posted November 17, 2013 10:20 PM            

I would look to the eighth house for children, not the fifth. The fifth is kinda like the native's childhood where they are having fun playing, being kids. They are not grown yet so that's why you see it as a fun house but it's not a serious house where you start your family and raise it. Fifth is one of immaturity along with one, two, three and four. Six is borderline maturity while seven is the first mature house.

Sixth is where you let go of your childhood some. You are growing up and getting serious about learning an occupation to support yourself and allow you to marry, start a home of your own (the fourth is your parent's home.)

Seventh is the first house of adulthood (Saturn is exalted here - planet of responsibility) where you take on a spouse. In many cultures, once people are married, they are treated with respect they didn't experience before. Any kind of courtship or dating belongs to this house, not the fifth although fifth can signify what you did for fun as a child, like, if you went to a party with your friends, that would be the fifth house. Someone with malefics in their fifth might have felt alone or antagonized in their childhood, like they didn't have enough of these experiences while someone with moon, Venus or Jupiter in fifth will experience many fun times, they have a lot of happy childhood memories.

Eighth is where the marriage is consummated and I also think the birth of children belong in this house. Death is not here, it's in twelfth. This is the house of resources shared with a spouse, the marriage home (so it is like the fourth house of your children since this home you create with your spouse is where you will raise any kids.) This is where the real business of marriage takes place, all the hard work and responsibility that goes with your partnership. It's the first house of full maturity (seventh is where you first experience adulthood, when you are married) and where you will feel the most taxed and challenged of all.

Ninth is the raising of offspring, seeing to their spiritual development. Mother, father, kids, all attend church together for the benefit of the children. Churches used to be responsible for the education of kids as well.
So you see, third is your education, the ninth is the education of your children and how they will develop in their childhood.

Fourth is your parent's home, where you were raised and any nurturing you recieved. Tenth is how much power and influence you have in the world. Can you command others or do they command you? Do you have any influence in the world or will you forever be a tireless worker, taking orders your entire life?

Eleventh is the Quaker house. It's where your fellowship meetings reside, your pubs where you meet buddies and sing, your banquets, societies you could be a member of, like the Free Masons. All the things adults do to feel connected to one another in a fraternal way. While fifth is what you did as a child, eleventh is what you do while adult so see the connection? It's more mature than the fifth, like a grown up version of it.

posted November 18, 2013 04:20 AM            

8th house is death and specifically, the 8th house cusp is the point of death. The 8th house is the waiting room for the 9th. I cannot see sex or consummation or kids related to the 8th, you can't have these things after death. The 8th house is simply the ally of the 7th, not activity of the 7th.

Sex can be had anytime, before of after marriage. Don't think that sex was only done on the point of marriage of the old days. I associate any pleasurable activity with the 5th including sex. The two partners, whether they be married or not or whatever orientation is ruled by the 7th.

I see the 8th as for last human house and everything else is the universal. 9th is the house of God where we join him. The 10th is his judgment and the rank we get from him, 11th any wishes that are honoured by him but the 12th is the undoing house, by us or by him.

Moon is naturally associated with the 7th house, I have mentioned in a previous post as to why. I have never heard of Saturn being exalted in the 7th, it is associated with the 1st, 8th and 12th. It is the ruler of doors - entry and exit to life. Malefics in general are assigned to negative houses as they are able to inflict their miseries very well in these houses. The 7th house is not a bad house, but is on the better end. I can't see how Saturn can be associated with the 7th.

Traditionally, also, marriage in the very old days was associated with the 10th as it was status and having formal function.

posted November 18, 2013 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Disagree but you have an interesting take on it.

8th house is death and specifically, the 8th house cusp is the point of death. The 8th house is the waiting room for the 9th. I cannot see sex or consummation or kids related to the 8th, you can't have these things after death. The 8th house is simply the ally of the 7th, not activity of the 7th.

Sex can be had anytime, before of after marriage. Don't think that sex was only done on the point of marriage of the old days. I associate any pleasurable activity with the 5th including sex. The two partners, whether they be married or not or whatever orientation is ruled by the 7th.

I see the 8th as for last human house and everything else is the universal. 9th is the house of God where we join him. The 10th is his judgment and the rank we get from him, 11th any wishes that are honoured by him but the 12th is the undoing house, by us or by him.

Moon is naturally associated with the 7th house, I have mentioned in a previous post as to why. I have never heard of Saturn being exalted in the 7th, it is associated with the 1st, 8th and 12th. It is the ruler of doors - entry and exit to life. Malefics in general are assigned to negative houses as they are able to inflict their miseries very well in these houses. The 7th house is not a bad house, but is on the better end. I can't see how Saturn can be associated with the 7th.

Traditionally, also, marriage in the very old days was associated with the 10th as it was status and having formal function.

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I don't see why death would be in eight unless marriage is so stressful, you die of a heart attack soon after...

posted November 18, 2013 01:50 PM            

As for the 8th, I've asked enough questions about dead people and their significator nearly always ends being in their 8th house.

posted November 18, 2013 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
I absolutely don't understand what you mean by the children's home being the 10th and how you derived it. If the 8th is your children as you suggest, then their house would be the 4th from the 8th which would make it the 11th. I can't agree with any of this nor your current house/residence being 10th by being the opposite of the 4th (childhood home). The fourth always rules immovable chattels, unless you ask specifically about your childhood home, which is parent's home or adopted parent's home etc and the chart would have to be turned for that,

As for the 8th, I've asked enough questions about dead people and their significator nearly always ends being in their 8th house.

I won't argue anymore about any of this, we simply won't agree. I don't agree with your consummation argument.

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