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Topic: Who has a hard time saying I'm sorry?
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Kerosene
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From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 07, 2013 12:50 PM
  
Aspects placements signs? I really dislike apologizing unless it's expected from me during that very moment usually with strangers. Otherwise I hate when people apologize. If you feel bad a warm embrace would be more meaningful.IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 07, 2013 12:57 PM
Ugh, I DO. I don't mind saying I was wrong, but "I'm sorry," is just formal and icky to me. It's…emotive.Maybe all my 11H crap, Moon trine Uranus, or squares to Saturn? IP: Logged |
Pure
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posted December 07, 2013 01:03 PM
I have a Leo Mars and I've only sincerely apologized once in my life. I usually don't think I'm in the wrong or I have too much pride. I always say sorry when I bump into strangers, get in their way or as another way of saying "excuse me" but it's just out of politeness. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted December 07, 2013 01:10 PM
Oh yeah bumping into people, a natural human response. Well I definitely have my moments where I'm being horrid and saying I'm sorry seems so awkward. I can't excuse my behavior I'm not going to change so it seems deceitful almost. So here's a hug trooper lolIP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 07, 2013 01:12 PM
a pisces with a cap rising  Pisces generallly lol
I know pisces moons like to escape instead.Cap moons - they will do things for you, but they will never vocalize their feelings. Aqua moons. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted December 07, 2013 01:19 PM
Really most Pisces are guilty and apologetic by nature. It's a mutable thing.IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted December 07, 2013 01:19 PM
That's funny...my Leo husband just popped in and apologized for something random he had complained about earlier, right as I was getting ready to respond to this thread.  I don't mind apologizing (of course). But I'm generally sincere about it, or just feeling guilty or something. Meh. Anyway, I know a couple of people who absolutely never apologize, even when they should. One is a Cancer Sun with Scorpio AC and Cap Moon opp her Sun. Never. Apologizes. Ever. Or really even acknowledges that she's behaved really horribly. Another has Mars in Leo, as someone else mentioned. The woman is never wrong. She is THE VICTIM! Always. Virgo Sun with Gemini Moon. Ughhh.
I don't see much harm in people apologizing when they're wrong. I require it, honestly. But if they don't (or can't) I figure out how to get over it and move on. IP: Logged |
PeterPan
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posted December 07, 2013 01:24 PM
I will rather have everyone hate me than apologize, i'm a gemini with taurus asc and moon.I think it has to do with my mars conjunct ascendant, my 12th house moon or my taurus placements idk, but i usually have to much pride to say sorry, either that or i feel like i was right all along(it's usually this). Another thing i have a problem with which i think might be related is explaing why i'm angry as i usually feel like if they are the reason they will know if not it's none of their business.
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theunknown
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posted December 07, 2013 01:26 PM
mars conjunct sun? IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 07, 2013 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by PeterPan:
I will rather have everyone hate me than apologize, i'm a gemini with taurus asc and moon.I think it has to do with my mars conjunct ascendant, my 12th house moon or my taurus placements idk, but i usually have to much pride to say sorry, either that or i feel like i was right all along(it's usually this). Another thing i have a problem with which i think might be related is explaing why i'm angry as i usually feel like if they are the reason they will know if not it's none of their business.
Wow we're so alike! One of the third or fourth posts I've nodded to… like, "Yes this is me." IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted December 07, 2013 01:33 PM
Hm...interestingly, both of the people I mentioned have Mars square Venus. The first person also has Mars square Uranus, and the other has Mars conjunct Vertex. Is it Mars that doesn't want to apologize? IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted December 07, 2013 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by PeterPan:
I will rather have everyone hate me than apologize, i'm a gemini with taurus asc and moon.I think it has to do with my mars conjunct ascendant, my 12th house moon or my taurus placements idk, but i usually have to much pride to say sorry, either that or i feel like i was right all along(it's usually this). Another thing i have a problem with which i think might be related is explaing why i'm angry as i usually feel like if they are the reason they will know if not it's none of their business.
it's the taurus that's way too stubborn to say sorry. 12th moon means it's hidden. People can't really read your emotions so that could be a problem as to why people want to talk about it. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 07, 2013 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Hm...interestingly, both of the people I mentioned have Mars square Venus. The first person also has Mars square Uranus, and the other has Mars conjunct Vertex. Is it Mars that doesn't want to apologize?
seems like that. The person i know has mars conjunct sun, square neptune and saturn. My guess is mars conjunct sun means ID conflates with the fighter image.Uranus also has a superiority-complex energy (as it is the higher octave of mercury and being all about being different). Maybe mars square uranus means the person struggles balancing the fighter and the individualist image and hence unable to compromise/acknowledge they are wrong? talking about mars, i think very week venus also makes the person less interested in being diplomatic.
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meissieri
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From: The Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2013
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posted December 07, 2013 02:05 PM
I used to be like this so much. I'd just clam up or awkwardly mumbled something, hoping we could move on. Fear that someone else wouldn't accept my apology and say they were sick of me (while I wanted to make up). So I thought that not addressing the problem would mean we'd pick up where we left off. Not! I just, ugh, felt so guilty and I'd just burst into tears to the person I hurt, really. Had stomach aches over it. Would try to show it through vowing and promising never to do it again.Now I do apologize - either right away or I try to find the right time for it. I just hope and pray they'll know it's sincere and I care about them. ^ And right as I'm writing this thread I'm apologizing to someone! I think the worst offenders in my chart are:
- Libra Rising (avoids confrontation)
- Leo Sun square Pluto (fear of their choice to end our relationship while I'm still attached - giving away power and being vulnerable, you know?)
