posted November 30, 2013 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I envy you that you know it so well.

So how has this played a role in your relationship with your mother over time? If I may ask..?

Have you, together, conquered some of its challenges?
Are there many, specifically 12th house challenges that you two just never have been able to resolve?
Has it brought you closer?

Sorry if I'm asking too many questions. I just want to learn and try to understand it too.

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posted November 30, 2013 12:55 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
From my experience, being familiar with twelfth house energy doesn't really make much of a difference. If you are familiar with it, your instincts make you more wary of it. You know that feeling. You run.

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I ran when I first met my husband. I did give him very good reason not to trust me, and we separated for a time (but called each other every day, in spite of the fact that I was dating other people).

I had to get over the freak out mode of experiencing something far deeper and spiritually valid than anything I had ever referred to as "love" (including many 12th house relationships). It was terrifying, honestly.
But I pushed through the obstacles I had set up for myself, and we made it through. That was when Pluto had come around to square my Venus again, which put me in a completely different space as far as my concept of what a relationship should look like.

posted November 30, 2013 12:59 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Violets -

I'm sure that you and your husband will be just fine.
As long as you both are willing to nurture the relationship.

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posted November 30, 2013 01:00 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
My soul twin has 12th house with me.

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You mean just one or two planets?
Just thinking about twelfth house stuff too much is like getting the wind knocked out of me!

posted November 30, 2013 01:05 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You mean just one or two planets?
Just thinking about twelfth house stuff too much is like getting the wind knocked out of me!

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2 planets and his Vertex. (I didn't check other asteroids or anything)

Oh really?
Well I appreciate you sharing and I totally understand not wanting to get detailed. Not just for privacy but it can get exhausting.

posted November 30, 2013 01:08 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
2 planets and his Vertex. (I didn't check other asteroids or anything)

Oh really?
Well I appreciate you sharing and I totally understand not wanting to get detailed. Not just for privacy but it can get exhausting.

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posted November 30, 2013 01:12 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Just thinking about twelfth house stuff too much is like getting the wind knocked out of me!

All I have to say is you don't want generations and generations of twelfth house emphasis and synastry overlays in your family :s
That's just like a whole boat load of bad karma or something and it's a very strange, eerie and weirder than weird influence.

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Well now I'm getting weirded out, dammit.
My son, for reasons completely elusive to me, has Saturn in 4th, and my Saturn and my husband's Ceres are both in his 12th, loosely conjunct his AC. That weirds me out. The apex of my Yod is in his 12th.

I've actually spoken to a psychic about it because it's upsetting to look at our charts. But she basically told me that he's trying to work out past karma that he didn't work out in other lives.

posted November 30, 2013 01:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Heh. Thanks. It weirds me out to think of it in terms like this, as I've never really paid much attention at all to my 12th house. It's empty. My husband and I have always felt connected spiritually, but I can't say the same for the other 12th house relationships. It was more like a karmic thing that we've had to learn really hard lessons from. In some cases, very hard lessons indeed.

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You're stronger for it though, right?
Your husband could be a sort of reward in a way for having paid that karmic debt, learning those lessons. Or however anyone choses to view it.

I NEVER EVER want to regret things. I feel regret, but I try to get rid of it.
I put in a LOT of effort, I mean.... I don't stop until I've eliminated regrets. Everything has taught me something. I almost see everything as karmic in some way.
I'm being stretched, conditioned, made stronger, being built up for the next thing and maybe getting rewarded here and there for things. (Blessed with loving people, money, my health, etc)

Someone else may gain from my experience, or your experience. We may have been worse off if not given those lessons or maybe in the next life be given a more difficult lesson, more in your face and unavoidable.
I mean, I get depressed. I was depressed just today, kind of thinking "why do I bother. Why am I even here?"
Right now though, conversing with you all in this thread about this stuff, I just feel thankful. (It's stressful to bounce all over the map, emotionally. Urgh!!)
Thankful for every person, every detail... every detail of each relationship. Even thankful for time apart from some people that I love because I'm more aware of it. More appreciative of them. Time spent together is of better quality.

posted November 30, 2013 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Well now I'm getting weirded out, dammit.
My son, for reasons completely elusive to me, has Saturn in 4th, and my Saturn and my husband's Ceres are both in his 12th, loosely conjunct his AC. That weirds me out. The apex of my Yod is in his 12th.

I've actually spoken to a psychic about it because it's upsetting to look at our charts. But she basically told me that he's trying to work out past karma that he didn't work out in other lives.

