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Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 2219 From: Registered: Mar 2011	posted November 26, 2013 02:58 PM quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: Traditionally it is the house of sex and children. Fifth house is a courting house. It's fun dates you do as a teenager with the one you will eventually marry. How much success you have depends on what's going on in the fifth. You do realize sex has always been assigned to the eighth house in every single book I have ever read? So, why would you go backwards to the fifth after having sex in the eighth to have children. Next logical step is to the eighth with your shared resources between you and your partner. You do realize children are kinda like a shared resource between two people. It takes two, a man and woman, to create them and you know how people feel about them being married. Most would prefer they be that way before procreating, right? Or, do you believe in single parenting? I'm gonna tell you something funny. I never read an astrology book. I don't know what other astrologers write in their books. Everything I know about astrology comes solely from my knowledge. How is that possible? INSIGHT. I don't need astrology books to do astrology. I need my mind. Now, what you are saying... I've never heard before in my life and I don't know who possibly wrote those things so I can't truly agree of disagree with you. Yet, in my opinion and experience everything goes as I said. 5th house is children. 8th house sex and legacies. I have studied thousand of charts and the pattern is the same. The native's life is the same as the chart says. IP: Logged
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 5795 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012	posted November 26, 2013 03:04 PM I do not believe for one minute you have read that sex is in house five. I have never in my life heard such a thing until I read it here. I have always read that procreation is part of the eight life sector and I find it ironic you accuse me of reinventing astrology when this is the only place I have ever read sexual activity being part of the fifth house. I have read children are a part of the fifth but completely disagree since procreation occurs in the eighth it doesn't seem logical children would be in the fifth, a house that is before marriage in the chart. IP: Logged
JudyVanTassel Knowflake Posts: 268 From: The Moon Registered: Nov 2013	posted November 26, 2013 03:14 PM I agree with the thing that 8 hose is procreation as well, it makes sense to me. BUT, what i always known as well is that the 5H is as you said, fun, etc etc. But it is your creations too, creations, your children, or if you are an artist and for example you paint, your paint is your creation and you love your creations like your children, that is why 5H is related to children as well, i know the order (as StarlightSmileSupreme said) will be not correct, but i still think the 5H means your children as well. IP: Logged
JudyVanTassel Knowflake Posts: 268 From: The Moon Registered: Nov 2013	posted November 26, 2013 03:15 PM It means what kind of children, more or less what will be prominent in them IP: Logged
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 2219 From: Registered: Mar 2011	posted November 26, 2013 03:17 PM quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: I do not believe for one minute you have read that sex is in house five. I have never in my life heard such a thing until I read it here. I have always read that procreation is part of the eight life sector and I find it ironic you accuse me of reinventing astrology when this is the only place I have ever read sexual activity being part of the fifth house. I have read children are a part of the fifth but completely disagree since procreation occurs in the eighth it doesn't seem logical children would be in the fifth, a house that is before marriage in the chart. Having children only after MARRIAGE isnt a rule. That is for really religious people. Astrology is a free science and when it was invented marriage didnt exist yet. Religion either. Astrology has to do with the Universe. Marriage is a man creation not Gods. Before any religion could exist, people lived in coabitation and had children. And astrology and tarot and other things like that were in those times. Forbidden but still there. Every astrologer in this world took and followed the first principes of astrology. And btw. We call and consider 7th house as marriage house but in fact the 7th house is the house of partnerships. Of ANY KIND. Not just marriage. IP: Logged
JudyVanTassel Knowflake Posts: 268 From: The Moon Registered: Nov 2013	posted November 26, 2013 03:27 PM And the 7 is the house of enemies as well. Marriage, partnership of any kind, and enemies. IP: Logged
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 5795 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012	posted November 26, 2013 04:46 PM quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: Having children only after MARRIAGE isnt a rule. That is for really religious people. Astrology is a free science and when it was invented marriage didnt exist yet. Religion either. Astrology has to do with the Universe. Marriage is a man creation not Gods. Before any religion could exist, people lived in coabitation and had children. And astrology and tarot and other things like that were in those times. Forbidden but still there. Every astrologer in this world took and followed the first principes of astrology. And btw. We call and consider 7th house as marriage house but in fact the 7th house is the house of partnerships. Of ANY KIND. Not just marriage. You need a PARTNER to have children. Even without a partner you still need one egg and one sperm to produce a zygote and it requires a partnership of some kind, might not be a traditional one but you need two people you cannot find these two necessary ingredients in one person. All this is in the eighth house. Even people who choose to conceive by ultra modern methods can be found in their eighth, petri dish, for example. Fifth house is purely innocent courtship like behavior. IP: Logged
