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Barbiegirl19
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posted November 20, 2013 03:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her boyfriend whatever it still doesn't make the situation any better

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posted November 20, 2013 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
There is no astrology behind it though....it's common sense

Actually, I was left once. I didn't blame the other person because that person owed me nothing and was no one to me (I wasn't even sure the other person knew I existed), the betrayal was by my partner and that's who I was bitter against, I didn't care about the other person. Now if the other person I was left for had been a friend then that would've been different.

Astrology probably gives clues as to why I'm this way. Probably having moon conjunct mars in the 5H helps a lot. I was bitter (and still have disturbing dreams to this day, just had one last night) for awhile which I attribute to my Cappie Lilith. I think I've transformed my Scorpio energy so that I'm not inclined to vengeance though I can freeze someone out. Vengeance isn't my style, at least beyond the occasional mean prank if they don't leave me alone. Now if I think they're dangerous to me, that's another matter, the less said about it the better (but it's iconic Scorpio just as freezing someone out is), but it wouldn't be to punish.

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posted November 20, 2013 03:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I don't really understand either.. If the behavior is odd to you what makes you think others would understand it and get you an answer? If you want her to move on then you have to drop her and stop worrying about why she is the way she is.

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posted November 20, 2013 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuryflow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Just out of curiosity, what does she do toward him?

Or does she just target you with her ire alone?


some of the things she says include him, or us as couple, but mostly she concerns with herself with trying to attack me. i have compassion for her, i really do. she ends up looking pretty pathetic, i'm a well known person, with a lot of friends and family, who know me well. she's only hurting herself more.

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posted November 20, 2013 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuryflow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I guess I don't really understand either.. If the behavior is odd to you what makes you think others would understand it and get you an answer? If you want her to move on then you have to drop her and stop worrying about why she is the way she is.

just because it's odd to me, doesn't mean it's odd to everyone. and a lot of people said they could relate to her, so i've learned something! i don't know enough about astrology to know what could make a person act in such a way, now i know a little more. i'm not worrying about anything, just cerebrally contemplating her actions.

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posted November 20, 2013 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrology doesn't give an answer to everything.

You can use her chart to better understand the situation but if you are not using it to help her, it's kindof pointless.

If you really want to know, she probably has anger management issues (her chart) and obsession with past love issues (her with your bf's chart)

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Barbiegirl19
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posted November 20, 2013 03:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by summerlite:
Astrology doesn't give an answer to everything.

You can use her chart to better understand the situation but if you are not using it to help her, it's kindof pointless.

If you really want to know, she probably has anger management issues (her chart) and obsession with past love issues (her with your bf's chart)


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posted November 20, 2013 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe she just made mercuryflow curious about what leads to vengefulness in the chart.

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posted November 20, 2013 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm also curious...people tend to repeat their behaviors. So if he finds "true love" with someone else and leaves you just as he did the last woman, how would you react?

Don't say it can't happen. That's what she said. And he did it once which means he can do it again no matter how "true" it feels to you (feelings often lie, and passion tends to fade). So if he leaves you for another woman, how would you react?

Me personally, I couldn't be with someone who left me for someone else because I'd expect to be left for someone else in turn.

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posted November 20, 2013 03:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuryflow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by summerlite:
Astrology doesn't give an answer to everything.

You can use her chart to better understand the situation but if you are not using it to help her, it's kindof pointless.

If you really want to know, she probably has anger management issues (her chart) and obsession with past love issues (her with your bf's chart)


i think i'm just finding that astrology is helping me better understand everything. while i think she'd be very opposed to me helping her in anyway, or even talking to her, understanding her chart can help me be more compassionate, or just have that, oh, i get it feeling.

and it will broaden my knowledge of astrology in general. i'd like to be able to look at charts and find all sorts of meanings. learning the charts of people i know personally really helps.

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posted November 20, 2013 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuryflow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Maybe she just made mercuryflow curious about what leads to vengefulness in the chart.

exactly.