I don't like to talk about these things either, honestly. I've had enough tragedy in my life at this point.

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Some twelfth house is common. What I mean is you have a twelfth house stellium, your child has a twelfth house stellium and then you or he have a twelfth house synastry overlay so there's just too much twelfth house. This can be very negative and destructive. Most people do not have such intensity in their natal charts or synastry. Most do not have a twelfth house stellium, for that matter, let alone a parent and child each with a twelfth house stellium of their own.
I guess that's reserved for us special cases.

posted November 30, 2013 01:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Well now I'm getting weirded out, dammit.
My son, for reasons completely elusive to me, has Saturn in 4th, and my Saturn and my husband's Ceres are both in his 12th, loosely conjunct his AC. That weirds me out. The apex of my Yod is in his 12th.

I've actually spoken to a psychic about it because it's upsetting to look at our charts. But she basically told me that he's trying to work out past karma that he didn't work out in other lives.

I don't like to talk about these things either, honestly. I've had enough tragedy in my life at this point.

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You know what though?

My advise would to be aware, but keep it on the back burner. Put love on the front burner.

But maybe I'll just give you ladies a rest. hahaha
I don't want to stress you out.
Sometimes I feel like a warrior. I'm ready to jump into these things and do battle.

"Bring it 12th!! B****h!" LOL

posted November 30, 2013 01:36 AM            

I have that stellium in my natal chart. We don't have many of the 12th house issues - no hidden feelings, mind games or running away (as far as I know lol). But seriously though, we're the kind of people who like to put our cards on the table, so yeah. But that maybe coz I'm earth dominant, he's earth dom too with a bit of air and water. In synastry, my Saturn is also in his 1st house and his is in my 10th house. We understand each other well (asc conjunct nearly exact).

I've read somewhere that the 12th can mean going to "foreign land". Well, it is true enough in our case. I went to a different country n got married to him. LOLOL it was a bit similar with my mother, she has 12th house planets, so do I, we have 12th house synastry too. I went to a different country n our relationship improved significantly lol.

posted November 30, 2013 01:42 AM            

Seriously, distance does help with twelfth house issues. My mom and I started getting along better after we stopped living under the same roof. Twelfth house stelliums with twelfth house synastry struggle to get along without ripping off each other's heads.

posted November 30, 2013 02:14 AM            

I've just checked my parents' synastry. My dad's NN is in my mom's 12th house. Her Neptune is in his 12th house. His sun/netpune/Saturn is in her 8th house. Their relationship is definitely not all roses, there were rough times. Partly coz my parents aren't the most peace-loving people lol. Their families hated each other, but they ignored them all.

Mom has Jupiter, mars, mercury in the 12th natally. Dad has mercury in the 12th.

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posted November 30, 2013 02:25 AM            

She's visiting right now...and yep. Her Moon/Pholus is still conjunct my Mars. Checking...yep, still there.

I feel like every nerve in my body and brain has been given shock therapy. Maybe her Sun in my 12th adds to that, I dunno.

But I agree with DeepFreeze. No regrets, I like who I am today and I'm thankful for the life I have, and our little family. I love my husband and son unconditionally, and they love me back.

With my mom, it's more like the dysfunctional relationship where there's a weird trade off. That's how it was with my ex as well. "Hey, we're going to treat each other terribly, but we'll make up for it like this ___________."

Yay. But I love her, even though I feel a bit mental when she's around for too long. I just spent the last half hour applying bentonite clay to her arm, as it's always swollen and painful.

My dad and step-mom will be here tomorrow, yay! My Sun is conjunct the apex of my dad's Yod, which I think is nifty.

posted November 30, 2013 02:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
But I agree with DeepFreeze. No regrets, I like who I am today and I'm thankful for the life I have, and our little family.

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posted November 30, 2013 03:01 AM            

But it wasn't because of any sort of falling out or anything like that. We just...had our own problems, I guess.

But now we're all really close. They've both apologized to me from the heart for not being very present in my life, and I've always looked up to my dad (Neptune square Sun/Moon, anyone?).

posted November 30, 2013 03:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Hm. Wow, I've really been opening up on here lately. I should probably go back to hibernating in a relative cloud of evasiveness.

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posted November 30, 2013 03:12 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Myself and I'm sure a great many others do enjoy talking to you but you know.... Sometimes that's not a bad way to be really.
So I can't blame you.

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