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I'm so cappy
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posted December 30, 2013 02:06 PM
  
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theunknown
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posted December 30, 2013 02:08 PM
Is this Ep 2 of your religious series?My guess is strong 9th, pluto, BML IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted December 30, 2013 02:09 PM
This is the chart of an utterly vile man but he had a cult of devoted followers and started out looking like he was full of good intentions and idealism. He is thought of as possessing a Neptune singleton.
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cioofileTyDKXT-u1374101751/astro_2atw_01_jim_jones.68847.1506.gif?6743 IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted December 30, 2013 02:10 PM
do u mean the good kind or bad kind?IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted December 30, 2013 02:15 PM
Errr, for a moment I thought this thread has been deleted lol.I mean the successful kind, evil or not. Wait...are there even any good ones? 
As religions = big cults in my dictionary, let's take a look at John Paul's chart now http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Pope_John_Paul_II Neptune, Jupiter and Saturn in the 10th, wow! Pluto in the 9th...
theunknown, this is just a warm up 
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posted December 30, 2013 02:19 PM
I don't think there is such thing as a good or bad cult.Cult mentality no matter if they worship puppies is still unhealthy. Pluto in the 11th comes to mind. Something like YOU DID NO GIVE OFFERINGS TO PUPPY OVERLORD.... DRINK THE PUNCH, PLEASE?
whatever you do don't drink the punch.. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted December 30, 2013 02:21 PM
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Violets
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posted December 30, 2013 02:27 PM
Ahahahahha...Before I even saw this thread pop up I was just looking at the chart of Jim Jones. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted December 30, 2013 02:34 PM
That Jim...the NN in the 9th, Pluto conjunct Jupiter and a Libra MC perfect for attracting people and gaining trust, ew.------------------
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Randall
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posted December 30, 2013 02:37 PM
Keep this related to Astrology, or it will be closed. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted December 30, 2013 02:38 PM
Yes, sir! Now let's honor my previous thread with a minute of silence...
Ron Lafayette Hubbard, the founder of Scientology: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Ron_Lafayette_Hubbard
Libra MC again. Jupiter in the 11th. Lilith conjunct AC. 3rd house Sun and Mercury for a catchy talk. The NN in the 5th - hell yeah, he was a creative beast.
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aquaguy91
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posted December 30, 2013 02:44 PM
Maybe we should take a look at Joseph smith's and Brigham young 's charts.IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted December 30, 2013 02:52 PM
Oh, jeez. L. Ron Hubbard was a Pisces??
That's almost as embarrassing as Justin Bieber. Some of them have hardly anything in their 9th, but more in 3rd house. I have a friend whose chart has a packed 3rd, with oppositions to Pluto and Uranus in 9th, but he's more of an agnostic/atheist type, in spite of his Pisces Sun/Scorpio Ac. Weird. I suppose the 3rd as well as the 9th can be telling, one way or another? IP: Logged |
AriesLilith
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posted December 30, 2013 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
This is the chart of an utterly vile man but he had a cult of devoted followers and started out looking like he was full of good intentions and idealism. He is thought of as possessing a Neptune singleton.
http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cioofileTyDKXT-u1374101751/astro_2atw_01_jim_jones.6 8847.1506.gif?6743
This person has Pluto/Jupiter conjunct right on the 7th house, he might have stron power and influence over others. This forms a t-square with Saturn at first and Venus/Uranus/Moon at 3rd. Notice how Saturn is ruler of first (Cap, Saturn, 10th house symbolism is related to public image, social structure and power), and Venus and Moon are rulers of 10th and 7th. Also, Libra MC, being the sign of others and charm, providig charisma.
Then he has Mercury trine Neptune trine AC, again charm in speech and communicating, and giving off an idealistic impression. They are also from water houses, which can show that his way of communicating can be emotionally appealing. He probably speaks of deep, soulful things. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted December 30, 2013 02:59 PM
yeah 3rd and 9th house are very much linked when you think about it.His 3rd house Pisces going "let's save people". His 9th house Virgo going "let's devote ourselves to this belief system".
when i think of bad cult leaders, i usually link them to people who are charismatic speakers or even manipulative.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted December 30, 2013 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
This person has Pluto/Jupiter conjunct right on the 7th house, he might have stron power and influence over others. This forms a t-square with Saturn at first and Venus/Uranus/Moon at 3rd. Notice how Saturn is ruler of first (Cap, Saturn, 10th house symbolism is related to public image, social structure and power), and Venus and Moon are rulers of 10th and 7th. Also, Libra MC, being the sign of others and charm, providig charisma.
Then he has Mercury trine Neptune trine AC, again charm in speech and communicating, and giving off an idealistic impression. They are also from water houses, which can show that his way of communicating can be emotionally appealing. He probably speaks of deep, soulful things.
