October 29, 2013 10:06 PM            

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus
Moon in Capricorn
Venus in Scorpio
Mars in Leo
Jupiter in Scorpio
Saturn in Pisces

posted October 29, 2013 10:08 PM            

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Where as the Water signs are said to be the best home but a Water Moon makes you so much more sensitive & easily hurt.

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The Moon is only domicile in cancer, detriment in Scorpio and peregrine in Pisces. Taurus does better for the Moon than Pisces and Scorpio.

posted October 29, 2013 10:09 PM            

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus
Moon in Capricorn
Venus in Scorpio
Mars in Leo
Jupiter in Scorpio
Saturn in Pisces

posted October 29, 2013 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
The Moon is only domicile in cancer, detriment in Scorpio and peregrine in Pisces. Taurus does better for the Moon than Pisces and Scorpio.

I think the reason the Moon does so poorly in Capricorn is because it is ruled by Saturn. Saturn is concerned with structure, order. Saturn traditionally also rules Aquarius and it is there that it controls logic and reason. Combining all this, it goes against instinct, which is the Moon. Also, the Moon fluctuates and in Saturn sign, you are setting it a bit in stone.

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That is true, but is enables you to control your own instincts.

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus
Moon in Capricorn
Venus in Scorpio
Mars in Leo
Jupiter in Scorpio
Saturn in Pisces

posted October 29, 2013 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Honestly, I don't think Scorpio rising would give you staying power. An ascendant is simply a point, not an energy as a planet. What I would say is that Capricorn moon would give you some amount of persistence.

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What do you mean by staying power?
The ascendant marks the way you look at the world as whole, i have Pluto, Jupiter & Ixion conjunct it in Scorpio also.

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus
Moon in Capricorn
Venus in Scorpio
Mars in Leo
Jupiter in Scorpio
Saturn in Pisces

posted October 29, 2013 10:15 PM            

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That is true, but is enables you to control your own instincts.

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posted October 29, 2013 10:19 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
A psychologist /scientist would say that's a bad idea. If a lion is charging at me, for example, I would very like to have a strong fight/flight instinct.

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Haha
Yes, but your instincts would control you and you wouldn't be in control of the situation..
A Capricorn Moon would think of a plan of escape/attack

Personally i would give of a harmless energy and try to calm/sooth the Lion (In theory :laughing

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus (1st)
Moon in Capricorn (2nd)
Venus in Scorpio (11th)
Mars in Leo (9th)

posted October 29, 2013 10:21 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
It is the ruler's ascendant and the planets in the 1st that would carry the coronal abilities of the person. So you are right raising Pluto and Jupiter. As I am more of a traditional astrologer, I don't use this Ixion.

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Ixion is one the Plutonians (Pluto, Ixion & Orcus) that all are around Pluto's orb, all having similar effects of depth & transformation as transpersonal asteroids..

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus (1st)
Moon in Capricorn (2nd)
Venus in Scorpio (11th)
Mars in Leo (9th)

posted October 29, 2013 10:36 PM              

THUMBS UP! I'm a Taurus moon, trine Saturn in Capricorn at that. I get it. But thank sweet baby Thor, I've got my Aries placements or my blood pressure would probably be as bad as my dad's. The way Capricorn moons deal with emotions is just BAD. All around. They're afraid of losing self-control, but I also think it has to do with trusting that other people won't leave once they do. They don't trust other people's reactions to their OWN reactions and therefore would prefer not to show it AT ALL.

"I'll be working through the day feeling on top of the world then just fall right back down to the bottom at night…"

Because Capricorn moons LOVE work. They are GOOD at work. When they have nothing to concentrate on or organize or fix they get anxious because their OWN issues start to face them, and Capricorn moons would prefer not to deal with that. It's very ironic because they do this while expecting perfection of themselves at the same time.

"As a Capricorn Moon i don't know why you would want to, it shows no discipline, control or grounding "

posted October 29, 2013 10:37 PM              

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Originally posted by 23:
Honestly, I don't think Scorpio rising would give you staying power. An ascendant is simply a point, not an energy as a planet. What I would say is that Capricorn moon would give you some amount of persistence.

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posted October 29, 2013 10:42 PM            

I agree with what you're saying, do you have a Capricorn Moon yourself?

Of course life is also about humanity & connection, but that is not wholely what the moon is for, the Moon is your home at self.
I Would rather be in control of my emotions and be self-disciplined, using other parts of my chart to demonstrate compassionate & love.
I don't understand how you are saying it is selfish to not show others that part of you, it is selfish to think you can have it any different, as a Capricorn Moon thats how you instinctively work. You don't try to hide them, you just choose now to show them for good reasons.

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus (1st)
Moon in Capricorn (2nd)
Mercury in Sagittarius (1st)
Venus in Scorpio (11th)
Mars in Leo (9th)

posted October 29, 2013 10:46 PM            

With a Capricorn Moon you see the world as it really is, in reality terms, harsh things happen & good things happen, you need to do your best to get what you want in life .. That i would say is a good quote for Capricorn Moon.

