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Topic: Disliking pluto in synastry
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NeptunianSag
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posted November 01, 2013 06:20 PM
  
It makes everyone psycho, yo. Even when the relationship ends, it's still not technically over in one of the persons mind, they could also bite back with stalking, revenge, plotting, worse case scenario murder. I've had so many pluto relationships, its very messy and hard to sever alot of hurt emotions thats hard to get over (even if your a "non emotional" sign like Aquarius)Is there actually anything good about pluto? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted November 01, 2013 06:59 PM
Hahaha.... ha.
Yeah.Um. The good part? Well, it does make you aware of some things you'd have preferred to keep buried or hidden. In a way, it's the coming to light of a buried issue, which would have remained hidden hadn't Pluto been part of the equation. It's like a purging of deeply ingrained emotional traumas. It's not pleasant while it happens but once it's over... You're left with some valuable discoveries about yourself. ETA: So, in conclusion, the "good part" is simply growth and evolution. IP: Logged |
KAMcA10
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From: Houston, TX, USA
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posted November 01, 2013 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
It makes everyone psycho, yo. Even when the relationship ends, it's still not technically over in one of the persons mind, they could also bite back with stalking, revenge, plotting, worse case scenario murder. I've had so many pluto relationships, its very messy and hard to sever alot of hurt emotions thats hard to get over (even if your a "non emotional" sign like Aquarius)Is there actually anything good about pluto?
To the extent that it signifies power struggle it couldn't possibly be good as in healthy for a relationship. IP: Logged |
KAMcA10
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Registered: Dec 2012
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posted November 01, 2013 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
It makes everyone psycho, yo. Even when the relationship ends, it's still not technically over in one of the persons mind, they could also bite back with stalking, revenge, plotting, worse case scenario murder. I've had so many pluto relationships, its very messy and hard to sever alot of hurt emotions thats hard to get over (even if your a "non emotional" sign like Aquarius)Is there actually anything good about pluto?
Eeks double post IP: Logged |
MsPrism
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posted November 01, 2013 08:05 PM
Ehh... my Pluto relationships don't have to be considered "healthy" by anyone but my partner and I. This is why it's important to take stock of what it is you desire out of relationship. I like that I go through an intense purge of emotional demons, it makes me stronger. All Pluto wants you to do is discover your greatest truth. Pluto's world is about extreme focus, a laser light on what is holding someone back. It's a necessary evil, you could say. The benefits I get are living healthier, with a more powerful assertion of what I truly need, not what the world wants me to need. Maybe I'm being a bi*ch but I always become intense toward an interest and if they call me "psycho" and run away, I'll be waiting for them to come back because they know it's something they need or I'll consider them weak. If Pluto keeps popping up in your life, there is something you're doing to draw this to you. The inky blackness is calling, don't be afraid! Hahaha IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted November 01, 2013 08:21 PM
^ I agree with most of what you said.However, I think Plutonian relationships are often destroyed during the process of "transformation" of one or both people. All the ones I've had so far were intense but quite brief. I'm not sure Pluto bodes well for long-term, "stable" relationships; unless both people are very self-aware and don't engage in power plays. Which is easier said than done, apparently. IP: Logged |
MsPrism
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posted November 01, 2013 08:34 PM
I do agree that it seems that a lot of Pluto relationships are quite destabilizing and short but my most plutonic relationship to date has been over 5 years long. I'm not sure if that's long term enough because some people mean 30 year relationships but it was definitely long enough for the growth aspect. I think it's great to split when the growth stops. My first relationship that was plutonic, well she died so yes they do ask a lot. Although, that relationship also had her Jupiter conjunct my Venus. Actually, all my relationships with Jupiter conjunct Venus seem to be amazing so maybe we need a dash of that to keep things gentle.I completely agree about the maturity thing. You definitely can't keep the power struggle up for long, if at all, it's just too damaging. Really though, is life all about having the longest term relationship or the most gentle unassuming lives? I mean, we have to ask ourselves why we're here and what we're meant to be doing. Maybe my Jupiter and Neptune are talking here but I always feel like I'm on a spiritual mission. Ha IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted November 01, 2013 08:42 PM
You don't sound like a Taurus at all, MsPrism, haha.
I can't get over the fact that you're actually a Taurus Sun (even if it conjuncts Jupiter).You're like... Well, very Plutonian! That's the thing. I can totally see where you're coming from. But it seems that few people are willing to experience such things. Eh, to each their own, I suppose. Good luck with your current relationship!
Hopefully it won't be too damaging. IP: Logged |
orocairion
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posted November 01, 2013 09:15 PM
What makes a relationship, "plutonic"?.Lot's of pluto aspects or some in particular?. P.S: MsPrism!. My Lavabit account got closed down, sorry I haven't been able to reply. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted November 01, 2013 09:22 PM
I think it's when Pluto makes hard aspects to personal planets in synastry.
