posted November 21, 2013 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
If the couple is under 29 of course the relationship wont survive. And again... challenging aspects to Saturn are not the only aspects that can make the relationship fail. Even good aspects can. When its too perfect and too good, boredom comes in action. Synastry and composite is the real deal. Can tell for sure if the relationship will be for life or not. Mathematically speaking, Saturn is a planet, its connections count but not in the general way. The houses and angles that touches matters.
My point: Saturn connections are not always bad. Especially in synastry. With love and patience. Saturn is about patience and wisdom.

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Only patience and wisdom are more the property with the better Saturn aspects, such as the conjunction and the trine. With the square and especially opposition, you get resentment, pain, and simple incompatibility.

But I'm like Doux, natally I have really strong, afflicted Saturn. The last thing I need is more of the same. Give me a good Saturn trine (preferably with someone with equally strong Saturn) anyday.

posted November 21, 2013 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:
Only patience and wisdom are more the property with the better Saturn aspects, such as the conjunction and the trine. With the square and especially opposition, you get resentment, pain, and simple incompatibility.

But I'm like Doux, natally I have really strong, afflicted Saturn. The last thing I need is more of the same. Give me a good Saturn trine (preferably with someone with equally strong Saturn) anyday.

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Wrong. I have been in relationships where Sun trine Saturn. Or Venus. The most horrble experiences I have ever lived. Believe me, trines and sextile to Saturn are no blessing.

posted November 21, 2013 10:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
^ Yeah, I know! It's weird.

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I don`t think it`s weird.

HOwever I think that two astrological general things are usual needed (of course others will be important, too, depending on personality, maturity, preference and the individual chart):

1. Not too many Saturnian dynamic aspects to personal planets (espcially not if they are targeting an already tender Venus or Moon, along with harsh Uranus, Neptune or Pluto-aspects)

2. there MUST be attraction-aspects as well, and a complementarity of the natals

posted November 21, 2013 11:11 AM            

Well, I think I do.

Reason is that Saturn aspects tend to re-create our childhood dynamics (not always on a conscious level of course).
Saturn is the arechetypal "parent"... and guess who had daddy / mommy issues? Half the damn friggin', planet! Probably more, even.
Saturn is attractive at first because you can sense that the other person will give you something that no one else did... security, on a very basic level. That's why Saturn contacts tend to feel sooo safe and comfy, in the beginning at least! It's like the other person acts like a "container" for our feelings. They seem stable as a rock and don't seem to be moving anywhere... Joy! We're cared for! Yessss.
But then after some time... The "critical parent" comes out... tada. Surprise, surprise! Frustrations and annoyances become more and more frequent... clashes, coldness, grudges... the dynamics in the relationship change. It becomes less and less satisfying, and you start wondering why things aren't going well. So you're determined to "work things out" but for some reason (fear? ego?) the other person just won't compromise or make changes... not on the long-term, at least.
But you find it hard to let go because, oh what's that thing called... loyalty, yeah, that thing, is in the way. Or attachment, or a feeling of responsibility, or insecurity... Myeah. Fun times.

Get the heck outta there!! If Saturn becomes too heavy, l e a v e. Too many people hold onto things that are destined to fail.

posted November 21, 2013 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Believe me, trines and sextile to Saturn are no blessing.

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I agree with that.

Or actually I would put it that way, you can`t put up a general rule of Saturntrines:good, Saturnsquares: bad.

It doesn`t work that way - as a rule.

There is so much more that has to be taken into consideration.

What trines do, is giving a smooth flow of energy.
Squares make for a more intense exchange of energy (the aspects become "louder" ).
HOw the individual cope with it, depends on how they deal with the connected planets.

Some people actually like and need the responsibility Saturn demands.
For example: my best friend had the worst experiences ever under Uranus-aspects. Nice, smooth Uranus-aspects to Moon, Venus and Mars.
It was years ago, and I told her that it was so nice, seemed like a year she might be falling in love.

I was right. She fell in love. Hit her like a bolt out of the blue (and it was just trines and sextiles of Uranus, not even a conjunction. lol)

It was hell for her. She HATED it, the excitement, the thrill, she loathed it and was yearning for the security and stability, even what IW ould call the restriction, of Saturn.

I could never understand it, why did she not thrive on this falling in love?
(I loved Uranus on my Venus btw)

But the thing is she is not me, it is not what she wanted or felt safe with. In fact she felt very unsafe, it made her fall out of the loop, break with rules and traditions, and she is big on those.

She went on to marry a man with whom she shares a Moon-Saturn-DW (square and opposition), and she has never been happier and more confident and content in her life.

(they have been together for 13 years, so it is safe to say, it is longterm).

She married him when Tr Saturn was going through her 1st house, squaring her Moon, and naturally their marriage chart has a Saturn-Moon-square as well (albeit widely at 5 degrees)

posted November 21, 2013 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Wrong. I have been in relationships where Sun trine Saturn. Or Venus. The most horrible experiences I have ever lived. Believe me, trines and sextile to Saturn are no blessing.

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If it went that wrong, you can bet it wasn't Saturn trines and sextiles that did it. You'd need to look further. But you already know that, right?

posted November 21, 2013 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Yeah, I don't think it's weird, actually... I said that in the heat of the moment but I know exactly why people are attracted to Saturn in synastry.

Well, I think I do.

Reason is that Saturn aspects tend to re-create our childhood dynamics (not always on a conscious level of course).
Saturn is the arechetypal "parent"... and guess who had daddy / mommy issues? Half the damn friggin', planet! Probably more, even.
Saturn is attractive at first because you can sense that the other person will give you something that no one else did... security, on a very basic level. That's why Saturn contacts tend to feel sooo safe and comfy, in the beginning at least! It's like the other person acts like a "container" for our feelings. They seem stable as a rock and don't seem to be moving anywhere... Joy! We're cared for! Yessss.
But then after some time... The "critical parent" comes out... tada. Surprise, surprise! Frustrations and annoyances become more and more frequent... clashes, coldness, grudges... the dynamics in the relationship change. It becomes less and less satisfying, and you start wondering why things aren't going well. So you're determined to "work things out" but for some reason (fear? ego?) the other person just won't compromise or make changes... not on the long-term, at least.
But you find it hard to let go because, oh what's that thing called... loyalty, yeah, that thing, is in the way. Or attachment, or a feeling of responsibility, or insecurity... Myeah. Fun times.

Get the heck outta there!! If Saturn becomes too heavy, l e a v e. Too many people hold onto things that are destined to fail.

/preachingover

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Yes, I have seen it sometimes go this way.

And no, I have also seen relationships with heavy Saturn influence who did not.

Saturn is the point where you have to face (your) reality. It depends if you want to do that, to be brought face to face, even with the things you might not really want to see about yourself, the world or another person.

Do you REALLY want to commit to a relatioship, person or idea? Stick with it for the long haul? I mean do you R E A L L Y want that? I suppose less people actually really want that than they might think.

It is easy to say we want to commit, but Saturn demands visible demonstration of comitment.

posted November 21, 2013 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:
If it went that wrong, you can bet it wasn't Saturn trines and sextiles that did it. You'd need to look further. But you already know that, right?

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I actually agree with this...

Trines and sextiles wouldn't do harm, uh-uh.
Gotta be something else.

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posted October 15, 2016 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
....which reminds me - your Saturn is doing a number on me in the synastry.
I'm onto you, doodlebug!

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LOL