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 2219 From: Registered: Mar 2011	posted November 26, 2013 04:57 PM quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Rosalind: [b] Having children only after MARRIAGE isnt a rule. That is for really religious people. Astrology is a free science and when it was invented marriage didnt exist yet. Religion either. Astrology has to do with the Universe. Marriage is a man creation not Gods. Before any religion could exist, people lived in coabitation and had children. And astrology and tarot and other things like that were in those times. Forbidden but still there. Every astrologer in this world took and followed the first principes of astrology. And btw. We call and consider 7th house as marriage house but in fact the 7th house is the house of partnerships. Of ANY KIND. Not just marriage. You need a PARTNER to have children. Even without a partner you still need one egg and one sperm to produce a zygote and it requires a partnership of some kind, might not be a traditional one but you need two people you cannot find these two necessary ingredients in one person. All this is in the eighth house. Even people who choose to conceive by ultra modern methods can be found in their eighth, petri dish, for example. Fifth house is purely innocent courtship like behavior.[/B][/QUOTE] You can get that partner from 4th house. Innocent courtship? Like in kindergarten with pecks on the cheek? Seriously now. You are saying silly things and you sound like a person who's obsessed with marriage. Understand that astrology does work the way you say. Nothing makes sense. Neither in Vedic I've encountered the things you say. IP: Logged
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 5795 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012	posted November 26, 2013 05:25 PM quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: You can get that partner from 4th house. Innocent courtship? Like in kindergarten with pecks on the cheek? Seriously now. You are saying silly things and you sound like a person who's obsessed with marriage. Understand that astrology does work the way you say. Nothing makes sense. Neither in Vedic I've encountered the things you say. Come on, you know as well as I there is no partner in the fourth house. Fourth is the house of your childhood, family before marriage and the parents who raised you as well as birth parents, if they are different, both sets can be seen here. Your serious partner doesn't show up until the seventh. The fifth can be compared to a pretty teenage girl who has several local boys interested in dating her. She goes to the movies with one and then on a different night, out to eat with another. She is trying to decide which, if any, she is interested in seeing on a regular basis. Out of this, a serious partner could appear, but she must go through the fifth house stuff first to find out who she wants to be with. A limited courtship or no courtship could be indicated here. How much fun and carefree enjoyment one has while young. Some people do not experience this while others have too much and do not develop into responsible adults. This is where you find the Peter Pan Syndromed, in house five. The fifth and sixth houses are purely innocent. The fifth is the courting, dating, getting to know others in a social setting kinda thing young people go through. It can also be a period of not dating at all and simply experiencing life, kinda like what Amish kids do, so they can figure out what it is they want to do. It is not where they are busy worrying about serious matters and all those responsibilities concerning that. Libra, Scorpio, Capricorn and their houses are concerned with this. The house of Leo is a truly care free place. When you get to the sixth house, this is where you begin your journey into adulthood, although you are not there yet. This is where you prepare. Vocational training of all kinds can be found here. If your parents are wealthy and respected in the community, you might be able to skip this house, you might not be learning a vocation. Instead you will go to college and become a professional, so the sixth house, the chores and mundane experience will not be a major part of your life while others will spend a great deal of time in preparation, it's a matter of circumstances. Seventh house is the marriage or whatever you want to call it, depending on what you do. Some will have a big, fancy wedding in the historic Presbyterian church downtown. Others will go to the courthouse. You might not even have a wedding. Maybe it's just moving in together? Whenever two people experience some kind of serious bond, it's seventh house material and you can see by the house if there will be a big fancy ceremony or just one person staying overnight more and more with another until they are living together. Seventh house tells you what they prefer, traditional, dramatic, ceremonial, quiet gathering, courthouse, common law. Whatever. Everything you want to know about their attitude toward partnerships and what they most likely will experience. What they prefer. Tension they could have. Finally eighth house is the first shared family house where the couple want to begin their family. Maybe they do not want to begin theirs and just remain a couple forever. Maybe they want to adopt? Maybe there's fertility problems. You can gain insight by observing what sign is on the cusp, any planets therein or house rulers. This is where everything they share and what the person will gain through partnerships. What if a woman has Sagittarius on the cusp of eighth and Jupiter is conjunct her descendant ruler in the second house? She finds a multi millionaire, marries him, stays together ten years, then divorces and gains half his earnings and the business they started together. You can see that by looking at Sagittarius on eighth. She has gained materially through her partnership. This is part of eighth house also, what she gains from her partnership and what the couple creates together. So you see, eighth house is everything the couple brings to their partnership and also what they create together, including any offspring. IP: Logged
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 2219 From: Registered: Mar 2011	posted November 26, 2013 05:39 PM 11th house is the house of adopted children or the partner's children. Seriously, you make NO sense. People who live in cohabitation have a strong 4th house in synastry and composite. Advice: never tell again a person to trust you. Especially to me.I trust no one. Only myself and my knowledge. IP: Logged
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 5795 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012	posted November 26, 2013 05:42 PM quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: 11th house is the house of adopted children or the partner's children. Seriously, you make NO sense. People who live in cohabitation have a strong 4th house in synastry and composite. Advice: never tell again a person to trust you. Especially to me.I trust no one. Only myself and my knowledge. Why would you think eleventh house is adopted children? I do not see the connection but whatever. And many people here in Lindaland have shown many examples of synastry involving the eighth house over and over. Haven't you been paying attention? SMH Look, I just offer insight and people either like it, which some do or others, like you, hate it. Nobody can please all the people all the time. IP: Logged
