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Topic: Aspects for worst logic?
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incognito Knowflake Posts: 220 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted December 27, 2013 05:18 PM
Mercury square Neptune? Mercury in pisces? Any others?IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4207 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted December 27, 2013 05:20 PM
Not Mercury square Neptune. Mercury square Saturn.IP: Logged |
incognito Knowflake Posts: 220 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted December 27, 2013 05:21 PM
hmmm....I thought Saturn would discipline the mindIP: Logged |
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posted December 27, 2013 05:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by incognito: Mercury square Neptune? Mercury in pisces? Any others?
Afflictions to the 12th house would be something to look for as well. IP: Logged |
next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 3101 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 27, 2013 05:34 PM
Mercury square neptune! Maybe also saturn? I have both and also square jupiter and I don't HAVE a logical sense. Even though I'm virgo. Anything pisces and neptune afflictions I would say.
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next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 3101 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 27, 2013 05:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by incognito: hmmm....I thought Saturn would discipline the mind
Not the square so much. It makes you so critical of anything that comes out your mouth that it holds you back, or you autocorrect yourself all the time.
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Doux Rêve Knowflake Posts: 9926 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 27, 2013 06:55 PM
I'm probably one of the most illogical people around and my Mercury is unafflicted.However the ruler of my 3rd (Moon) is very afflicted. IP: Logged |
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posted December 27, 2013 07:05 PM
Saturn in aspect to mercury can either be positive or negative. Saturn represents restriction or limitation too - could lead to not the best brain power.Inability to think in a linear, logical way noticed tends to be the domain of Mercury in water signs and/or making some really tightly-orbed, hard aspect to Neptune. Mercury in aspect to Uranus (hard aspect) could lead to all over the place irrational thinking also. I think moon plays a part also because if the moon is badly aspected and shows instability in the emotions that can influence the thought process and make people say and do illogical things. This is probably all null and void if the placements are in air signs and/or have a few positive aspects from Saturn. I have a few of those markers myself but my Mercury sextiles Saturn and although the sign on my third house cusp is Aries, Taurus takes up 90 percent of that house. When I was a teenager my aunt made a big deal of how practical and how much "common sense" I have. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Knowflake Posts: 9926 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 27, 2013 07:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor: Inability to think in a linear, logical way noticed tends to be the domain of Mercury in water signs and/or making some really tightly-orbed, hard aspect to Neptune. Mercury in aspect to Uranus (hard aspect) could lead to all over the place irrational thinking also. I think moon plays a part also because if the moon is badly aspected and shows instability in the emotions that can influence the thought process and make people say and do illogical things.
*claps* Agreed. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 9169 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 28, 2013 12:47 AM
You could say afflictions from moon to Neptune. I have them and sometimes logic seems surprisingly illogical. IP: Logged |
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posted December 28, 2013 12:58 AM
Jupiter tends to blind logic too.After all Mercury is typically uncomfortable in Sag and Pisces with are ruled by Jupiter.
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StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 9169 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 28, 2013 01:02 AM
That would be true since Mercury is logic and Jupiter more speculation and intuition.IP: Logged |
LovelyKitty Knowflake Posts: 617 From: ~*Cosmic Wanderer *~ Registered: Jun 2012
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posted December 28, 2013 08:45 AM
Retrograde Neptune conjunct natal Rx mercury in12th ? ...in Pices?Ohh boyy...who ever had this before tell me , how you could feel your feet on the ground? IP: Logged |
Selene Knowflake Posts: 1431 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted December 28, 2013 09:18 AM
I have no logical sense as i always say - i am very irrational person. Yet all the maths and logic exercises i can do with excellence, when needed. I like maths a lot. I lack logic when it comes to everyday situations, for example, i am a topographic idiot, i cannot find way, etc. sometimes i don't see obvious solutions because of daydreaming, but when i concentrate, i'm really good at it. I have Libra Mercury, 2nd house. Conjunct Sun and Venus, Trine Mars, Sextile Moon and Jupiter, but square Uranus, Neptune, Saturn. Mercury is a chart ruler.
Though i have third house Pluto, he's a ruler of third as well. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 21731 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 28, 2013 10:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor: Saturn in aspect to mercury can either be positive or negative. Saturn represents restriction or limitation too - could lead to not the best brain power.
Hmm, where is Venus DeSirius? She used to say that Mercury in hard aspect to Saturn was the hallmark of brilliant scholars. I have Mercury opposing Saturn and appreciated her observations quote: Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor: Inability to think in a linear, logical way noticed tends to be the domain of Mercury in water signs and/or making some really tightly-orbed, hard aspect to Neptune.
