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Topic: What's the widest orb you use (personally) for different aspects?
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Violets
Knowflake Posts: 1592
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 06:20 PM
  
Especially for Sun and Moon.
Sextile orb?
Asteroid conjunct luminary orb?Sextile in general?
Trine? I know some people prefer very tight orbs, but I'm wondering what everyone thinks, on an individual basis, of an acceptable orb for different aspects. IP: Logged |
AriesLilith
Knowflake Posts: 272
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posted December 30, 2013 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
Especially for Sun and Moon.
Sextile orb?
Asteroid conjunct luminary orb?Sextile in general?
Trine? I know some people prefer very tight orbs, but I'm wondering what everyone thinks, on an individual basis, of an acceptable orb for different aspects.
Usually I would go with intuitive feel about the aspect, and for conjunctions I would consider up to 7º degrees, while trines maybe around 5º degrees. Sextiles, quincunxes I don't pay much attention, they are more perceived as compatible or incompatible sides. Sextiles I'd pay more attention if they are part of other aspects (like sextile/trine to an opposition). Personally, I see it as the following: the wider the aspect is, the less effect it has. And then conjunctions and trines are mainly focused, since they are of the same element or sign that the affinity is stronger. It also depends on what kind of chart I'm looking at. In natals, tight aspects are more relevant but elements in compatible signs still shows a theme; while in synastry, sign compatibility can still be felt but I wouldn't pay as much attention, specially if sextile. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 7948
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 30, 2013 06:45 PM
LOL what... sextiles are important astrologically......
They are not so minorShows the compatibility between two elemental pairs.
Earth-Earth and Air-Fire.. Trines are same elements
squares are between the same mode. I treat minor aspects generally as two planets interacting.
It's not very specific like the major aspects. I noticed wider orbs are usually a lot easier to deal with.
Tight aspects have more of a chance of being negative rather than positive because the it's so potent depends on the aspects and the two planets. IP: Logged |
Delilah423
Knowflake Posts: 78
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posted December 30, 2013 06:46 PM
I would think a 0 degree sextile could be a lot more important than a 5 degree trine, depending upon the circumstances.But I'm a basically a novice going merely by logic and intuition. And quincunxes can definitely be important, in my admittedly limited experience. IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 1592
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 06:48 PM
7 degrees is probably too wide of an orb to count as a sextile, even to the Moon, eh?Bummer, because I would have a kite formation if that sextile were counted. But I do believe that I feel that energy, nonetheless (Saturn to Moon). What does a kite formation imply, anyway?
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Violets
Knowflake Posts: 1592
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 06:51 PM
I am paying more attention to quincunxes now than I used to. They do require a bit of care, or at least noticing their energy.Oddly, I feel the wide orb sextile between my Moon and Saturn WAAAYYYY more than I feel the wide orb (8 degrees), out of sign conjunction with my Venus and Jupiter. I basically don't feel it at all, that I'm aware of. Unless it just intensifies my Venus/Pluto opposition...  IP: Logged |
AriesLilith
Knowflake Posts: 272
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posted December 30, 2013 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
LOL what... sextiles are important astrologically......
They are not so minorShows the compatibility between two elemental pairs.
Earth-Earth and Air-Fire.. Trines are same elements
squares are between the same mode. I treat minor aspects generally as two planets interacting.
It's not very specific like the major aspects. I noticed wider orbs are usually a lot easier to deal with.
Tight aspects have more of a chance of being negative rather than positive because the it's so potent depends on the aspects and the two planets.
But no one said that they are minor. :P Just paying less attention to them personally. As you said, they are compatibility of different elements, and IMO, the aspects of same elements or even sign shows stronger effect/affinity compared to them (this is also why different max. orb is taken into consideration for conjunctions, trines and sextiles). As for wider orbs being easier to deal, it's an interesting observation, there is truth in this. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 7948
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 30, 2013 07:05 PM
LOL but astrologically they are significant.Nothing personal.
You can follow astrology as you wish but I have to correct false information so others don't get confused, It's just a fact sextiles are important. IP: Logged |
AriesLilith
Knowflake Posts: 272
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posted December 30, 2013 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
LOL but astrologically they are significant.Nothing personal.
You can follow astrology as you wish but I have to correct false information so others don't get confused, It's just a fact sextiles are important.
True true, you are right as sextiles and quincunxes/semi sextiles being important too, but I was just stating something like conjunction > trines > sextiles/quincunxes/semi sextiles when it comes to effect and the attention I pay for them, not dismissing them as minors. XP (this is also not personal, it's my Virgo AC also trying to correct logical misunderstandings lol) IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 1592
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 07:15 PM
I agree that sextiles are important, but I'm not really sure what type of orb is a good one to use for positive aspects, especially regarding aspects to luminaries. It seems like the luminaries feel any type of connection more strongly (and hence a wider orb might be used) than other planets, besides maybe chart Ruler or other personal planets.I like my Pluto/Neptune/Mercury talent triangle. It's probably the best thing about my chart, really. IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 1592
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 07:16 PM
And why is there such a wide orb generally allowed for squares? It seems like most people allow for a wider orb for squares than for trines, which doesn't make sense to me.IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 1592
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 07:23 PM
I just want my Moon sextile Saturn, d@mmit. 