And look at Sagittarius, it sits on the cusp of his twelfth while Scorpio mostly covers the tenth house and the cusp of eleventh. I regard eleventh as the house of cults. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted December 30, 2013 04:25 PM
Operative word being *successful* IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted December 30, 2013 04:39 PM
Now some people would consider this guy to be the modern day equivalent of a cult leader. He has tremendous influence over people who are in this organization. Some would say way too much influence.
Notice he has sun, Mercury and node in Sagittarius. The chart doesn't appear to have an accurate birth time. The article is interesting.
http://astropost.blogspot.com/2008/04/birth-chart-warren-jeffs-and-how-his.html IP: Logged |
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posted December 30, 2013 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Oh, jeez. L. Ron Hubbard was a Pisces??
That's almost as embarrassing as Justin Bieber. Some of them have hardly anything in their 9th, but more in 3rd house.
Hubbard notoriously said he went into it for the money. IP: Logged |
AriesLilith
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posted December 30, 2013 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Errr, for a moment I thought this thread has been deleted lol.I mean the successful kind, evil or not. Wait...are there even any good ones?
As religions = big cults in my dictionary, let's take a look at John Paul's chart now http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Pope_John_Paul_II Neptune, Jupiter and Saturn in the 10th, wow! Pluto in the 9th...
theunknown, this is just a warm up
He has Jupiter/Neptune conjunct Leo MC, and Saturn in the 10th house too. Jupiter/Neptune conjunction is related to beliefs and spiritualism, idealism, and Saturn is about structure, social responsibility, paternal figure, and these in the house of public image and social influence fits well for someone who is a pope. Also, these are trine Chiron in the 6th house. Chiron is a mentor figure, 6th house is the house of service for others.
Also, Saturn in Virgo is sextile Pluto in the 9th house and oppose Uranus in the 5th. 9th house is related to beliefs and philosophies.
Lastly, he also has a stellium in the 7th house, house of others. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted December 30, 2013 05:03 PM
I don't consider Popes to be cult leaders really but I guess they could be. They don't exert enough control to be classified as a cult leader imo. They issue decrees but they don't demand people follow. People choose if they will or not. They still have free will, technically, because the Pope doesn't know each and everyone of them personally. He cannot hand out reprimands if they choose not to obey. It's neat JP II has sun conjunct my moon exactly and my Venus conjuncts his MC exactly. Maybe I am spiritualized indirectly through this synastry? IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted December 30, 2013 05:04 PM
I am curious about Mark Driscoll, a creepy cult-style religious guy where I live. And he's become pretty big, with weird hipster zombies walking around the city and whatnot.Sadly, I cannot find his chart. OMG! Eeep! He has the same birthday as my brother and my best friend.  Well, I'll have to look at his chart, but he's really...um. Something, alright.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Driscoll_(pastor) IP: Logged |
AriesLilith
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posted December 30, 2013 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Now some people would consider this guy to be the modern day equivalent of a cult leader. He has tremendous influence over people who are in this organization. Some would say way too much influence.
Notice he has sun, Mercury and node in Sagittarius. The chart doesn't appear to have an accurate birth time. The article is interesting.
http://astropost.blogspot.com/2008/04/birth-chart-warren-jeffs-and-how-his.html
I don't like these charts, where do people find all these weird charts! XP He has Jupiter conjunct Pluto square Saturn, t-square with Chiron, Uranus and Mars/Neptune, maybe these have something to do too. IP: Logged |
AriesLilith
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posted December 30, 2013 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I don't consider Popes to be cult leaders really but I guess they could be. They don't exert enough control to be classified as a cult leader imo. They issue decrees but they don't demand people follow. People choose if they will or not. They still have free will, technically, because the Pope doesn't know each and everyone of them personally. He cannot hand out reprimands if they choose not to obey. It's neat JP II has sun conjunct my moon exactly and my Venus conjuncts his MC exactly. Maybe I am spiritualized indirectly through this synastry?
I see, interesting observation about cult leaders.
Honestly I'm not skilled enough to tell if someone is evil or good by the charts, but looking at Pope's chart, spirituality, public influence and guidance for others are really strong themes. It's amazing really, how the symbolism in his chart all points to the common theme. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted December 30, 2013 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
I don't like these charts, where do people find all these weird charts! XPHe has Jupiter conjunct Pluto square Saturn, t-square with Chiron, Uranus and Mars/Neptune, maybe these have something to do too.
I wish I could find his birth time then I would create my own astro.com chart. No sense in creating one without the time. That Jupiter conjunct Pluto is pretty heavy stuff, I guess. Some of them see themselves as controllers of others spirituality, kind of like a human/god aspect. They see themselves as divinity incarnate, maybe? IP: Logged |
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