posted December 07, 2013 08:29 PM            

I have a Taurus Sun in the 1st, my chart ruler Mars is in Aquarius and I have Pluto in Scorp opposite my Sun. I used to be very bad at saying "I'm sorry."

When I came to the conclusion that doing something "wrong" or "right" is merely perspective, I realized that even the smallest act I do is wrong for someone, in those cases I'm not going to apologize.

If /I/ think that I've done something wrong, I'll apologize.

And to your first post about hugging it out, Kero. I get like unnaturally annoyed when someone tries to hug me better. It's "And now you touch me? PFF! I'll destroy you!"

So random.

posted December 07, 2013 08:36 PM            

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MsPrism: When I came to the conclusion that doing something "wrong" or "right" is merely perspective, I realized that even the smallest act I do is wrong for someone, in those cases I'm not going to apologize.

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posted December 07, 2013 09:11 PM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:
@Hanna: Wow that's one long list of people there. True, they all have their moments, whether they're reasonable or not. Actually, more often when they're not - it'd mean having to change your mind.

All of those planets in Scorpio or Leo though. Eek! O__O That's really fixed. How difficult was that with that square/opposition to your moon?

I have been apologized to by a Scorpio with a Pisces Moon, so I think it really, really helps not to have both in a fixed sign.
Like you said you didn't mind admitting that you were wrong, which is probably your sun taking the initiative.

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Well, it's certainly not boring! And what's funny there's never been shouting matches. Most everything between fixed signs (maybe it's their water, and my water influences) was communicated through looks and very little words. Then months of not speaking to one another. Eventually I just moved on. The only person who came back (two years later) was a Taurus Sun PISCES moon girl, but I'm sure it took her a long time to get to that point.

Well, with the Leo he was very good at arguing. So that broken bridge was left with him feeling like he was right. And three years later he still feels he's right and knows everything. :rolls eyes.: For me, it was very emotional and I was very deeply hurt.

posted December 07, 2013 09:13 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I hate when people can't apologise!!!!!!!!!!!! Not just because they're being dumb little sh#ts, but more so because it means they're guarded. No! Let down your guard damn it! Let people in! You'll be happier.

LET ME BREAK DOWN YOUR WALLS!! Apologise to me, let yourself feel bad, cry a little if you need, all so I can transform you into a happier person.

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posted December 07, 2013 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
a pisces with a cap rising Pisces generallly lol
I know pisces moons like to escape instead.

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posted December 07, 2013 11:00 PM            

How does it make you feel?

Is it awkward? Like digging up something you just want to push behind you?

Or what is it?

I tend to apologize for things like.... hurt feelings or something like that. I just have certain things.
I also tend to expect myself to apologize much more than I would others. If I have to pressure them into it then it's not sincere in my view and my Leo hates that.
Myself, I can easily forgive without any official apology as long as they seem sincere about whatever the solution is.

I always expect more of myself.

posted December 07, 2013 11:08 PM            

So it's like, I was trained not to apologize kinda by that. Then I remember all the times people apologized to me then went and did mean things so I thought what's the point of the apology?

posted December 07, 2013 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Sun/NN tightly conjunct in Scorpio, inconjunct to Eris in Aries, twin!!

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WHOA wait until the second date!!

posted December 07, 2013 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Part of my problem is my childhood friend never liked apologies so if you apologized to her, it went in one ear and out the other and she hardly ever apologized although she said something really mean to me once then she was extremely apologetic. It was a rare event.

So it's like, I was trained not to apologize kinda by that. Then I remember all the times people apologized to me then went and did mean things so I thought what's the point of the apology?

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True. Apologies do get abused.

I remember an ex-gf who used to get angry with me if I apologized. I definitely can understand the viewpoint but at the same time I was a little irritated by it because I felt like I wasn't even given a chance based on her previous experiences.
In the end, I learned to cope with that. She wasn't going to change so I had to.
Whether or not I said the words didn't change my sincerity, or lack of. So with her it just worked out that she would "punish" me and then just move on. By punish I mean, express her anger/displeasure while I shut up and listen and/or answer her questions. LOL

posted December 07, 2013 11:27 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
True. Apologies do get abused.

I remember an ex-gf who used to get angry with me if I apologized. I definitely can understand the viewpoint but at the same time I was a little irritated by it because I felt like I wasn't even given a chance based on her previous experiences.
In the end, I learned to cope with that. She wasn't going to change so I had to.
Whether or not I said the words didn't change my sincerity, or lack of. So with her it just worked out that she would "punish" me and then just move on. By punish I mean, express her anger/displeasure while I shut up and listen and/or answer her questions. LOL

It was new and difficult for me for sure but I adapted.

