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Topic: What does it take to be a successful cult founder and/or leader?
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Violets Moderator Posts: 3747 From: Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 05:24 PM
Much like the charts of sadists, I often notice a conjunction and opposition involving Pluto and Mars (Pluto conjunct Mars, opposite something like Neptune or Saturn). Just an observation, I don't think everyone has to be a sadist or a cult leader if they have similar aspects. It looks to me like the driving need to tell others what to do.IP: Logged |
AriesLilith Knowflake Posts: 626 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 30, 2013 05:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: I wish I could find his birth time then I would create my own astro.com chart. No sense in creating one without the time. That Jupiter conjunct Pluto is pretty heavy stuff, I guess. Some of them see themselves as controllers of others spirituality, kind of like a human/god aspect. They see themselves as divinity incarnate, maybe?
Honestly I'm still not too familiar with this conjunction, but it feels as it gives some strong social power/influence. So maybe they might indeed perceive themselves as superior. (a curious observation I made some time ago, Jupiter/Pluto hard aspect seems to appear in many charts of rich people) IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8571 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 30, 2013 05:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by AriesLilith: Honestly I'm still not too familiar with this conjunction, but it feels as it gives some strong social power/influence. So maybe they might indeed perceive themselves as superior.(a curious observation I made some time ago, Jupiter/Pluto hard aspect seems to appear in many charts of rich people)
Jupiter has an interesting relationship with Pluto. Jupiter is expansion principle while Pluto is control so it seems logical, Jupiter conjunct Pluto would be someone who, by circumstance and will, exerts their control over a lot of people. IP: Logged |
AriesLilith Knowflake Posts: 626 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 30, 2013 05:47 PM
Guys, what do you think of the following chart? Potential for spiritual or cult leader, in good or evil way: IP: Logged |
page one Knowflake Posts: 354 From: USA Registered: Jun 2012
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posted December 30, 2013 06:06 PM
Charming (Moon, Venus, Lilith and Mercury all tightly conjunct). Mars opp Pluto, power trip. Chiron at MC, hmm...vulnerable before the world, their problems on display? Who is this?IP: Logged |
brightwhites Knowflake Posts: 101 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted December 30, 2013 06:18 PM
Psychopathy / Sociopathy
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AriesLilith Knowflake Posts: 626 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 30, 2013 08:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by page one: Charming (Moon, Venus, Lilith and Mercury all tightly conjunct). Mars opp Pluto, power trip. Chiron at MC, hmm...vulnerable before the world, their problems on display? Who is this?
It's my chart LOL. (how Aries egoccentric of me lolol) Was just curious of my own potential for being a good or evil leader just for fun, thought to be honest, I prefer to follow a leader with whom I would agree and feel inspired of his/her ideals, rather than being the one to guide all (how would I have my own solitude and procrastination if I have too much responsibilities lol). IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8571 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 30, 2013 08:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by AriesLilith: It's my chart LOL. (how Aries egoccentric of me lolol) Was just curious of my own potential for being a good or evil leader just for fun, thought to be honest, I prefer to follow a leader with whom I would agree and feel inspired of his/her ideals, rather than being the one to guide all (how would I have my own solitude and procrastination if I have too much responsibilities lol).
That chart looks a little like the ones I have looked at so far...with something going on in the ninth, the north node, specifically. Not all spiritual leaders or preachers are evil. The ones who try to control a person completely are the ones I disagree the strongest with. They tell them what to eat, wear, who they marry, where they live, who they talk to, what they can say, when they can breathe and go to the bathroom. That's pretty much like FLDS. No Jupiter/Pluto conjunction in yours. IP: Logged |
AriesLilith Knowflake Posts: 626 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 30, 2013 08:10 PM
How about the following chart? It's from a person who is a spiritual guide and astrologer, not too well known but is like a mentor for her community: IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme Knowflake Posts: 8571 From: neptune Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 30, 2013 08:19 PM
I think fifth house suns are generally well liked.IP: Logged |
AriesLilith Knowflake Posts: 626 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 30, 2013 08:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme: That chart looks a little like the ones I have looked at so far...with something going on in the ninth, the north node, specifically. Not all spiritual leaders or preachers are evil. The ones who try to control a person completely are the ones I disagree the strongest with. They tell them what to eat, wear, who they marry, where they live, who they talk to, what they can say, when they can breathe and go to the bathroom. That's pretty much like FLDS. No Jupiter/Pluto conjunction in yours.
True, a real guide and leader would not be controlling, just guiding and let people follow them by their own will. He/she would focus on on the greater good and other people's happiness, rather than simply spreading one's ideals and rules. It should be about other people finding their own paths rather. This is a big responsibility and challenge, something that would take great wisdom to achieve, that is why I admire people like this. I have met one person who is not a spiritual leader, but in the short time I was with him I knew that he would make a great leader, he inspired me and guided me in something. IP: Logged |
WarriorPrincess7 Knowflake Posts: 250 From: Island of Sirens Registered: Jul 2013
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posted December 30, 2013 08:25 PM
I think heavy Neptunian/pisces influence, especially sun-Neptune or MC-Neptune would be an indicator as well as pluto in the mix. After all, Neptune is the planet of deceit and mysticism.IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 7422 From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron) Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 31, 2013 10:07 AM
AriesLilith, don't you dare steal my business idea! Eckhart Tolle: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Eckhart_Tolle It's a shame his TOB is unknown. I don't know what about you but I think he created a cult around himself. I watched a couple of his videos and...this guy creeps me out. ------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.
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I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 7422 From: Saturn (summer house on Chiron) Registered: Nov 2012
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posted February 13, 2014 01:42 PM
Could I be someone's goddess? ------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.
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summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted February 13, 2014 03:15 PM
lol. Church on vertex.
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summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted February 13, 2014 03:15 PM
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