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PixieJane
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posted November 28, 2013 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by summerlite:
Nothing against you but this is all just argumentative tone to me.

Just because someone does not actively pander to you doesn't make them argumentative or aggressive. Just because they don't grant your views and ideas special privileges over all other ideas and people doesn't mean we therefore look down on you. That is something you don't understand (at least if you're like the others I've noticed who said what you said and so far I have no reason to believe otherwise, especially as you agree with someone who paints us as the most unpleasant people in bigoted blanket statements and don't think THAT'S argumentative or aggressive but that my response somehow is). And it's true that Libra prefers many points of views and likes to balance ideas on their metaphoric scales which some people consider threatening and/or offensive and/or unfair (for refusing to be unfair in their favor). Some appreciate Libra for this very reason while others such as yourself do not.

Maybe for your next trick you'll agree with someone who says blacks are angry loud mouth lying, manipulative two-faced jerks (though apologizes in advance for anyone offended by his offensive statements and he's friends with a black guy, really!) and when someone replies saying that as someone black he's found that people who said that usually popped an obnoxious attitude with black people first you'll say "nothing personal" but you find that black guy argumentative and agree with the bigot. It's pretty much what you've done in this thread only against a sign instead of a race.

And btw, I've never defamed an entire sign or placement here on LL, I've always said there's good & bad both to be found everywhere in every sign and placement (and in some cases give allowances for a certain trait or tendency due to a placement that I otherwise might have a lot less patience for), whereas earthypisces and yourself say Libra is despicable. And yet you think I'm the off putting one?

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Originally posted by summerlite:
I doubt Libras realise how off-putting that can be

i agree with earthypisces by the way


I realize how off putting it can be to people like you who can't handle that other people consider other views & types of people just as worthy of being heard, just as you think someone defaming me is fine but somehow "off putting" to then pick up those tossed stones and throw them back (at the individual rather than sign). Of course you believe we're unpleasant, lying, manipulative and/or argumentative because we don't just silently agree and take the bigoted abuse, that you have the right to dish it out but that we're also bad if we serve your own medicine back to you (btw, note it's directed at you and earthypisces as individuals and not a sign)...and I'm fine with that because you're just as off putting to me.

Plenty of people enjoy my company and because I don't demand others give me and my ideas special privilege (though I don't tolerate being attacked either) and because I can give people a chance rather than rejecting them out of hand for things like astrological placements probably means I get a long with far more people than you do, and they are important to me while bigots such as yourself and earthypisces are not. And I much rather bigots like you stay far away from me...which can be a "win-win" for both of us.

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posted November 29, 2013 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for infinite.nebula     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra=awsome debater! Usually. My fathers a Libra he is a pro at seeing both sides of the coin. Very fair. Although sometimes my Aries moon might disagree that its not fair to "me". Some "stereotypes" are not really stereotypes in this case its astrology and a bunch of knowledge collected over time. Which is why i love this site. Debate discuss and learn from unasked questions or from others with the knowledge and enthusiasm to teach.

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posted November 29, 2013 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libras love to argue, bicker and debate.

Virgo's number one myth: they love to clean. Wrong on so many levels. Virgos like others to clean, more like, while we zone out in front of the t.v.

Venus in Leo wants attention. Not exactly. We, sometimes, get too much attention through no fault of our own and try to cope with it best we can. Attention is not always such a good thing.

Jupiter conjunct ascendant indicates obesity. Nope.

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posted November 29, 2013 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I definitely disagree with the venus in leo wanting attention. I absolutely hate it when all attention is on me!

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posted November 29, 2013 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I realize how off putting it can be to people like you who can't handle that other people consider other views & types of people just as worthy of being heard, just as you think someone defaming me is fine but somehow "off putting" to then pick up those tossed stones and throw them back (at the individual rather than sign). Of course you believe we're unpleasant, lying, manipulative and/or argumentative because we don't just silently agree and take the bigoted abuse, that you have the right to dish it out but that we're also bad if we serve your own medicine back to you (btw, note it's directed at you and earthypisces as individuals and not a sign)...and I'm fine with that because you're just as off putting to me.

