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Topic: Synastry Vs Composite
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Lioness
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posted November 09, 2013 12:12 AM
  
Which do you think describes more how the relationship will play out?
Discuss.....
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Lioness
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posted November 09, 2013 12:15 AM
I personally think the composite shows more how the actual relationship will play out, and the "dynamics" going on behind the relationship.. I think the synastry will show more of how the individual will react to the relationship... Although, I've seen both
Where the composite makes more since, and in others where the synastry makes more since... So I'm curious, what makes the difference. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted November 09, 2013 12:22 AM
Lol.... idk the orbs people use for composites...
Basically we have no valid aspects.... the only tight aspects are Sun trine North node and moon sextile chiron, Venus square Chiron lol.. but our synastry is insanely enviable. Anyways synastry is basically two natal charts interacting together and it's describes most of the relationships in my life accurately. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 09, 2013 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Lol.... idk the orbs people use for composites...
Basically we have no valid aspects.... the only tight aspects are Sun trine North node and moon sextile chiron, Venus square Chiron lol.. but our synastry is insanely enviable.
Hey... I've been out of the pic lately... Who's we??
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DeepFreeze
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posted November 09, 2013 12:37 AM
I may be TOTALLY off. I have a very vague memory of once seeing that the composite is how the couple appears and/or interacts with/to the outside world as a unit, as one. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 09, 2013 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I may be TOTALLY off. I have a very vague memory of once seeing that the composite is how the couple appears to the outside world as a unit, as one.
I'm not totally feeling that...
I've read it to, but it does create energy between the 2..
The asc is said to show how they meet, and how they show them selves to the world.,, It's still similar to a natal, except its 2people instead of one..
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Lioness
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posted November 09, 2013 12:40 AM
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MsPrism
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posted November 09, 2013 03:17 AM
I actually think that the composite explains how the relationship makes you feel by comparing your natal chart to the composite. I don't think there is enough information in the composite alone to explain how your lives move on as one. I think it represents the energies that occur but without doing synastry with your natal and the composite, you won't gain much substantial information from it. Maybe it's because I tend to need information applied specifically to myself to understand it. Synastry always seems to work for me because it's explaining how I am feeling because of that person's presence and I can also see how they might be feeling. When looking at your synastry with a davison chart/natal chart you really see what is going on for both people because of the relationship. For example, one of my romantic relationships always smacked of friendship rather than romance and I couldn't understand why. It turns out that the ASC/DSC of the davison sat across my 5th and 11th axis. I found that the relationship really showed me who I was, how I'm especially myself. The downside was that it also seemed impossible to relate together when there wasn't a game, joking around, laughter, acting like kids. Our biggest connection was always about childlike behavior. He didn't feel this way and it makes sense because the ASC sat in his 8th House. What felt like fun and games for me, felt like deep soul searching intimacy for him. He was also very intense and possessive about the relationship, while I didn't have such an obsession with "us". By looking at how the Davison interacted with my natal chart, it all makes sense. Just my 2 cents and I hope it helps! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 09, 2013 04:12 AM
Ms Prism,did I ever tell you how much I love you for doing these posts I can wholeheartedly agree with? 
Like you just took the words out of my mouth. BTW I think it all three, synastry, composite, synastry with the composite, needs to be looked at. It is not an either-or-or Scenario.
They are interdependent. Also, while I noticed that the composite energies usually will play out somehow, on a factual level, it is the synastry with the natal that shows how much it really means for you, or how you are affected.
If there are not nice triggers of your chart, the composite, and the connection can be beautiful as it might be, but you just will not care that much, you do not feel bonded to the relationship.
I have an interesting case with a co-worker, I got the notion who likes me quite much.
In the composite we have an exact Sun-Venus-conjunction.
There is this Sun-Venus-vibe in our conection, yes, we are friendly with each other, aggreeable and all that. Just the very fact that there is this pretty positive lovely vibe between us - well letīs put it this way I don`t like it all that much. It shouldn`be there. I am not remotely interested in him romantically, and besides he is married.
So it always seems that it is me who puts a brake on all the friendly loveliness going on between us (well he definitely is friendlier than me. lol), because to me it is not right and it makes me feel a little uncomfortable. I just donīt want us to be TOO close, because of my lack of romantic interest and also of course because of his marriage.
Anyway our lovely Sun-Venus conjunction is exactly opposite my natal Saturn (I have that too in a different connection composite Venus opposite my natal Saturn), where it plays out a little different, because in the other case there IS a much too strong attraction going on for me, but basically even in that other case, it is me who is always putting the brakes on some sort of motion)
anyway in the case of my coworker, this composite Sun-Venus-conjunction is exactly trine his Mars (I usually do not really consider trines, only conjunctions and oppositions,b ut could not help notice ti).
Though it is also square his natal Chiron, and as you can see, the composite Sun/Venus-conjunction becomes hte trigger of our synastric exact Saturn(me)-Chiron(him)-square.
And just that quickly a seemingly nice composite aspect has become, well, something else.