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 2219 From: Registered: Mar 2011	posted November 26, 2013 05:52 PM quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Rosalind: [b]11th house is the house of adopted children or the partner's children. Seriously, you make NO sense. People who live in cohabitation have a strong 4th house in synastry and composite. Advice: never tell again a person to trust you. Especially to me.I trust no one. Only myself and my knowledge. Why would you think eleventh house is adopted children? I do not see the connection but whatever. And many people here in Lindaland have shown many examples of synastry involving the eighth house over and over. Haven't you been paying attention? SMH Look, I just offer insight and people either like it, which some do or others, like you, hate it. Nobody can please all the people all the time. [/B][/QUOTE] Because its the opposite of the 5th which represents the biological children. 8th house synastry: attraction, sex, obsession, passion, emotional depth. No offense but are you really trying to reinvent astrology? Give some sources from where did you get the info. Last advice: don't try to teach me things. I teach people if they want to learn. I already learned what I need to know to be an astrologer. IP: Logged
Leocassandra Knowflake Posts: 365 From: Poland Registered: Jan 2013	posted November 26, 2013 05:53 PM 5th,9th house method isn't always working but in my mother's case it does. 5th house in Aries-my older brother Sun sign is Aries. 9th house in Leo-my Sun sign Leo. IP: Logged
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 2219 From: Registered: Mar 2011	posted November 26, 2013 05:55 PM quote: Originally posted by Leocassandra: 5th,9th house method isn't always working but in my mother's case it does. 5th house in Aries-my older brother Sun sign is Aries. 9th house in Leo-my Sun sign Leo. On th contrary. Its damn accurate. IP: Logged
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 5795 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012	posted November 26, 2013 05:58 PM quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: Because its the opposite of the 5th which represents the biological children. 8th house synastry: attraction, sex, obsession, passion, emotional depth. No offense but are you really trying to reinvent astrology? Give some sources from where did you get the info. Last advice: don't try to teach me things. I teach people if they want to learn. I already learned what I need to know to be an astrologer. Oh just stop. I have thought about all the astrology I have read and this is what I choose to follow. I will always put the offspring in the house of procreation and, for me, that will ALWAYS be the eighth house, NEVER the fifth and it will always be shared possessions and creations between two people who consider themselves together, this even extends to any children they adopt together. Fine, you don't agree. That's your prerogative. Don't expect me to bow down to what you believe when I have read same as you, have taken the time to think about, contemplate, and have come up with something that has validity and makes sense when you look at how the house system is constructed. IP: Logged
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 2219 From: Registered: Mar 2011	posted November 26, 2013 06:00 PM quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: Oh just stop. I have thought about all the astrology I have read and this is what I choose to follow. I will always put the offspring in the house of procreation and, for me, that will ALWAYS be the eighth house, NEVER the fifth and it will always be shared possessions and creations between two people who consider themselves together, this even extends to any children they adopt together. Fine, you don't agree. That's your prerogative. Don't expect me to bow down to what you believe when I have read same as you, have taken the time to think about, contemplate, and have come up with something that has validity and makes sense when you look at how the house system is constructed. I said I haven't read an astrology book in my life. Didn't you pay attention? No. IP: Logged
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 5795 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012	posted November 26, 2013 06:05 PM quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: I said I haven't read an astrology book in my life. Didn't you pay attention? No. Now I know you aren't being serious and you are content to argue for the sake of arguing. Someone at some point has to read something in order to know anything about astrology. Were you born knowing with the great fortune of having an astrology laced microchip implanted in your CNS in utero? By reading, I mean Google, too, not just books. You could have been taught by someone who read but the knowledge originated in a book somewhere at some point, even if it made it into web sites, eventually. The info came from a book and you managed to obtain it either by reading or listening. IP: Logged
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 2219 From: Registered: Mar 2011	posted November 26, 2013 06:07 PM quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: Now I know you aren't being serious and you are content to argue for the sake of arguing. Someone at some point has to read something in order to know anything about astrology. Were you born knowing with the great fortune of having an astrology laced microchip implanted in your CNS in utero? By reading, I mean Google, too, not just books. You could have been taught by someone who read but the knowledge originated in a book somewhere at some point, even if it made it into web sites, eventually. The info came from a book and you managed to obtain it either by reading or listening. I was taught computers not astrology. What makes you think I'm not serious? Google is useless by the way. IP: Logged
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 5795 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012	posted November 26, 2013 06:17 PM quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: I was taught computers not astrology. What makes you think I'm not serious? Google is useless by the way. Okay fine you got your knowledge from the Great-Flying-Spaghetti-Monster. My apologies for not figuring it out sooner. IP: Logged
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 2219 From: Registered: Mar 2011	posted November 26, 2013 06:18 PM quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: Okay fine you got your knowledge from the Great-Flying-Spaghetti-Monster. My apologies for not figuring it out sooner. Come with sources from your knowledge and I will come with mine. IP: Logged
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 5795 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012	posted November 26, 2013 06:23 PM quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: Come with sources from your knowledge and I will come with mine. Numerous books, online sources, anything I can get my hands on, and then my own deductions based on intuition and what I like best. And before you argue back and say it's useless, I give you permission to disagree. IP: Logged

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