Plenty of people enjoy my company and because I don't demand others give me and my ideas special privilege (though I don't tolerate being attacked either) and because I can give people a chance rather than rejecting them out of hand for things like astrological placements probably means I get a long with far more people than you do, and they are important to me while bigots such as yourself and earthypisces are not. And I much rather bigots like you stay far away from me...which can be a "win-win" for both of us.


wow that is the worst argument i've read. Why even bring RACE to this discussion?

I am not even racist and you just came up with this unrelated example suggesting that i might add an insult over African Americans buffering the effects with a casual mention of "no offense". Who is the one being rude here? Why would I even do that to them? How is skin colour/racism even related to this discussion?

You are the one who took things personally and then manipulated words to make it look like you're a victim.

That's what earthypisces was saying. That's what I was agreeing to. That's what you just did and let me tell you, it is disgusting.

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posted November 29, 2013 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I brought race to it because saying all people are a certain way is the same thing ethically speaking (whether it's "genes do it" or "stars do it"), you can't say "don't stereotype all black people that way, but you CAN stereotype all Libras that way." Neither of you are describing individuals, you're putting down an entire sun sign, and not with a "annoying sometimes" you've dredged up the worst things you could think of. And it's done in the same exact style as racists & homophobes and you're now reacting exactly as they do when they get challenged.

It's not like you said "I just don't get along with them, we just never click" or anything like that it's more like "they're lying, manipulative, evil." You brought it up, you started it, earthypisces even tried to evade responsibility for her words (nice try), and now you don't like it when someone gives you another point of view because you believe you and and those who think like you are special, and Libra won't put up with that, and that's why you can't stand us.

And gods, YOU say how off putting I am and don't even know it in addition to backing what earthypisces said which was far worse, but when I say I find you off putting I'm disgusting? Once again you dish it out but when I give it back--to you who deserves it, not those who share your sign--you act all offended and prove that you can't take what you dish out, which just provides a clear example of what I said before, so I guess I should thank you for that.

Not everyone dislikes Libra, it's that you don't like people who who won't let you get away with your hypocritical double standards and nastiness which many Libras will not do.

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posted November 29, 2013 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i didn't shame Libra.

You did.

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posted November 29, 2013 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by summerlite:
i didn't shame Libra.

You did.


Save I'm an individual with many placements not shared by others with my sun sign. But such distinctions are beyond the ability of bigots like you to understand.

And you have shamed yourself. I expect you'll do it again before long.

And of course you can't point out anything I said that was worse in words or spirit than you or earthypisces I responded to. (Don't try, Libra won't let you get away with your double standards which is the real reason why you hate us.)

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posted November 29, 2013 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The most cancer people I've know aren't emotional at all, they are kinda like leos, but the reserved leos.. I can really feel the mask of coldness that a lot of cancers put on, I bet they are more caring and nice when you are alone or close to them. But in real life I think they really sucks hard, they always look mad and unapproachable, and they talk loudly and try to fake to be arrogant and indifferent.

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posted November 29, 2013 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*sigh* I am a Cancer and I have been told I have a shield up. The reason I do it is to protect myself because you can never tell with people anymore. I have met many two faced and back stabbing people of different signs. I am just protecting myself. I am definitely not an arrogant or loud person.

I also realize you donèt mean all cancers but what you have just experienced. I just wanted to explain why I do it.

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posted February 05, 2014 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturiann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People on this thread are getting offended? I thought it was a thread about stereotypes lol.

I agree with many above who say Libras are anything but diplomatic but more manipulative and two faced. Their diplomacy is often a facade generated for their manipulative desperation in wanting to be popular and loved by all. All in all very ugly people at times rather then the stereotype of beauty and geniality.

Aquarians can be very self absorbed and desperate for attention, almost as if their uniqueness is more like a "HEY LOOK AT ME, I HAVE OPPOSING VIEW POINTS", and their humanitarianism a front for trying to make more friends or a wider social network.

I've met Pisces who have been anything BUT sympathetic. Very rude and not compassionate at all.

I've met Aries people who let themselves get walked all over by others and have no voice, their Arian selves only displaying in their primitiveness.

Gemini is apparently known for being an "intellectual" sign, but most geminis I've known are absolute ditz's who can never stfu.

Hope nobody gets offended the context of the natal chart is always more complex and nobody is representative of just one sign, none of this is meant to be personal towards any one person or planet but rather a superficial observation of archetypes.