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Barbiegirl19
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posted November 20, 2013 03:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Maybe she just made mercuryflow curious about what leads to vengefulness in the chart.

Then say that then don't constantly bring up someone who isn't worth bringing up. It just makes people especially girls look insecure when curious about an ex of their boyfriends and why they acted this and that way. It's like they're with you for a reason right....why does he or she matter. Lol unless your a Cap

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posted November 20, 2013 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuryflow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I'm also curious...people tend to repeat their behaviors. So if he finds "true love" with someone else and leaves you just as he did the last woman, how would you react?

Don't say it can't happen. That's what she said. And he did it once which means he can do it again no matter how "true" it feels to you (feelings often lie, and passion tends to fade). So if he leaves you for another woman, how would you react?

Me personally, I couldn't be with someone who left me for someone else because I'd expect to be left for someone else in turn.


you're right. it could happen. but it could happen to anyone even if their significant other didn't do it before. yea, it could be a pattern. but i'm trusting that it isn't. i also know a lot more of the story, which helps.

but let's say he does end up leaving me for someone else.
i'd be heartbroken. i'd go traveling. far away. and try to get over it. probably cry myself to sleep a lot, and pretend to be a lot stronger about it during the day than i really would be. (cap moon) i wouldn't be vengeful…i don't think i have a vengeful bone in my body. (or placement in my chart..haha)
i have been left before, for someone else…i was a lot younger, and knew it wasn't the end of the world. it hurt. but i got over it, i and knew it was for the best.

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posted November 20, 2013 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuryflow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Then say that then don't constantly bring up someone who isn't worth bringing up. It just makes people especially girls look insecure when curious about an ex of their boyfriends and why they acted this and that way. It's like they're with you for a reason right....why does he or she matter. Lol unless your a Cap

well, since she's spreading lies about me, i think i have some grounds to be curious about why. just my opinion though.
i do have a cap moon…haha.

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Barbiegirl19
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posted November 20, 2013 03:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well if it were me I'd laugh and keep it moving. Everyone knows she's lying and they know why she's doing it.

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posted November 20, 2013 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuryflow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well if it were me I'd laugh and keep it moving. Everyone knows she's lying and they know why she's doing it.

yep!

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posted November 20, 2013 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you have a cap moon ? Hmm now this is one curious case lol. Often gem suns, despite being mutable air and having the reputation of being all over the place/not respecting boundaries, they're pretty logical. Plus a cap moon, they often stay away from messy situation. I'm a cap myself and someone who's in a relationship of any kind is off-limit.

Obviously she sees you as the other woman. And often when people are hurt, they lash out. You have your reasons to go after your love, she has reasons to act out her hurt and anger.

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posted November 20, 2013 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuryflow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 20, 2013 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuryflow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 20, 2013 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lifefullofwords     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mercuryflow:
i was just curious about her chart, seeing what people thought might cause such behavior.

In my experience Eris and Pluto can both potentially have the effect. I have Eris squaring my Sun-Mars opposition and I frequently have intensely vengeful feelings - although I would never act on them in an unethical way. But that doesn't mean I feel bad about hurting people that have harmed me or my loved ones. I will say a romantic situation would never inspire vengeful feelings because I have absolutely no interest in being with someone who's not into me.

In terms of Pluto... my ex has her Sun in the 8th opposite Pluto and she's even more vengeful than I am, or at least she used to be when she was younger and less healthy. She would literally spend months or even years carrying out plans that were meant to result in the destruction of her "enemies." Thank god our breakup was relatively amicable or we would have destroyed each other!

I'm sorry you have to go through something like this, especially when you weren't even responsible for the break-up. But I'm sure from her POV things look entirely different so I can understand why in the immediate aftermath she might behave badly. But after 6 years? That's absolutely ridiculous. Can you just avoid her entirely? Or do you have a lot of friends in common? Because if this has already been going on for years there's a good chance she's not going to stop anytime soon.

