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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted December 30, 2013 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by theunknown:
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I agree with the placements in empirical signs -virgo, cap, taurus

I disagree about atheists being people who don't want to admit their limitations.

Lots of atheists are spiritual - they might not believe in god but might say believe in Karma.

Other societies have very different religious orientation from America. America is a very religious country.

I think atheists want to acknowledge that they will never know how certain events occur and they refuse to attribute them to a god. Some atheists believe in aliens and all types if other forces.

Some atheists can be categorized as zealots (those posting billboards with pictures mocking Santa Claus for example). Preaching the belief in nature and other forces sis a type if religious orientation. I dislike the fact that people think atheism isn't a type of belief.



Okay here's a question. Why on earth would you believe in something like karma if you cannot believe in God? The concept of karma is just as unlikely as that of God, right? Seems more atheistic to believe in the law of cause and effect.

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PlutoFish
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posted December 30, 2013 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto conjunct Jupiter, Mars conjunct Jupiter, Jupiter conjunct ascendant, Mars in 9th house, Pluto in 9th house, Jupiter in 9th house.
Anything under the rulership of Jupiter.

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florence
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posted December 30, 2013 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Atheists are obnoxious, for the most part, the prick for the sake of being one types. I grew up in church and really liked going when young. I think that's where I get my Christian sensibility, from that upbringing. It was instilled in me so I have that approach to life, do unto others type of approach.

im v much into do unto others .. too. for that reason, i can't stand hypocrites.

yea .. atheists do seem like that. i only can get past that because most i've encountered seem to have had bad experiences with religious forms of education.

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posted December 30, 2013 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Atheists are obnoxious, for the most part, the prick for the sake of being one types. I grew up in church and really liked going when young. I think that's where I get my Christian sensibility, from that upbringing. It was instilled in me so I have that approach to life, do unto others type of approach.

I thought atheists were just sick of fundamentalists shoving their beliefs down everyone's throats, and getting testy when they weren't taken at their word? No, they're just being difficult. "Do unto others"?

Some atheists were raised in church too, you know. They just don't believe in it.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted December 30, 2013 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by page one:
I thought atheists were just sick of fundamentalists shoving their beliefs down everyone's throats, and getting testy when they aren't taken at their word? No, they're just being difficult. So much for "Do unto others". Some atheists were raised in church too, you know. They just don't believe in it.



I don't like their personalities, for the most part, and if you are going to believe in karma and not God, then that's just stupid imo. There is absolutely no proof karma is even real. It's just mystical mumbo jumbo like they claim about God. There's as much proof of God as there is karma.

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theunknown
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posted December 30, 2013 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Starlight,

My view is that religion is a set of beliefs about a specific god or a system of gods that dictate believers' actions. I.e. Catholic Christians aren't fond of abortion.

I think there are a lot more that is considered spiritual. Atheism is the belief that what happen in life don't necessarily attribute to an omnipotent being. However there are different branches if atheism and what not. I'm at awe by nature and I just can't attribute it to a god, but I know nature us inspirational and not always explainable.
Karma is also the idea if collective cause and effect. To me it means if you live badly, bad things will happen to you even if they are not from the people you harm. Karma has nothing to do with a god. It's just that I believe someone will get to you if you don't behave morally. It's just this cycle of life to me.

Lots of spiritual things happen in my life. But I don't try to cope with my lack of understanding of how these things happen to an omnipotent being.

That said, I can see how a specific belief helps bringing communities together or helps someone's life. In that sense I'm not fanatical about my belief that an omnipotent being exists. If I go around and attack religious people, I would still be considered a zealot

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posted December 30, 2013 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I don't like their personalities, for the most part, and if you are going to believe in karma and not God, then that's just stupid imo. There is absolutely no proof karma is even real. It's just mystical mumbo jumbo like they claim about God. There's as much proof of God as there is karma.

Exactly, it's all completely subjective, so why get defensive when they disagree with you or challenge your beliefs? But religious people have a lot of trouble with this.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted December 30, 2013 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not that Catholics disapprove of abortion, they believe you will go to hell if you get one. What Catholics believe is everyone should get married and have as many kids as they can possibly have and hopefully one will become a priest, another, a nun. That's the old fashioned Catholicism. Nowadays, they mainly believe in marriage and practicing birth control while married but marriage is still the prominent theme in the religion. Catholics think everyone should either be married or nun or priest and nothing else.

