posted December 28, 2013 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It is because of Saturn's exaltation. Don't forget about that! People tend to ignore Saturn's connection to Libra. It's not all frills and flowers. Libra can be very dark and austere. Pluto in Libra, especially (Pluto in the sign of Saturn's exaltation.)

The sign Taurus by itself is not logical, btw. Taurus is a sensual, earthly sign. It's mostly driven by earthy delights, especially using the sense of sight. Taurus is also very tactile and is very sensitive to textures.

Taurus is the most connected to earth and the five senses that one experiences while the spirit is encased in the body. With Taurus, senses and spirit are identical. So, they are very influenced by what they take in with their five senses.

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posted December 28, 2013 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
Still no link with Mercury in Libra.

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Yup because Mercury and Saturn have a relationship due to Saturn's connection with logic and Mercury ruling it.

posted December 28, 2013 03:48 PM              

Most Libra mercuries I know I too idealistic.

It's really earth and that's a fact.
Also Libra makes saturn idealistic and light.
Not logical.

posted December 28, 2013 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Did a bunch if posts here get deleted?

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posted December 28, 2013 04:03 PM            

Logic is the process of structured thinking which is called reasoning.

Thinking is ruled by Jupiter, communication - using pen, mouth etc is Mercury, the body of knowledge that is possessed is the Sun.

Logic in traditional astrology which I still believe is true is ruled by Saturn. It is the strongest in Aquarius as Aquarius is an air and deals with abstract, intellectual matters. Saturn is also in Capricorn and exalted in Saturn.

So by logic, Jupiter in Aquarius and Libra natives do particularly well. I have left out Jupiter in Capricorn as it is detriment there. I've met a lot of Jupiter in Aquarius and they are all highly intelligent and logical. By logic, the worst would be Jupiter in Leo, being opposite to Aquarius and being very subjective. Naturally, Jupiter in Sagittarius and Pisces are very strong and give strong and able thinkers but not the most logical. Jupiter in these signs lend to natives of broad outlook who can recognise opportunities and take them. This is what I call luck. Likewise, Jupiter in Cancer as it takes a more opportunistic flavour to it despite it being exalted in this sign.

I have Jupiter in Aries which is peregrine, so I suppose my ability to think logically is ok. However, I have Sun and Mercury in Aquarius so how I retain my body of knowledge is logical and how I communicate is logical. They are however conjunct so the Sun will still rub on Mercury and my ability to communicate is Subject to myself - it makes for subject thinking.

Any of the above planets in Aquarius will improve the native's ability to MANIPULATE information in a logical fashion. Libra also I believe. Any strong Capricorn influence or aspect would help too except Jupiter in Capricorn.

So, I would say Leo placements decrease logic as thought is carried out against oneself making it subjective. I'd also include maybe Moon aspects given the instinctive nature of the Moon, and instinct and logic seem like opposites.

posted December 28, 2013 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Oh nooo I think they did :/
The server does that sometimes.

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posted December 28, 2013 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
SSS - logic is a narrow way of thinking, you take very strict pathways in a train of thought so Saturn is indeed restricting the the operation of Jupiter. Jupiter is very broad minded and it uses every type of thinking. Logic is cold and hard and without emotion.

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Logic tends to be more abstract which is why I think of Libra being the perfect example of logical thinking at it's best. I don't consider Saturn lighter and airier in Libra. What I think happens is those with Saturn in Libra are more serious than other Librans. They are better at logical thinking and lack the air headed quality that can plague air signs. All air signs have a special connection with Saturn. It used to be the sole ruler of Aquarius, before the discovery or Uranus. Even Gemini can benefit from Saturn. Gemini becomes more grounded and more serious. The superficiality of the air sign becomes less apparent with Saturn. The mind turns inward and reflects on serious matters rather than mundane small talk. Problems get solved when Saturn enters air.

So I believe Libra could rule logic through the exaltation of Saturn.

posted December 28, 2013 05:04 PM            

I see Logic as a mental process, thought processes which is Air and Jupiter combined. It is a strict type of philosophy.

posted December 28, 2013 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
SSS - Quick post as I've got to skedaddle but I think we are having a definitional conflict. I think what you talk about is common sense and pragmatism, operation of logic in a practical way, which is earth. This is why I think Jupiter in Cap doesn't work well as it grounds it too much and Jupiter is the land of everything possible.

I see Logic as a mental process, thought processes which is Air and Jupiter combined. It is a strict type of philosophy.

I've got to run, your posts have always had a lot thought put in them, I appreciate that

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posted December 28, 2013 08:57 PM            

Pulling out the Table of Essential Dignities again, as you can see, Saturn is the day ruler of the air signs. I agree with what you said in your discussion about Saturn in air signs operating well and best in Libra.

As for physical planning, car parks etc, I think still that is the mundane. It is functional. Thought must go into it but it's abstract though so it is very much Saturn in earth, particularly Capricorn and Virgo (functional), aesthetic though is Libra Saturn I believe.

Traditionally, Jupiter rules both Pisces and Sagittarius. As we know, Pisces is now assigned to Neptune in modern astrology. My initial concern and the reason why I restricted Jupiter to air signs as being logical is that under a traditional Jupiter, Jupiter also rules visions, prophesies, faith and dreams is connected to the 9th through Jupiter. These are not logical things but more intuitive in nature. These have now have been assigned to Neptune. I'm still accepting of the traditional assignment of things. However, under modern astrology, reason if you equate it to logic, may be just assigned simply as Jupiter as it is thought but then you run into my thoughts that I mentioned before, that is logic is a cold, linear thought pattern, a chain of thoughts leading to either an absolute or accepted conclusion.

posted December 28, 2013 09:07 PM            

Defines logic as reasoning (and a second definition that's not relevant here).

Reasoning - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasoning

"Reason is the capacity for consciously making sense of things, applying logic, for establishing and verifying facts, and changing or justifying practices, institutions, and beliefs based on new or existing information.[1]"

"Reason or "reasoning" is associated with thinking, cognition, and intellect. Reason, like habit or intuition, is one of the ways by which thinking comes from one idea to a related idea. For example, it is the means by which rational beings understand themselves to think about cause and effect, truth and falsehood, and what is good or bad. It is also closely identified with the ability to self-consciously change beliefs, attitudes, traditions, and institutions, and therefore with the capacity for freedom and self-determination.[4]"

posted December 28, 2013 09:13 PM            

I also understand it was wierd for my theory to put Jupiter and Saturn together but some reason, it just works right. Maybe Jupiter in Libra does best out of everything as Saturn is tempered to an exaltation.

posted March 13, 2019 08:56 AM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Well, here's some Aquarian logic for you.

Logic is the process of structured thinking which is called reasoning.

Thinking is ruled by Jupiter, communication - using pen, mouth etc is Mercury, the body of knowledge that is possessed is the Sun.

Logic in traditional astrology which I still believe is true is ruled by Saturn. It is the strongest in Aquarius as Aquarius is an air and deals with abstract, intellectual matters. Saturn is also in Capricorn and exalted in Saturn.

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posted March 13, 2019 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by incognito:
Mercury square Neptune?
Mercury in pisces?
Any others?

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I absolutely agree and I would add

• Mercury in Aries (their tongue is faster than their mind)

(I don't have experience with Mercury in hard aspects to Mars though, but I suspect it will be similar maybe even worse since spects override signs)

posted March 13, 2019 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by incognito:
hmmm....I thought Saturn would discipline the mind

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Yes Saturn to Mercury may give problems like slowed speech or somethong but gives a good logic.