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MsPrism
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posted November 10, 2013 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well we could look at all of it.

The synastry with both your natals and the synastry with your natal and the davison composite or midpoint composite. It's up to you. I think people look at both and have their own theories. I like the davison better but it's just my preference. I think everything is explained over and over again with each chart.

Like how they say if you're having a transit indicate "this" and then your progressed chart indicates the same thing and your solar return or solar arc does too, then it's most definitely going to be relevant.

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posted November 10, 2013 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've just gotta make food but I'll be back in a jiff.

Thanks for putting them up!

Could you put your natal chart up too, so I can see the degrees of the planets and angles, please?

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posted November 10, 2013 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted synastry, composite and Davidson with the x husband...

I'm just asking for learning reasons...

I've been thinking about the two sides of the coin... Wow.. I never realized how much meaning that really has...

My x is a Virgo with a stellium in h11/12
Fishy is a Pisces with planets In H6/7

I have h12 synastry with both.
But it's opposite...

I think I'm understanding how this double sided coin is playing out..

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posted November 10, 2013 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok.. I added my natal with the other charts.. So it would be easier to look at all at once...


Take your time.. I'm browsing around...

Thanks in advance for your assistance

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posted November 10, 2013 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it's very funny how life will put those relationships there to teach us. It seems like there are long spans of heartache and a slow transformation until we no longer recognize that person we were before.

Our needs and wants are illusive until that big revelation of "Oh my gosh, that makes absolute sense. I was going through hell because of that!"

It's just hard to deal with it all before that revelation comes and especially within inches of that line between understanding and confusion.

"It's always darkest before the dawn." is the epitome of our relationships. Heh

Alright, so just looking at the very very basics, I'll ask you a couple questions.

While using that example from my past relationship, looking at the Davison put all of my frustration toward the friendly, childlike feeling into perspective. So let's do that for you.

The ASC of the Davison sits in your natal 9th House.

Was this person foreign to you? Did you connect by some foreign means, foreign philosophies, ways of life, higher education, publishing? Did you discuss higher minded ideas, books, religion, etc?

With the DSC in your 3rd House, did it feel like the way you worked together as a couple was in your day to day environment, like siblings almost? Were you doing things involving small trips or just a lot of little chats about anything and everything?

Did your relationship lead you toward revelations about what you're meant to do in the world. The 9th House is about our soul direction with the 10th manifesting it. Did you discover your soul direction through being in that relationship?

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posted November 10, 2013 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well we are two different nationalities.
He's Hispanic and I'm white..
I always have to go back and fourth from the U.S to Mexico..
Which actually annoys me...
It's like a chore for me... (Maybe the h6) thing..
It's a huge hassle..

I wouldn't say we were like siblings nor had deep talks..
But it was more like, idk an obligation.

This may sound crazy, but I think I married him cuz well he was safe...
He loved me, I felt I didn't want to loose that, but I was willing to stay and keep my word..

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posted November 10, 2013 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't start to discover my direction, until it ended...
I always felt just there, like just another day.

I really want to get away from that obligated feeling.
It really bothers me.. I have no choice but to take care of everything...
It just really up bugs me...

Ranting.. Lol

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posted November 10, 2013 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The obligation thing definitely smacks of 3rd House feel.

You know how you kinda have to keep the peace or keep the conversation going with your sister because you live together, they're in your immediate environment?

We all have a story about a neighbor whom always wanted to have a chat and we felt obligated to because we live next door and don't want any bad vibes created where we live.

Hm. . .this is actually really interesting.

So you had to take trips to see him or you still have to now?

I'll have to look at this more later but it's so interesting!

I'm not an expert or anything but I'm keen to continue trying to figure out how these things manifest.

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posted November 10, 2013 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
During the marriage the trips were more for family events..
Now it's so my son can go..
It's never ending..

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posted November 11, 2013 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Davison ASC with someone is falling right before my 2nd house cusp. it is on 11 Cap, and my 2nd house cusp is 12 Cap.

Meeting him made me evaluate myself and dealing with all these issues surrounding my Self-image and how I value myself as a person, and of course also put the changes into motion to really become the person I want to be.
But it was really cause he looked at me as if I already was that person, as if there was something of value there, that made me even address all the issues I had around it.
Not to mention it was a great boost for my confidence, though unfortunately it could go the other way, too.

EDIT:
I suppose it is more positive to me, maybe also, because Davison Venus is on 11 Taurus (in my 5th house) and exactly trine Davison ASC.

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posted November 11, 2013 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MsPrism:
The obligation thing definitely smacks of 3rd House feel.

You know how you kinda have to keep the peace or keep the conversation going with your sister because you live together, they're in your immediate environment?

We all have a story about a neighbor whom always wanted to have a chat and we felt obligated to because we live next door and don't want any bad vibes created where we live.

Hm. . .this is actually really interesting.