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus (1st)
Moon in Capricorn (2nd)
Mercury in Sagittarius (1st)
Venus in Scorpio (11th)
Mars in Leo (9th)

posted October 29, 2013 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
That is true, but is enables you to control your own instincts.

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Why would you want to control your instincts??? Nothing could be more detrimental to survival...there's that word detriment again.

Emotion is really just the tip of the iceberg...the Moon is really the sub/unconscious.

It's the mother...and latching onto the mother's breast...falling asleep...and dreaming...not a place of discipline...there are no rules in this landscape.

It's the deep dark of the night where things go bump and irrational things lay. It's a silverly luminescence that bathes in gentleness one minute only to be pull you somewhere else by its tidal force the next.

It's a landscape where we "think" in symbols...not to do lists or 5 year plans...where humanity "thinks" in a collective way.

posted October 29, 2013 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by mcmlxix:
Why would you want to control your instincts??? Nothing could be more detrimental to survival...there's that word detriment again.

Emotion is really just the tip of the iceberg...the Moon is really the sub/unconscious.

It's the mother...and latching onto the mother's breast...falling asleep...and dreaming...not a place of discipline...there are no rules in this landscape.

It's the deep dark of the night where things go bump and irrational things lay. It's a silverly luminescence that bathes in gentleness one minute only to be pull you somewhere else by it's tidal force the next.

It's a landscape where we "think" in symbols...not to do lists or 5 year plans...where humanity "thinks" in a collective way.

Again, all your talk of "determination, ambition, self-control & discipline, grounding" are good things, but for the Moon.

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The Moon is to you what you were born with it in. Because the Moon is "ment" to be a place of softness does not mean it is negative for it to be somewhere else. If the Moon is most personal to you then personally i think its the Best place for self-control & Discipline.
I do have mine in a conjunction with Neptune though so i am one to embrace compassion & spirituality as a whole.

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus (1st)
Moon in Capricorn (2nd)
Mercury in Sagittarius (1st)
Venus in Scorpio (11th)
Mars in Leo (9th)

posted October 29, 2013 10:55 PM            

Scorpio has you feel pain towards everything. .

Libra has try and dictate fairness when the world honestly, isn't fair ..

Cancer Moons cling and Manipulate, and keep themselves inside a shell, quite simiarly to Capricorn Moon being opposites..

Virgo Moons self critize at a constant rate..

All the Moon signs have there own negatives, imo i think some more so than the Capricorn moon ..

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Rising Scorpio
Sun in Ophiuchus (1st)
Moon in Capricorn (2nd)
Mercury in Sagittarius (1st)
Venus in Scorpio (11th)
Mars in Leo (9th)

posted October 29, 2013 11:33 PM              

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Originally posted by PlutoFish:

I agree with what you're saying, do you have a Capricorn Moon yourself?

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No, I have a Taurus moon though and it's trine Saturn (Uranus and Neptune too all in Capricorn, but Saturn is the most important here obviously. It's also opposition Neptune. I'm oddly proud of my moon. :P)

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I don't understand how you are saying it is selfish to not show others that part of you, it is selfish to think you can have it any different, as a Capricorn Moon thats how you instinctively work. You don't try to hide them, you just choose now to show them for good reasons.

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posted October 29, 2013 11:49 PM            

It baffles me that young astrologers who practice modern astrology to say "ooooh, I would love to have a Mars in Taurus or Sun in Aquarius". You have to realise they are In detriment for a reason, just like Capricorn Moon. The Moon is changeable, instinctual, has few boundaries, it operates best in cancer. The Sun shines and it is the ego in modern astrology, it is to shine but it is no good in the dead of winter (Aquarius), it can't shine behind the clouds furtherest from Earth, it can't make life grow, reproduce. Mars is fast and direct and you are asking a force to cut through hard rock -Taurus.

posted October 30, 2013 12:08 AM              

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Originally posted by 23:
A cancer moon might be faulty but that's because the moon is faulty. Every planet has faults, however, it is domicile in its own sign, it will act to its best potential, it will be acting as it should and this is considered "good" - the planet is effective. By having the Moon in Capricorn, you are denying the true nature of the planet.

It baffles me that young astrologers who practice modern astrology to say "ooooh, I would love to have a Mars in Taurus or Sun in Aquarius". You have to realise they are In detriment for a reason, just like Capricorn Moon. The Moon is changeable, instinctual, has few boundaries, it operates best in cancer. The Sun shines and it is the ego in modern astrology, it is to shine but it is no good in the dead of winter (Aquarius), it can't shine behind the clouds furtherest from Earth, it can't make life grow, reproduce. Mars is fast and direct and you are asking a force to cut through hard rock -Taurus.

You might say its great for human endeavours, keeping control of situations. Great if you are the Queen of England. You have your emotions under control. Well, what happens if that assassin is coming after you and the bodyguards are all dead?

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