And maybe in the composite.IP: Logged |
orocairion
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posted November 01, 2013 09:31 PM
Would you consider a relationship with only a Mars conjunct Pluto in Synastry but a Mars conjunct Sun, Venus and Mercury in Composite to be plutonic?IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 01, 2013 09:37 PM
You mean like Johnny Cash and June Carter share (square)?
Or like Paul Newman and his wife (opposition in this case)?
Or like Antonio Bandras and Melanie Griffith (conjunction)?
or like my friends (conjunction)?
Or Paul Mc Cartney and his first wife (conjunction)?
Or Robert Browning and Elizabeth Barrett Browning (square)?
Or William Randolph Hearst and Marion Davies (conjunction)?
Or Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall (opposition)?all Pluto to Venus or Mars. They seem to have managed or managed pretty okay, though it seems that transformation WAS a theme in their relationships. But then any deep emotional connection will transform us in some way I guess. My point is, it is a matter of taste I think. All these individuals had fairly intense, okay VERY intense, natal charts as well, and a fluffy romance or comfortable partnership was probably not what would have attracted them. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted November 01, 2013 09:39 PM
A little bit.
But it seems more Martian than anything.
And Mars usually = temper tantrums and fights (aside from the sexual attraction, huh).
It could manifest in fights (Mars) because of control / jealousy / possessiveness / power plays (Pluto).
Something like that.IP: Logged |
orocairion
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posted November 01, 2013 09:43 PM
Sorry Doux, I mistyped. in the Composite it isn't Mars but Pluto conjunct Sun, Venus and Mercury.IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron)
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posted November 01, 2013 09:54 PM
I think Pluto conjunct Moon is the most Plutonic synastry aspect. Especially when there's Scorpio in play. Would it or at least a DW be enough to make a relationship Plutonic?------------------
I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted November 01, 2013 09:59 PM
Orocairion,Oh, that changes things. Okay, very Plutonian (or Plutonic, whatever the right word is). Brace yourself!
Hahaha.
Cappy,
Well, duh! Pluto/Moon is as Plutonian as you can get, because it combines a soft planet (Moon) with the raw energy of Pluto.
Dun dun dun. IP: Logged |
orocairion
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posted November 01, 2013 10:08 PM
Lol, I'll brace myself, then.  I'm a bit familiar with Plutonian/Plutonic energy, having Pluto Scorpio in the 8th House while also trining my Asc. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron)
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posted November 01, 2013 10:09 PM
Weee. The position of my Moon gives me no choice but to have a Plutonic relationship with every man like 10-5 older than me  ------------------
I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
MsPrism
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posted November 01, 2013 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Good luck with your current relationship!
Hopefully it won't be too damaging.
Thank you! Oh it will probably only damage that which calcifies my potential anyways. I'm looking forward to it but the crying is always the worst. I hate crying, seriously! *nods* Haha. I think my Sun and Moon are in the Scorpio duad. Maybe there is more to duads than we know... quote:
Originally posted by orocairion:
....P.S: MsPrism!. My Lavabit account got closed down, sorry I haven't been able to reply.
Hello there, Oro. It's okay! IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted November 02, 2013 09:11 PM
I love pluto relationships!
Moon/Pluto is my favorite!IP: Logged |
Venusian Moon
Knowflake Posts: 1218
From: Nyc
Registered: Feb 2013
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posted November 03, 2013 12:41 AM
I love them lol------------------
Gemini sun 12th.(Gemini/cancer cusp)
Cancer asc 1st
Taurus moon 11th
Taurus venus 11th
Libra mars 3rd
Gemini mercury 11th IP: Logged |
next to neptune
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From: Mercury
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posted November 03, 2013 03:32 AM
Is pluto trine ascendant and pluto trine moon enough to make a relationship plutonic? I wouldn't say so myself, there has to be some square or oppositions right?IP: Logged |
Milkyshutter
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From: Bellingham, WA
Registered: May 2012
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posted November 03, 2013 09:59 AM
I think Pluto contacts are great in many ways. It will ultimately change you in a good way. If things go south, it hurts. But, at the end of the tunnel, it changes individual for good, and usually in a good way. That's what I thinkIP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted November 03, 2013 10:36 AM
I do not like it for the long term. For the short term it is great, but after the first 20 years or so you get mighty tired of the constant pressure on the relationship. Imo, sun/pluto is the worst, but any of the personal planets can be bad. There comes a time with pluto, when you think, "for ***** sake, just leave me alone now".IP: Logged |
NeptunianSag
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Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 03, 2013 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
I do not like it for the long term. For the short term it is great, but after the first 20 years or so you get mighty tired of the constant pressure on the relationship. Imo, sun/pluto is the worst, but any of the personal planets can be bad. There comes a time with pluto, when you think, "for ***** sake, just leave me alone now".
I agree, it feels like a concrete block on your chest, way too heavy, too much mental work just draining.
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