So you had to take trips to see him or you still have to now?

I'll have to look at this more later but it's so interesting!

I'm not an expert or anything but I'm keen to continue trying to figure out how these things manifest.


I just noticed my natal saturn is conjunct the composite DSC..
would that give me the obligation feeling??

I really don't like that feeling...
it doesn't jive well with my Leo

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posted November 11, 2013 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JudyVanTassel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted November 11, 2013 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am more of a fan of synastry sometimes the energy is just seems so much more compelling. Also composite charts don't show the transits each individual person is being influenced by that can change the dynamics of the relationship and even regarding orbs I am a bit loosey-goosey and for a few reasons. 1. Even if aspects aren't super tight they possibly make certain aspect patterns/Plantery configurations that are more important then back to back conjunctions.

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posted November 11, 2013 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MsPrism:
The obligation thing definitely smacks of 3rd House feel.

You know how you kinda have to keep the peace or keep the conversation going with your sister because you live together, they're in your immediate environment?

We all have a story about a neighbor whom always wanted to have a chat and we felt obligated to because we live next door and don't want any bad vibes created where we live.

Hm. . .this is actually really interesting.

So you had to take trips to see him or you still have to now?

I'll have to look at this more later but it's so interesting!

I'm not an expert or anything but I'm keen to continue trying to figure out how these things manifest.


I just noticed my natal saturn is conjunct the composite DSC..
would that give me the obligation feeling??

I really don't like that feeling...
it doesn't jive well with my Leo

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posted November 11, 2013 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
I just noticed my natal saturn is conjunct the composite DSC..
would that give me the obligation feeling??

I really don't like that feeling...
it doesn't jive well with my Leo


I'd say yes, definitely.

Your Saturn in your 3rd falls directly on the Composite Descendant and causes you a daily grind of responsibility toward the relationship.

I wonder if it's repeated in the synastry as well?

It looks like Saturn is exactly conjunct his DSC and falls into your 1st House. This seems like another tick toward you feeling that his relating to you (DSC) puts the heavy burden of Saturn on how you act (ASC) when he's around.

Do you think that relates too?

ETA:

Since your MC/IC's are so close to each other, you have a Saturn point aspecting a Moon point. Did you feel emotionally stifled or restricted from expressing your inner self?

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posted November 12, 2013 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the thing...
I always felt like I had to do everything, like I was his "knight"
He always needed some sort if help with something...
I caused me to resent him...
But at the same time, I never ever once even thought about divorcing or leaving him...
I gave my word to stay, I was willing to do that...

Even now he calls me asking me for something, it's little things, but I just bothers me so much....

Now I'm not talking about housework or anything like that..
I have to admit, my husband loved to cook, and was a bit of a neat freak.. So he was always cooking and cleaning...
He was a huge help around the house, and we shared the household stuff...
It's everything else I had to take care of...

Then what bugged me most, after. Did everything, he would complain about how much I did it wtong...
Drove me insane...
Which is probably why I begin to hate it so much, with every thing I had to do, I came home to receive complaints on how I did I...

He's way, was the only correct way, he never understood, just cause it's not your way, doesn't mean it's wrong..

Honestly I think I went into zombie mode, but I still wasn't going to leave...
But fate intervened and made it happen..
Then afterwards, I was like wow...
This is so much better, then I get hit with fishy...

Karma is a ***** .. Lol
Yeah I was emotional shut down from him....
Which is why I think I think this whole fishy thing is really effecting me so hard..
With fishy, I'm forced to deal with my emotions and not shut down... (Moon/Pluto)

I noticed fishy and my x husband have opposite charts..
It's amazing...
I should look at there synastry to see what's exactly opposite... Lol

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posted November 12, 2013 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
Here's the thing...
I always felt like I had to do everything, like I was his "knight"
He always needed some sort if help with something...
I caused me to resent him...
But at the same time, I never ever once even thought about divorcing or leaving him...
I gave my word to stay, I was willing to do that...

Even now he calls me asking me for something, it's little things, but I just bothers me so much....

Now I'm not talking about housework or anything like that..
I have to admit, my husband loved to cook, and was a bit of a neat freak.. So he was always cooking and cleaning...
He was a huge help around the house, and we shared the household stuff...
It's everything else I had to take care of...

Then what bugged me most, after. Did everything, he would complain about how much I did it wrong...
Drove me insane...
Which is probably why I begin to hate it so much, with every thing I had to do, I came home to receive complaints on how I did I...

He's way, was the only correct way, he never understood, just cause it's not your way, doesn't mean it's wrong..

Honestly I think I went into zombie mode, but I still wasn't going to leave...
But fate intervened and made it happen..
Then afterwards, I was like wow...
This is so much better, then I get hit with fishy...