And my Saturn trine Uranus, which would give me a Grand Trine. But alas...I have a crappy chart with just one little talent triangle and a ton of squares and oppositions. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 6580
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted December 30, 2013 07:31 PM
I would go up to ten degrees on everything however it is very relative to the person who has the chart and what they say they experience in their lives. Some will notice wider orbs while others don't. In my chart, there are so many exact or near exact, I don't really notice the ones that are really wide so much. Let's say someone has a chart full of wide orbs with hardly any nearly exact. They might notice them more. IP: Logged |
summerlite
Knowflake Posts: 400
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posted December 30, 2013 07:32 PM
weird. i thought i have Moon sq Mercury because I feel it but now I don't.I suppose when looking at aspects, check if the signs are square too... if that makes sense. For conjunctions, if they are out of sign, they can feel a little strange. I use orbs up to 7 deg but someone told me it's 8 deg. IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 1592
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I would go up to ten degrees on everything however it is very relative to the person who has the chart and what they say they experience in their lives. Some will notice wider orbs while others don't. In my chart, there are so many exact or near exact, I don't really notice the ones that are really wide so much. Let's say someone has a chart full of wide orbs with hardly any nearly exact. They might notice them more.
Hmm. That's a good point. Every planet in my chart has at least two aspects (usually more), but most of them are somewhat wide orbs (3-6 degrees or more). Maybe I would feel the wider orbs more for that reason.
The tightest aspects I have are the Sun/Moon opposition (1 degree) and Neptune sextile Mercury (minutes). I don't really care about my Ceres conjunct Venus, even though it's exact. If I feel it, it's not positive so I kind of shrug it off. IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 1592
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 07:42 PM
Eh...maybe I do feel Jupiter conjunct my Ceres/Venus, now that I consider it as not necessarily some sort of "I'm such a pleasant, Venusian person" type of aspect. More like "I have Venus in Aries opposite Pluto, and it's very noticeable". Hmm. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx
Knowflake Posts: 3047
From: Mountain Gate
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 30, 2013 08:16 PM
I like Ten for the Luminaries, Six for everything else.
You have to take into account the Energy of things, i.e. a Stellium including the Sun is going to pack quite a wallop. Dignities...
You shouldn't worry so much what other people say, study it and figure out for yourself. IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 1592
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I like Ten for the Luminaries, Six for everything else.
You have to take into account the Energy of things, i.e. a Stellium including the Sun is going to pack quite a wallop. Dignities...
You shouldn't worry so much what other people say, study it and figure out for yourself.
I'm lazy, hahaaha.
But I think that I tend to agree with you regarding orbs. That does make sense to me.
What do you use for asteroids, if you don't mind me asking? IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx
Knowflake Posts: 3047
From: Mountain Gate
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 30, 2013 08:37 PM
I have enough to learn with the basics, ha.(Don't Cloud the Issue with rocks...) Do Love Moldavite, though... IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 1592
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 09:15 PM
I love to look at moonstone, but hematite and jade are what tend to feel really good in my hand.  IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx
Knowflake Posts: 3047
From: Mountain Gate
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 30, 2013 09:22 PM
Jade does.Fluorite as well... IP: Logged |
Delilah423
Knowflake Posts: 78
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Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 30, 2013 09:47 PM
The typical recommendation for asteroids is 1 degree, but I think it depends upon the asteroid. There are some circumstances where I might consider up to 3 degrees with the major aspects and asteroids. And I think for a variety of reasons that anyone who doesn't pay attention to at least the first four (Ceres, Pallas, Juno, and Vesta) is missing out on a lot of helpful information.
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Ellynlvx
Knowflake Posts: 3047
From: Mountain Gate
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 30, 2013 10:02 PM
OH, I don't mean to criticize.Each to his own. I just have plenty I need to work on right here at home... IP: Logged |
Violets
Knowflake Posts: 1592
From: Twin Peaks
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 30, 2013 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by Delilah423:
The typical recommendation for asteroids is 1 degree, but I think it depends upon the asteroid. There are some circumstances where I might consider up to 3 degrees with the major aspects and asteroids. And I think for a variety of reasons that anyone who doesn't pay attention to at least the first four (Ceres, Pallas, Juno, and Vesta) is missing out on a lot of helpful information.
Delilah, do you have any solid links for in-depth descriptions of the major asteroids? I have a hard time finding much helpful information on any of them, to be honest. The descriptions I do come across can seem really one dimensional, unfortunately. So no, I don't pay much attention to them, but I would like to be able to if I knew more about them. IP: Logged |
IMoppedtheFloor
Knowflake Posts: 171
From: USA
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted December 31, 2013 06:10 AM
I tend to use huge orbs in comparison to most because I kept noticing that a lot of times when people would say an aspect didn't count because of the orb, I still felt that aspect or saw that aspect in someone else anyway.I definitely have Mars square Pluto, I feel that aspect, but most astrologers would ignore it entirely because of the orb. Same for Sun-Neptune. And I've seen enough people whose large orb aspects were clearly activated and operating in that person to just be really cynical about the whole "3 degree orb or nothing" thing. IP: Logged |
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