Yeah but Mercury in Scorpio is nobody's fool. Mercury in Pisces can be sharp as a tack about other people but, from what I've seen, can be either oblivious to how other people are judging them, or make up their own rules and don't care what others think. So they might be perceived as delusional when they aren't. quote: Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor: Mercury in aspect to Uranus (hard aspect) could lead to all over the place irrational thinking also.
I have this, Mercury square Uranus with less than one degree orb. I get truly bizarre thoughts sometimes...but this aspect also gives flashes of insight that can be a real advantage, leading to breakthroughs in projects and so forth. And I can always tell the difference between "wacko thought intruding on normal thought processes" and inspiration. quote: Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor: I think moon plays a part also because if the moon is badly aspected and shows instability in the emotions that can influence the thought process and make people say and do illogical things.
My Pisces moon is badly aspected, but I have Aquarius Mercury trine 3H Libra Pluto. For the most part, my mind can detach itself from my emotions, so I can be feeling miserable and crazy but focused strictly on intellectual concerns at the same time. When I am very upset, I tend to become totally uncommunicative, not illogical. IP: Logged |
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posted December 28, 2013 11:00 AM
Well, I have Mercury square Neptune and Saturn but everyone I know describes me as logical. BUT all three planets are in AIR houses. Mercury in the 11H and Saturn and Neptune in the 7H. My worst flaw is being indecisive when it comes to debating or arguing, unless I've researched the topic excessively.Mercury in water houses, or a lack of air in the chart will deteriorate one's logic from my experience. Mercury in Cancer or Pisces seems the least logical (bar Odette). Moon / Mercury aspects would be illogical since the thought process is emotion based, but that's redundant to saying Mercury in Cancer too. Fire Mercuries would be more logical than water ones, but less than air or earth… IP: Logged |
summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted December 28, 2013 11:05 AM
i don't see logic in mercury in pisces/libra.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 9169 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 28, 2013 12:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: i don't see logic in mercury in pisces/libra.
Libra is the sign of logic so Mercury in Libra can be logical. My Mercury is conjunct Jupiter which subtracts from the placement. IP: Logged |
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posted December 28, 2013 12:26 PM
I don't see libra is the sign of logic at all.. that would be mercury in taurus and virgo. More like the sign of indecision. IP: Logged |
summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted December 28, 2013 12:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: Libra is the sign of logic so Mercury in Libra can be logical. My Mercury is conjunct Jupiter which subtracts from the placement.
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posted December 28, 2013 01:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kerosene: I don't see libra is the sign of logic at all.. that would be mercury in taurus and virgo. More like the sign of indecision.
True! Why is Mercury in Libra more indecisive than Sun in Libra? I can't STAND Mercury in Libras! They like keeping everything on marshmallow levels and any type of opinion seems to throw them off (of course I speak from a great frustration communicating with my Virgo Sun, Sag Moon, Mercury and Venus in Libra friend whom I've known for 13 years.) IP: Logged |
Selene Knowflake Posts: 1431 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted December 28, 2013 01:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: True! Why is Mercury in Libra more indecisive than Sun in Libra? I can't STAND Mercury in Libras! They like keeping everything on marshmallow levels and any type of opinion seems to throw them off (of course I speak from a great frustration communicating with my Virgo Sun, Sag Moon, Mercury and Venus in Libra friend whom I've known for 13 years.)
Whaaat? I don't keep everything at marshmallow level, oh please! I love deep conversations and debates. And I'm triple Libra with Sun, Venus and chart ruler Mercury all conjunct. IP: Logged |
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posted December 28, 2013 01:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by Selene: Whaaat? I don't keep everything at marshmallow level, oh please! I love deep conversations and debates. And I'm triple Libra with Sun, Venus and chart ruler Mercury all conjunct.
Maybe that's why. I have the same aspects but in Aries, so maybe it's the Sun and Mercury being in aspect that enjoys that sort of friction, but not Mercury in Libra alone. IP: Logged |
Selene Knowflake Posts: 1431 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted December 28, 2013 01:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: Maybe that's why. I have the same aspects but in Aries, so maybe it's the Sun and Mercury being in aspect that enjoys that sort of friction, but not Mercury in Libra alone.
Maybe you need to see aspects as well. My Mercury has a tight trine to Mars, so that might give a thrill to debate. I don't like arguing in high tones, but a healthy debate any time. IP: Logged |
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posted December 28, 2013 01:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Selene: Maybe you need to see aspects as well.
You mean in synastry between her and I? Because my Mercury would automatically oppose hers since it's in Aries. So would my Sun and Venus. IP: Logged |