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posted February 05, 2014 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturiann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oops this is an old post LOL

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posted February 05, 2014 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Jupiter conjunct ascendant indicates obesity. Nope.


Whaaat? I'm cancer ascendant conjunct jupiter (but wide though)
And I cannot gain weight, and I have been on the slim side always

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posted February 05, 2014 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Canadiangirl:
*sigh* I am a Cancer and I have been told I have a shield up. The reason I do it is to protect myself because you can never tell with people anymore. I have met many two faced and back stabbing people of different signs. I am just protecting myself. I am definitely not an arrogant or loud person.

I also realize you donèt mean all cancers but what you have just experienced. I just wanted to explain why I do it.


Ups, though it's an old thread I want to answer this..
I know how you feel that people backstap you, cause cancers can also be a bit naive…I've seen cancers so many times put up this guard, and when they finally fall for someone it's always the wrong person….typically!

But you should always be nice to people, no matter if you think they are not for real, cause usually you cannot tell at first meeting anyways…and cancers are always reserved and cold when first meeting people

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posted February 05, 2014 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moon is Lunatic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
…and cancers are always reserved and cold when first meeting people

I'll blame that on my Cap Asc.

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posted February 05, 2014 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a little disclaimer these are all just my opinions from personal experiences and from what I've seen myself. If I hurt your feelings or upset you that's not at all what I intended. I love every sign of the zodiac!

Virgos are not perfect! If it were possible to be perfect we'd all be. What makes them think they're the "chosen" ones and live there whole lives trying to be!? Lol. They're always trying to tell people how they should do things or try coaching a person to be better when they're none of those things themselves. . They're not saints or priests, yet act like they're the purest people around. They are not better than anyone else yet have this attitude that they are God's gifts on earth lol. They're the shallow ones of the zodiac.

Leo's hair isn't always big and they aren't always attractive. Lol I've seen more ugly than not in real life.
They absolutely hate getting old and they are the least confident people that I've known.

Cancers are a heck of a lot meaner than they are emotional. They are extremely cold and almost lifeless especially when they're upset or mad. They have issues with trying to parent everyone.

Gemini's are not as well liked as they think. They are just as annoying as Libras and self consumed like Leo's. They are the fakest people of the zodiac.

Taurus' are not as womanly as mother Venus would like them to be. They can wear makeup and nice, pretty clothes but almost always act tomboyish. Even in a dress, legs completely open and their underwear showing. Whereas the men are just the biggest girls. Lol

Aries aren't as tough as people make them out to be. They're the most sensitive from what I've seen. Yes they'll tell you how they feel about something and immediately start crying afterwards. They are the funniest people of the zodiac in my opinion!

Pisces are crazy!!

Aquarius' are way too judgemental and assuming. They're oddly quite and shy when around new people.

Capricorns are liars! They do and say things for attention, even if the whole story is completely fabricated. When you burn them or hurt them they hold it against you for the rest of their lives. Extreme sensitivity!

Sagittarius' are not as adventurous and fun as they are always described. They're the most boring bunch that I've been around. They have multiple personality disorder! Complete maniacs when they're p**sed off or upset.

Scorpios are not sexy at all and they're eyes aren't that pretty or deep as they're described. I would have to agree that they're pretty nerdy and look so malnourished. They get creepy quiet when around people.

Now my favorite one Libras! There are more unattractive ones that I've seen far more than beautiful ones. They're loud and obnoxious and think that everybody likes them when just like their brother Gemini, people don't give a s**t. They're in between washer board thin and extremely overweight. They have no idea who or what they want to be in life so instead try becoming the people they're around. They are the aggressors of the zodiac!

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posted February 05, 2014 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:

Virgos are not perfect! If it were possible to be perfect we'd all be. What makes them think they're the "chosen" ones and live there whole lives trying to be!? Lol. They're always trying to tell people how they should do things or try coaching a person to be better when they're none of those things themselves. . They're not saints or priests, yet act like they're the purest people around. They are not better than anyone else yet have this attitude that they are God's gifts on earth lol. They're the shallow ones of the zodiac.

I'm not perfect?! What?! This is absurd!

You hurt my Virgo feelings

Lol, jk

I have Sun conjunct Chiron, so I am a Virgo with a higher destiny! Lol, jk... Maybe

How have you been, by the way?