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Actually, I was left once. I didn't blame the other person because that person owed me nothing and was no one to me (I wasn't even sure the other person knew I existed), the betrayal was by my partner and that's who I was bitter against, I didn't care about the other person. Now if the other person I was left for had been a friend then that would've been different.

I agree with this... In high school my bf of almost a year broke up with me (with no real explanation) and then a week later was in a relationship with someone else from the same school-and it was a really small school. They flaunted it in my face every day (I think secretly he felt bad but she was thoroughly enjoying the scandal/attention). I was really hurt and furious but still I never sank to that level of trying to seek petty revenge or even blaming her since really it was on him, and I think that's the reaction they were looking for anyway and I wasn't going to give it to them lol...

Although I will say I never gave up on trying to get to the bottom of what really happened, and months later when he was texting me saying how he had rushed things with her and wished he could make things right (regardless of whether or not he intended to follow through) I may or may not have showed those texts to a mutual friend I had with this girl, and she ended up breaking up with him..

I have mars/pluto and moon/mars aspects, so I definitely have strong reactions to betrayal but in general I don't think I'm vicious about getting back at people. If anything I tend to bottle it up or let it turn into self-destruction by subconsciously seeking out destructive people or situations to put myself in. Not that that's any less unhealthy or immature lol

But anywayyy, have you looked at your synastry with her?? It might not seem relevant but I think that can come into play even with people you don't know well...

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Actually, I was left once. I didn't blame the other person because that person owed me nothing and was no one to me (I wasn't even sure the other person knew I existed), the betrayal was by my partner and that's who I was bitter against, I didn't care about the other person. Now if the other person I was left for had been a friend then that would've been different.

Astrology probably gives clues as to why I'm this way. Probably having moon conjunct mars in the 5H helps a lot. I was bitter (and still have disturbing dreams to this day, just had one last night) for awhile which I attribute to my Cappie Lilith. I think I've transformed my Scorpio energy so that I'm not inclined to vengeance though I can freeze someone out. Vengeance isn't my style, at least beyond the occasional mean prank if they don't leave me alone. Now if I think they're dangerous to me, that's another matter, the less said about it the better (but it's iconic Scorpio just as freezing someone out is), but it wouldn't be to punish.


I agree with this... In high school my bf of almost a year broke up with me (with no real explanation) and then a week later was in a relationship with another girl from the same school-and it was a really small school. They flaunted it in my face every day (I think secretly he felt bad but she was thoroughly enjoying the scandal/attention). I was really hurt and furious but still never sunk to the level of trying to spread rumors or seek petty revenge, or even blaming her since really it was on him, and I think that's the reaction they were looking for anyway and I wasn't going to give it to them lol..

Although I will say I never gave up on trying to get to the bottom of what really happened, and months later when he was texting me saying how he had rushed things with her and wished he could make it right (regardless of whether or not he intended on following through) I may or may not have shown those texts to a mutual friend I had with this girl, and she ended up breaking up with him..

I have mars/pluto and moon/mars aspects so I definitely have strong reactions to betrayal, but in general I don't think I'm vicious about getting back at people. If anything I tend to bottle it up or let it turn into self-destruction by subconsciously seeking out volatile people or situations to surround myself with. Not that that's any less unhealthy or immature lol

But anywayyy, it might not seem relevant but have you looked at your synastry with her?? I think sometimes that can come into play even with people you don't know well... In terms of her actions towards you at least

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posted November 20, 2013 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DialecticLady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Maybe she just made mercuryflow curious about what leads to vengefulness in the chart.

Agree! Is it forbidden? I see it a lot here, people trying to figure out someone behaviour through natal chart...what's wrong?

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posted November 20, 2013 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aren't we all a little revengeful

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posted November 20, 2013 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuryflow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks everyone for all of your replies.
i deleted the original post, as i feel like i have enough placements and what not to look into.

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