- Cap Moon conj. Rx Saturn and Rx Neptune (lots of guilt and awkwardness eating away at me) EDIT: My gut says people with lots of fixed signs and very low on mutable would have a hard time admitting they were wrong. IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted December 07, 2013 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by summerlite:
it's the taurus that's way too stubborn to say sorry. 12th moon means it's hidden. People can't really read your emotions so that could be a problem as to why people want to talk about it.
I actually know a couple of people with Moon in 12th (one is an Aqua Sun with Taurus Moon, the other is a Leo Sun with Cancer Moon), and you will probably never get an apology from either one of them, or acknowledgement that they're wrong. About anything. The Leo/Cancer is actually better about this, but he's considerably older and more spiritually minded.
................................... I know this thread is about people who refuse to say "I'm sorry", but that kind of goes hand in hand with admitting when you're wrong, imo. The thing about the Aqua and the Leo is that they're both really opinionated people (and often either straight up wrong, or at least somewhat subjective with their opinions). You will never hear the Aqua acknowledge that, and rarely the Leo (but with more frequency). So I wonder how important a Moon in 12th is, especially with a fixed placement? IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 07, 2013 02:34 PM
@meisseri ^ Not even a lot of fixed sign… just having A fixed sign I think brings out this trait. My examples include: My Taurus Moon
A Scorpio girl I knew (ASC, Sun, Mercury, Venus)
A Scorpio Venus
Mercury / Pluto or Mercury in Scorpio
Venus in Aquarius
Sun in Leo (and he had Mars and Venus in Leo as well)
Cancer with Mercury in Leo IP: Logged |
Xerxes
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posted December 07, 2013 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
I actually know a couple of people with Moon in 12th (one is an Aqua Sun with Taurus Moon, the other is a Leo Sun with Cancer Moon), and you will probably never get an apology from either one of them, or acknowledgement that they're wrong. About anything. The Leo/Cancer is actually better about this, but he's considerably older and more spiritually minded.
...................................I know this thread is about people who refuse to say "I'm sorry", but that kind of goes hand in hand with admitting when you're wrong, imo. The thing about the Aqua and the Leo is that they're both really opinionated people (and often either straight up wrong, or at least somewhat subjective with their opinions). You will never hear the Aqua acknowledge that, and rarely the Leo (but with more frequency). So I wonder how important a Moon in 12th is, especially with a fixed placement?
I second this completely. I know a truckload of 12th House Mooners who NEVER apologize, simply because they don't ever think they are in the wrong. Infuriating, too, because it's all too often in a passive-aggressive manner.
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DeepFreeze
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From: Pluto
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted December 07, 2013 03:04 PM
Ummmm.... I used to. I was SO awful! I would nearly fight to the death (it seemed like) to just not be wrong or to apologize. That was years ago. As I've grown up it's really a piece of cake for me. I have no problem apologizing. As was recently displayed over in the Sweat Peas forum actually. (along with something else being displayed LOL) I COMPLETELY blame my Leo Sun for this. I'm certain of it.
This only goes to prove that even fixed signs CAN change (mature) if they will to. EDIT: Kind of like Kero said. I don't hand them out like candy at Halloween. Otherwise they lose their meaning. IP: Logged |
meissieri
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Registered: Feb 2013
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posted December 07, 2013 03:43 PM
@Hanna: Wow that's one long list of people there. True, they all have their moments, whether they're reasonable or not. Actually, more often when they're not - it'd mean having to change your mind.All of those planets in Scorpio or Leo though. Eek! O__O That's really fixed. How difficult was that with that square/opposition to your moon? I have been apologized to by a Scorpio with a Pisces Moon, so I think it really, really helps not to have both in a fixed sign.
Like you said you didn't mind admitting that you were wrong, which is probably your sun taking the initiative. @DeepFreeze: Haha, I love how we both started off the same way. Leos and pride... bad combo. Very bad. Glad you became more laidback overtime. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 07, 2013 03:47 PM
To be honest, I cannot stand apologies. To me they are meaningless. Really. Everyone makes mistakes. Make it once then don't make it again after people tell you. That is enough apology for me, I don't need words. Aries DC says actions speak louder than words anyway.IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 07, 2013 04:05 PM
Wow interesting I don't have a massive ego where I can't apologize. I actually assume its my fault if someone Is mad and I'm like what did I saaaay what did I do lol I guess I'm Venusian after all. Not an egotist just a b@tchh lol I say my bad a lot too IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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From: Pluto
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted December 07, 2013 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
To be honest, I cannot stand apologies. To me they are meaningless. Really. Everyone makes mistakes. Make it once then don't make it again after people tell you. That is enough apology for me, I don't need words. Aries DC says actions speak louder than words anyway.
I think it depends though. Sometimes it can even act as an "ice breaker" to establish peace before moving on. Depending on the severity of whatever went wrong. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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From: Pluto
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted December 07, 2013 04:50 PM
SSS I do get what you're saying though. Sometimes that's best too IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted December 07, 2013 05:30 PM
I have a hard time apologizing IRL. Online, I don’t really have a problem apologizing. Neptune is in my 3rd(related to online activities?). Neptune dissolves ego, so I think it makes me apologetic in nature online, but only if I like the person I’m apologizing to. IRL, it’s difficult for me. I’ve a big ego (Jupiter in 1st) and Sun/Pluto doesn’t really like to compromise. I never apologize when someone forces me to apologize, whether it’s online or IRL, that’s my rebellious Mars in Aqua.IP: Logged |
charlie
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From: los angeles, ca, USA
Registered: Jun 2012
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posted December 07, 2013 06:58 PM
I will think twice thrice and beyond before apologizing since I as a general rule try to think before I speak. I am blunt however but will stand pretty firm if someone takes offense. This does not apply should I accidentally knock them out or something Cancer/Cap/Virgo Oh. I HATE HATE HATE when others apologize to me as well. Makes me bloody cringe. IP: Logged |
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