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posted February 05, 2014 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I'm not perfect?! What?! This is absurd!

You hurt my Virgo feelings

Lol, jk

I have Sun conjunct Chiron, so I am a Virgo with a higher destiny! Lol, jk... Maybe

How have you been, by the way?


Lol I've been awesooooome, how have you been!?

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posted February 05, 2014 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeonisStar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
^ Agreed.

-

Oh, I know.


Leo Suns and confidence.

A lot of Leo Suns (that I've known personally) appear confident but aren't really when you get to know them on a more personal level.

I suppose that goes for a lot of people, though.

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teasel,

You're beautiful, I remember.


Relevant to my life lol

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posted February 05, 2014 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These signs CAN have the tendency to be:

-Aries can be really impulsive. I don't mind it too much, though. As long as they don't get too nasty. Their competitive attitude clouds their judgement when in a debate.

-Tauruses are very lazy and too practical that it's then considered impractical.

-Geminis love to make you feel bad with constant criticism, it's entertaining to them. They can also give you the cold shoulder to make you feel bad for awhile.
And you already know they're two-faced

-Cancers are too clingy. That bothers and annoys me very much, but I feel bad and want them to feel better, so I guess I can deal with it. They are also very moody and are SUPER biased about family. I hate it!
"Mom! My friend just got hit by a car!"
Cancer - "Are you alright! Are you hurt!"
"No Mom, my friend is, though, but thanks -.-"

-Leo... you already know the superiority complex about them, lol.
Ego-driven and will do anything to become popular, especially by making fun of people.

-Virgos have superiority complexes as well. Virgo can be more of a prankster/trickster than Gemini, trust me.
When you talk to them, talk very carefully with perfect grammar and rather advanced words, so that they DO NOT correct you or correct your basic words with more advanced and specific ones.

-Libras are EXTREMELY contradictory. They are super lazy and more fickle-minded than Gemini. One thing that you cannot deny is that they like everything fair... Well, at least when they aren't involved, because then they have to have it better, lol.
But I feel that Libra is hated on here a lot. They are people, too, you know. They aren't perfect, they can be selfish like all signs

-Scorpios are too much about revenge, that they lose sight as to what they were angry about in the first place... and it was probably about how someone didn't say hello to them while walking past them in the hallway in school... for only once!

-Sagittarius are sooo honest and blunt that they will straight tell their family members that they hate them or not love them... and mean it too! If they robbed a bank, they will probably tell the truth if questioned by a police officer when on the run... just so that they can be honest and have a cat and mouse game with them!

-Capricorns can be really selfish and are over obsessive about their career as if they will live forever. Chill!
They can also be so matter-of-fact in their thinking and conversations that they start to sound like they cannot think of anything on their own or find deeper meaning to it.

-Aquarians have superiority complexes, selfish and do not care for the world.
They try too hard to be different, that they are then just like everyone else.

(This Virgo cares for the world, though! )

-Pisces can be very illogical. They can be so delusional that they start to believe their imaginations are real and tell people about them and use them in the real world as if they were fact.

Sorry if these offend anyone. If it does, that means you're like that and cannot handle the truth, if not, then you're good

By the way - I could have went much harder and in depth, TRUST ME... but I will probably be hated on here for that if I'm not already, lol.

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posted February 05, 2014 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Lol I've been awesooooome, how have you been!?

That's great!
How about DeepFreeze?
How's it been going with you and him?

I've been okay, thanks for asking

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posted February 05, 2014 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
These signs CAN have the tendency to be:

-Aries can be really impulsive. I don't mind it too much, though. As long as they don't get too nasty. Their competitive attitude clouds their judgement when in a debate.

-Tauruses are very lazy and too practical that it's then considered impractical.

-Geminis love to make you feel bad with constant criticism, it's entertaining to them. They can also give you the cold shoulder to make you feel bad for awhile.
And you already know they're two-faced

-Cancers are too clingy. That bothers and annoys me very much, but I feel bad and want them to feel better, so I guess I can deal with it. They are also very moody and are SUPER biased about family. I hate it!

"Mom! My friend just got hit by a car!"
Cancer - "Are you alright!"