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theunknown
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posted December 30, 2013 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also doubt any religious people can coherently defend every single aspect of their religions. As much as atheists can't. But atheists get the bad rap because some outspoken ones question if there exists other viewpoints.

It's sorta like veganism. Lots of people think vegans are the preachy ones. Meat eaters however ( as researches show) are more evangelical.

If you can just realize that some people like me grew up in societies where religions aren't particularly important but rather etiquette a to keep the society harmonious, then you'll realize I'm not strange by any mean.

To call someone a "prick" just because you disagree with their view on religions is very unfair because to be honest some of us were probably the ones who don't mind helping others, showing you the direction or whatever, just like everyone else.

I find American sentiments toward atheists very bizarre

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Delilah423
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posted December 30, 2013 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is one of the strangest (and probably misinformed) threads I've seen on this board.

At least every spiritual persuasion is being more or less equally bashed.

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theunknown
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posted December 30, 2013 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It's not that Catholics disapprove of abortion, they believe you will go to hell if you get one. What Catholics believe is everyone should get married and have as many kids as they can possibly have and hopefully one will become a priest, another, a nun. That's the old fashioned Catholicism. Nowadays, they mainly believe in marriage and practicing birth control while married but marriage is still the prominent theme in the religion. Catholics think everyone should either be married or nun or priest and nothing else.

That's my point. Any type of religion gives you a set of actions to follow even if you disagree. Anything else that's a bit more eclectic and spiritual that do not dictate people's actions is NOT religious.

To religious people, when you do not follow these sets of actions, it's a SIN against god.

See the difference?

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted December 30, 2013 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Delilah423:
This is one of the strangest (and probably misinformed) threads I've seen on this board.

At least every spiritual persuasion is being more or less equally bashed.



That's because people tend to twist stuff. Whatever they get involved in, they distort so it becomes something worthy of endless cycles of criticism.

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I'm so cappy
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posted December 30, 2013 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Poor thread of mine...

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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.

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theunknown
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posted December 30, 2013 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Poor thread of mine...:lauhging:


I'm sorry Cappy. Here is a virtual hug!

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I'm so cappy
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posted December 30, 2013 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awww. Thank you but to be honest I'm pretty entertained.

I have some stuff in my chart that could be pointed out as the indicators of a religious fanatic but apparently something went wrong (thank...God )

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theunknown
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posted December 30, 2013 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Awww. Thank you but to be honest I'm pretty entertained.

I have some stuff in my chart that could be pointed out as the indicators of a religious fanatic but apparently something went wrong (thank...God )


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Violets
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posted December 30, 2013 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread.

And then I went around and snooped on other forums here to see if something had been stirred up recently, and that was pretty weird. Never. Again.

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted December 30, 2013 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yes, "fanatical and uncompromising" would describe a zealot, though you probably consider it a compliment for some reason.

Thank you very much.

What exactly do you stand for?

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted December 30, 2013 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Poor thread of mine...


Started the sh1t, so now mop it up.

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posted December 30, 2013 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Naaah. I'd rather sit and admire

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LovelyAries86
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posted December 30, 2013 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I'd shoot you in the face with Glade Air Freshener if I could because you just have a bunch of sh*tty attitude spewing out all over the place.
Did you have a "Grumpy Man" frozen dinner? Geez. LOL!

LMAO

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posted December 30, 2013 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Thank you very much.

What exactly do you stand for?


Do you need something to stand for? Aren't you a money manager or banker or something?

And if anything, being a proud zealot suggests a *lack* of faith in your convictions, because a zealot can't tolerate any dissension.

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LovelyAries86
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posted December 30, 2013 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyAries86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by theunknown:

Other societies have very different religious orientation from America. America is a very religious country.


I'm fine w/ this. I like that America isn't like any other country - we do our own thing. I dig that.

I'm not downing other countries at all either. America has it's f*cked up ways, but it's still a brilliant place! Faith in God has a lot to w/ that I don't care what anyone says.

BTW - I'm not a fan of the "far right" adgenda...so don't place that label on me.

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Randall
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posted December 30, 2013 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems the Astrology has lost its way on this one, so closing it.

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