In this case it is even more actue as composite Saturn is also exactly opposite my natal Venus. (can`t say No more clearly. lol)
Apart from these there are no strong triggers of my chart. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 09, 2013 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by MsPrism:
I actually think that the composite explains how the relationship makes you feel by comparing your natal chart to the composite. I don't think there is enough information in the composite alone to explain how your lives move on as one. I think it represents the energies that occur but without doing synastry with your natal and the composite, you won't gain much substantial information from it. Maybe it's because I tend to need information applied specifically to myself to understand it. Synastry always seems to work for me because it's explaining how I am feeling because of that person's presence and I can also see how they might be feeling. When looking at your synastry with a davison chart/natal chart you really see what is going on for both people because of the relationship. For example, one of my romantic relationships always smacked of friendship rather than romance and I couldn't understand why. It turns out that the ASC/DSC of the davison sat across my 5th and 11th axis. I found that the relationship really showed me who I was, how I'm especially myself. The downside was that it also seemed impossible to relate together when there wasn't a game, joking around, laughter, acting like kids. Our biggest connection was always about childlike behavior. He didn't feel this way and it makes sense because the ASC sat in his 8th House. What felt like fun and games for me, felt like deep soul searching intimacy for him. He was also very intense and possessive about the relationship, while I didn't have such an obsession with "us". By looking at how the Davison interacted with my natal chart, it all makes sense. Just my 2 cents and I hope it helps!
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DeepFreeze
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posted November 09, 2013 12:40 PM
Wow, thank you. I'm always doing a LOT of synastry comparisons to help understand human interaction based on Astrology. I'm a bit of a novice however.  IP: Logged |
MsPrism
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posted November 09, 2013 11:08 PM
Haha thank you Ceri! It sounds like you're in a really awkward situation.  I've had some of those in the past but I wasn't into astrology at the time so I can't add anything. What is your opinion on the start of composites? Do you think a first meeting chart overrides the midpoint or davison composite, are they all relevant or are first meeting charts not needed? I've been interested in them but haven't started researching them yet. @Lioness Thank you! IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 09, 2013 11:42 PM
On the Davidson, was the difference with corrected and in corrected? IP: Logged |
MsPrism
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posted November 10, 2013 12:08 AM
This is from:
http://www.astro.com/faq/fq_fh_round_e.htm What is the difference between the "corrected" and "uncorrected" Davison Relationship Chart? The Medium Coeli (MC) computed for the time midpoint, which is the basis of the Davison chart, deviates very slightly (usually by less than 1 degree) from the composite MC (computed as the midpoint between the two personal MCs). The time correction applied to the standard Davison chart brings its MC into perfect alignment with the meridian axis of the composite chart. Most astrologers read the composite chart and the Davison chart together. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 10, 2013 12:16 AM
Good info.. I always wondered. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 10, 2013 12:54 AM
I checked the Davidson between me and fishy, he's had the hugest effect on me then anyone else ever..I'm not really seeing much that stands out from the Davidson to my natal, what could I be missing? D.. Mars conjuncts my Venus
That would be attraction.. D. Venus conjuncts my Pluto, but it's kinda a wide orb 5 D. Dsc conjunct my Jupiter... IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 10, 2013 01:07 AM
I checked with my e husband also... Not much going on there either.. D. Sun conjunct my mars D Venus conjunct my SN That's about it..
Did I do it wrong?
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MsPrism
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posted November 10, 2013 01:12 AM
I think the davison relates to how the relationship feels to you and has an impact on you, so both of your energy together. Him having an impact on you whether you're in a relationship or off and on I think would be explained by synastry alone.Which houses do the composite angles overlay into your natal chart? With the composite, I think it's general direction and where you feel you fit in with the relationship. For example: A man may feel he fits the role of passive, supportive, stay at home while the woman feels she is supposed to fill that role, thus a confusion about who takes the lead. Or it could be more compatible where the man feels that way and the woman feels like leading while engaging in the relationship, lending the people involved a feeling of balance. On one hand there is the constant "I'm supposed to support, you have to do the leading!" with the other saying "But I feel like I'm supposed to support, while you lead!" So the relationship doesn't work because no one seems to be doing anything. Haha. I've noticed that some people say "We both just sit back and wait for the other to act but it never happens!" Does that make sense or is it kinda vague? ETA: I think when you're involving planets, we have to look at house rulers. With the Davison Sun on your Mars, what house does the Sun sit and rule? The same with your Mars. Then we'll go through how that might have manifested for you. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 10, 2013 01:16 AM
With my x husband my Leo stellium is in the Davidson H9
With fishy it's in the Davidson H3 Kinda ironic huh!! Lol
Opposite houses..
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Lioness
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posted November 10, 2013 01:19 AM
Davidson sun is in Leo rules h9
D. Mars is in sag, conjunct moon/asc My natal sun, mars in Leo in h6
This is the x husband
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MsPrism
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posted November 10, 2013 01:20 AM
Haha yes, two sides of the same coin. Pretty interesting how life does that huh? IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 10, 2013 01:21 AM
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Haha yes, two sides of the same coin. Pretty interesting how life does that huh?
$&(:337$);3357&97;;($$)!&87$&9&);/3 &@8;(&86:-4$"&: 7(?$6(: $&!,;$&);!$)? Nuff said.. Lol IP: Logged |
MsPrism
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posted November 10, 2013 01:24 AM
Sorry, I meant what house does your Mars rule in your chart. Let's go with traditional rulers too because they are faster moving and I still think they have a say. Haha call me traditional but I don't want to push them off their pedestals. HahaSo for example D.Sun sits in 8th and rules 1st N.Mars sits in 4th and rules 4th/11th Do you want to just analyse them and see what we come up with? If you want to put up the synastry with the two? IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 10, 2013 01:31 AM
My natal mars rules my h2 ,
I have mars in Leo in h6 I will put up the synastry .. Give me a few.. Should I also put up the Davidson? IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted November 10, 2013 01:38 AM
X husband 
Davidson
Composite
My natal
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