-You already know the superiority complex about Leos, lol.
Ego-driven and will do anything to become popular, especially by making fun of people.

-Virgos have superiority complexes as well. Virgo can be more of a prankster/trickster than Gemini, trust me.
When you talk to them, talk very carefully with perfect grammar and rather advanced words, so that they DO NOT correct you or correct your basic words with more advanced and specific ones.

-Libras are EXTREMELY contradictory. They are super lazy and more fickle than Gemini.
But I feel that Libra is hated on here a lot. They are people, too, you know. They aren't perfect, they can be selfish like all signs.

-Scorpios are too much about revenge, that they lose sight as to what they were angry about in the first place... and it was probably about how someone didn't say hello to them while walking past them in the hallway in school... for only once!

-Sagittarius are sooo honest and blunt that they will straight tell their family members that they hate them or not love them... and mean it too! If they robbed a bank, they will probably tell the truth if questioned by a police officer when on the run... just so that they can be honest and have a cat and mouse game with them!

Capricorns can be really selfish and are over obsessive about their career as if they will live forever. Chill!
They can also be so matter-of-fact in their thinking and conversations that they start to sound like they cannot think of anything on their own or find deeper meaning to it.

-Aquarians have superiority complexes, selfish and do not care for the world.
They try to hard to be different, that they are then just like everyone else.

(This Virgo cares for the world, though! )

-Pisces can be very illogical. They can be so delusional that they start to believe their imaginations are real and tell people about them and use them in the real world as if they were fact.

Sorry if these offend anyone. If it does, that means you're like that and cannot handle the truth, if not, then you're good

By the way - I could have went much harder and in depth, TRUST ME... but I will probably be hated on here for that if I'm not already, lol.


Did you write all these? Awesome!

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posted February 05, 2014 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Did you write all these? Awesome!

Yeah, lol.
Thanks

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posted February 05, 2014 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you want to look at astrology/people from a stereotypical viewpoint, the "harsh truth" is... your only going to scratch the surface and make a whole lot of judgments. A chart is so complex, you can't base people how they act/appear on any one factor... Also a sun sign will act differently according to the different houses its in, as with all the planets, and the aspects being made...

Cancer's would initially seem withdrawn to most, if you understood the basics of the sign of the crab, who carries it's home on it's back so it can retreat into its hard outer shell whenever it feels threatened.. which is a lot as it's emotions are as ever changing as the ocean which is also its home, and the moon, with it's constant ebb and flow, push and pull, give and take...
It's not that they are cold, but it's terrifying to show so much emotion and bleed so much in a world where a lot of people do not feel as much...

Libra's can see all sides of an issue, when most think they are being two faced it's not actually that, it's that they literally can see and agree with both sides, whatever their own personal bias is, much like a judge in a courtroom...

Scorpio being stereotyped as "sexy and magnetic" to me is merely being interpreted the wrong way. Obviously not everyone is going to find all Scorpio's, rising or dominated people attractive, everyone has their own tastes and finds different things attractive. To me what it really means is that Scorpios are the most obsessed about sex, whether or not it is outwardly expressed, we think about sex the most, maybe even want it the most but in a deep and emotional way, def not flings/orgies. And as for magnetic, I see it as how with a magnetic, it's the polar ends that attract, magnetic doesn't mean people are drawn to Scorpios because they LIKE them, Scorpios are usually loved or hated but not ignored which is the true meaning of magnetic. Not everything attracted to a magnet necessarily wants to be stuck there and the magnet may not have meant to attract a particular item, but drawn together they are nonetheless. I would also have to say that it's not necessarily that we are secretive/hide ourselves, it's that when I have revealed and been my true self, most people simply can't handle the intensity of what I think or feel and reject me for it, so I "hide" a part of myself out of respect for the people who can't handle such depth and don't want to be a part of it, but am totally willing to be %100 open and honest and myself with anyone who can handle it and shows me that they respect me for showing my true self.
As for Scorpio's being overweight, I couldn't disagree more, every Scorpio sun I know is thin.

But as this is a thread about stereotyping I suppose deeper comments aren't really needed. If look at anything from a stereotypical viewpoint you are going to get just that:
a conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image (one that obviously does not reflect the deeper complexities of what is really going on)

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It's usually shallow if you feel the need to ***** about 12 signs.

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