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I don't get angry at people for apologizing, lol. It just goes in one ear and out the other. I think ya-ya. You know? I am sure it's a normal reaction. If people want to apologize, it's their prerogative.

posted December 07, 2013 11:37 PM            

Although her getting angry was extreme in my view I did gain a lot.
Her talking to me about it (sometimes aggressively) was much more effective.

posted December 07, 2013 11:38 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Actually that's true.

Although her getting angry was extreme in my view I did gain a lot.
Her talking to me about it (sometimes aggressively) was much more effective.

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posted December 07, 2013 11:41 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
I don't know about that..I'm a Cap rising with Pisces moon. I feel really, really guilty when I hurt someone/do something wrong. If anything, I overapologize. Just my own experience though.

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posted December 07, 2013 11:42 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
[b]Actually that's true.

Although her getting angry was extreme in my view I did gain a lot.
Her talking to me about it (sometimes aggressively) was much more effective.

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My eyes are being opened.

posted December 07, 2013 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

I usually just tell them my feelings are hurt but I have Pisces north node and we love to talk about feelings and we love to feel, too.

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posted December 07, 2013 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
My eyes are being opened.

If someone REALLY cares about you a lot, that's all that's needed.
A few years ago I hurt one of my nieces feelings a lot by doing something really stupid. lol
It sucked. It straightened me up real fast. Thankfully, something good came out of it. (we have a closer bond now)

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posted December 07, 2013 11:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I'm a Pisces moon. All Pisces sun and moon people that I know do overapologize like BellaFenice said.

But once you cross a line with Pisces, it's a different story. If a Pisces sun (or moon, if they're like me) is telling you off, they probably won't apologize, because they only tell people off when they are absolutely certain of their reasons.

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I have been loving your posts lately! So very true for me as well.

I've had to curb the urge to over-apologize lately, because that actually makes me feel worse. Like I didn't need to apologize in the first place because I didn't do anything wrong at all, but then I get that nagging sensation that it surely must be my fault. So I've tried to tone it down for my own well-being.

But yeah...I'm not going to apologize to anyone if I firmly believe that they deserved every word I said.

I recently had this experience having to call someone out on being really snarky and passive-aggressive towards me whenever they come into my home (and essentially uninviting them here until we get things straightened out). I owned up to my own part in that dynamic (I did have my own part), and asked that the other person do the same and that we need to come to an understanding with each other on some level.

posted December 08, 2013 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Did not know that about Pisces NN. I have that too, but I don't like telling people my feelings are hurt. I like feeling and talking about feelings though too.

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Usually with me, it's like my feelings are hurt so I do something or say something because I am hurting and I can be vicious with afflicted Mars in third especially since it's in Sagittarius and they are wordy and candid. So, it can be pretty rough. I should not cross the line and I feel guilty after I do. Yeah, people mess up but I need to keep my reaction in check, not go overboard on my response.

So I tell them my feelings are hurt that way they know it's my feelings fueling my fury and they can proceed from there. I can put up with some, but when they go too far, I tend to get furious and verbally annihilate then I feel guilty because I wonder if I overreact.

It's not over little things though, pettiness. I make sure I know when something is petty and unimportant which is part of the Pisces nn, too. They generally despise petty trivialities and try to see the big picture.

posted December 08, 2013 12:12 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Usually with me, it's like my feelings are hurt so I do something or say something because I am hurting and I can be vicious with afflicted Mars in third especially since it's in Sagittarius and they are wordy and candid. So, it can be pretty rough. I should not cross the line and I feel guilty after I do. Yeah, people mess up but I need to keep my reaction in check, not go overboard on my response.

So I tell them my feelings are hurt that way they know it's my feelings fueling my fury and they can proceed from there. I can put up with some, but when they go too far, I tend to get furious and verbally annihilate then I feel guilty because I wonder if I overreact.

It's not over little things though, pettiness. I make sure I know when something is petty and unimportant which is part of the Pisces nn, too. They generally despise petty trivialities and try to see the big picture.

Little things can add up though :/

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posted December 08, 2013 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Now THAT I identify with. Mars in Gemini here, so I'm the same when I get mad. I didn't know Mars had to do with hurt though, or you mentioned it because it falls in your 3rd of communication? I guess it all combines. Boy I'd hate getting a verbal lashing from a Mars in SAG! Sags are the only ones who can put me in my place quickly, but without wounding me to the extent Leo does. What about you and Geminis (out of curiosity, obviously)

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