Saturn is always saying "You could have done better..." when it's connected to the ASC or 1st House. I am the most unforgiving person when I have my Saturn conjunct the ASC of a partner, I really had to learn to hold my tongue.

Your Jupiter falls in his 4th, which can also give the feeling of never being satisfied with our home. It's the great liberator put in a place where bonding is necessary so it's possible that the he always wanted more more more.

It seems like a very heavy relationship. With your Mars falling into his 12th House, it can make your actions a sacrifice in this relationship. Whatever is put into the 12th is sacrificed to the like or dislike of the planet person. It makes sense that you felt like you gave so much.

There is something really important for you to learn between the 6th/12th axis. Your 6th falling into his 12th. All your efforts falling into the illusive and foggy 12th? Talk about annoying. It may have been that he couldn't see clearly just how much effort (Mars) you were putting in.

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Karma is a ***** .. Lol
Yeah I was emotional shut down from him....
Which is why I think this whole fishy thing is really effecting me so hard..
With fishy, I'm forced to deal with my emotions and not shut down... (Moon/Pluto)

I noticed fishy and my x husband have opposite charts..
It's amazing...
I should look at there synastry to see what's exactly opposite... Lol


I'm gonna be really straightforward with you so please don't take it the wrong way.

Life is giving you the opportunity with Fishy to express that emotion BUT and this is a big BUT if Fishy is interacting with your emotions in the wrong way, it could be life telling you that you need to demand and only accept a person that allows you to emotionally express yourself.

The challenge can be either way and with Moon/Pluto connections it seems like both people have to be very mature to deal with the intensity.

I cannot know how the relationship is with Fishy only you do so you have to be very honest (read: Plutonian) about what this person is doing to you, how you react to them and if it's necessary to keep this person in your life.

If you find yourself face to face with this person over and over again, life is definitely saying "LOOK AT THIS!" So do it and be painfully true to yourself.

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posted November 12, 2013 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Synastry= what you and your partner feel about each other
Composite= your relationship.

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posted November 12, 2013 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MsPrism:
I'm gonna be really straightforward with you so please don't take it the wrong way.

Life is giving you the opportunity with Fishy to express that emotion BUT and this is a big BUT if Fishy is interacting with your emotions in the wrong way, it could be life telling you that you need to demand and only accept a person that allows you to emotionally express yourself.

The challenge can be either way and with Moon/Pluto connections it seems like both people have to be very mature to deal with the intensity.

I cannot know how the relationship is with Fishy only you do so you have to be very honest (read: Plutonian) about what this person is doing to you, how you react to them and if it's necessary to keep this person in your life.

If you find yourself face to face with this person over and over again, life is definitely saying "LOOK AT THIS!" So do it and be painfully true to yourself.


I always appreciate honesty
U know what's funny, remember how I said its like a an opposite from the x to fishy..
Fishy has Saturn in Virgo in my h7
X Saturn Saturn in Pisces in my h1

I think this whole " opposite thing is very interesting..
Like if I needed the same thing, but in a different way..
I want to look at their synastry to see how opposite they really are...
Your right, there's a part if me looking for this...
I think I know what I need to do with fishy..
I've been avoiding the feelings and not really dealing with it...
I'm going yo start going head on...
What ever happens happens...

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posted November 12, 2013 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOOOT! I can already see the lion as she's meant to be. . . fearless!

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posted November 12, 2013 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked out their planets ..

They have
Mars opps mars
Sun opps sun
Saturn opps Saturn
Venus Quinx Venus
Mercury oops merc
Moon trine moon
Jupiter conjunct Jupiter (age difference) on my SN

Not necessarily by degree, but by sign

Oo wow...
That's just amazing... Lol

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posted November 12, 2013 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yeah, life is definitely moving you to be near this person.

The opposition is so important because it's showing you two sides of the situation. If you felt one way with your EX, you see the opposite with Fishy.

What do you think this means for you?

The natal charts for the two most important people, one past, one present, in my romantic life show a conjunction of two planets but in opposite signs.

Personally, I was blown away by that revelation. It seems like you're blown away with your opposite situation too!

Are you having any synchronistic events at all?

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posted November 12, 2013 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure what it means for me...

Maybe something like,
What I really need or want is opposite of my x..
I say that cuz, even though I cared for the husband, I never really felt like I was head over heels in love..
He was idk... Safe for me... I wasn't worried about the relationship..

I have synchronistic with fishy, but not my relationship with my x vs my relationship with fishy...
It's being on the total opposite of the pond
(So to speak)

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posted November 12, 2013 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I just meant with Fishy.

I think you view your ex as completely over now, is that right?

Did you wish for someone to come into your life as an opposite to what you experienced with your ex?

I wonder why you're having such a hard time with Mr. Fish?

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posted November 12, 2013 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoujiroSeta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioness, would you say the composites of the 2 men you're talking about (your x husband and fishy) described you relationship with them pretty accurately?

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