posted January 06, 2014 09:52 AM              

WEll, the Age harmonic sports:

- Moon on 1 Aries conjunct Chiron on 00 Aries, square Sun on 2 Capricorn.

- Sun also trined SAturn on 3 Virgo - probably hte reason she tried to make it work for so long

- Venus conjunct Mars by 2 degrees - I think the 2 degree orb for conjunctions is still effective, I have seen that one over and over again by now.

- Venus squared the ASC and Neptune quinkunxed the ASC

- Pluto conjunct SN by 2 degrees - she was completely compulsively drawn to that guy, though after the year passed by she had no clue why

- Pluto also squared Saturn by 2 degrees

- Uranus squared BML and opposed Ceres EXACT

I suppose that pretty much sums it up

The year she got married:

- ASC conjunct Venus and Venus was slowly applying to a conjunction with Mars (as a matter of fact her AH ASC fell onto her husband`s natal Moon)

- ASC exactly trine Ceres and Neptune

- Venus and Mars both trined Moon (near his natal Mars)

- Sun sextile SAturn exact

- Jupiter conjunct Juno

- BML exactly trine the NOdes, and both exact sextile Pluto

EDIT:

In the AH of a guy for the year his longterm relationship broke apart, he had an exact alignment of

posted January 06, 2014 01:13 PM            

I'm talking about your helio composite Ceri,

and let's not forget;

Venus/Uranus midp. = Earth/moon
Saturn/Jupiter midp. = Venus/Neptune midp.

( ^^ about '30 both)

All the MAIN ones are so tightly connected that it feels pretty much a miracle, no?

I wonder how often we would see this in a composite..

..

posted January 06, 2014 02:19 PM              

"How is that ever possible.. a puzzle where all the pieces fall into place!?"
Yeah, but what does it mean?

I am always kinda disappointed about our synastry, cause I just think I should not feel as attracted to him as I do.
We do not even have a Venus-Pluto aspect in the synastry! No Moon-Pluto. No Moon-Mars.
And the Venus-Mars-trine is 5 degrees wide.

We do have som serious Sun-Moon-Saturn-business obviously, but for spicy hot compelling attraction I really want to see VEnus or Mars in aspect to Mars, Uranus, Pluto. I usually do see those.
But not in our case, unless we start scratching for the fact that his Pluto is semisquare my Mars and ASC. lol
or his Venus on the antiscion of my Mars.

The tropical composite is not that compelling either; though it has a tight Moon-Mars-square and Venus-Pluto-square (the Moon-Mars overlaying his natal Venus-Puto and my Vertex). And some compelling midpoints, including Lilith and Priapus.

But still, it always feels like it should be more obvious and in-my-face then it seems to be.

The helio composite is definitely something with that GT of Venus-Pluto-Jupiter.

"Venus/Uranus midp. = Earth/moon
Saturn/Jupiter midp. = Venus/Neptune midp.

( ^^ about '30 both)"

Oh yes? ID did not see those.
I suppose the Venus/Uranus one makes sense, given the electric feeling I get around him.

"I wonder how often we would see this in a composite.."
LOL
You haven`T seen my helio composite with Ian Somerhalder.

Also a Kite formation.

GT of Neptune and Mars on 13 Sagittarius trine Venus on 12 ARies trine Saturn on 11 Leo.

Pluto on 12 Libra (and Valentine on 10 Libra) are opposite Venus, and sextile Neptune, Mars and Saturn.

Karma on 11 Gemini is sort of part of it as well.

Of course it means that we have:

Venus= Saturn/Neptune = Saturn/Mars = Pluto
Saturn = Venus/Mars = Venus/Neptune
Neptune = Mars = Venus/Saturn

(which seems like a recipe for: Nope, not going to work. EVER. and if you try you will suffer a lot)

Interesting how the midpoint pictures give such a descriptive image, even though basically it is both Grand Trines.

Also amazingly i sem to have a thing for the 12-13 degrees of air and fire signs in helio composite. I wonder why this is so.

there is nothing going on with these in my helio natal chart.

posted January 06, 2014 02:30 PM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
well, not to rain on your golden rect progressed composite,

but

here is my regular Composite chart with my S.O. of many years.

The most amazing thing is that the Composite Sun/Venus 0 degree conjunction continued in the progressed charts for years until today, I guess something to do with the same speed of these two planets. The conjunction is progressing tightly (0 degree) together and still is to this day.

here is our regular Composite chart

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Ah Orange, you are not raining on anyone`s parade.
There is place and space and interest for all our composites here. I think so at least, you decide, it is your thread after all.

And isn`t yours so sweet with the Sun-Venus-conjunction walking in stride?
I love that. And he is your significant other for a reason.

For me, Mr SAg is just a crush, and I am desperately trying to find out why he is, and why I am so fascinated, and trying to match astrology to this. Just trying to understand what is going on there.

As for your por composite wow, did you see, that pr Moon is applyng to conjunct Sun and Venus in deep Scorpio, too?

posted January 06, 2014 02:56 PM              

Venus = Earth/ Mars 0°43
Venus = Jupiter / Pluto 1°10
Pluto = Venus / Jupiter 1°07
Neptune = Venus/ Pluto 1°25
Earth = Venus / Uranus 0°26
Mars = Saturn / Uranus 0°01

posted January 06, 2014 03:18 PM              

Mars = Saturn / Uranus 0°01
Resentment/ the Conqueror
The drive for freedom and for independence from restraints.
STruggling against feeling restrained, with possible harshness.
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Earth = Venus / Uranus 0°26
Love surprise / to see eternity in a grain of sand

changeable, unusual affections; suprirsed in love; a surprise love; an unusal love, birth or marriage.

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Venus = Earth/ Mars 0°43
passionate love / passion

the creative artist. the drive to love, to create. procreation. the love of passion. strong sense of valuation or appreciation.

passion in love. Strong sex. conception.

Image:
a naked man making love to a woman.

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Pluto = Venus / Jupiter 1°07
Rough love

passionate, deep (could be rough) relationships.

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Venus = Jupiter / Pluto 1°10
Power loving / powerfully creative

Powerful love and loving. Successful relationships.

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Neptune = Venus/ Pluto 1°25
Dark fantasy / accepting fate
Subtle but very sexual attraction. Deep seduction. Dark fantasies.

posted January 06, 2014 03:40 PM            

Can you tell me what he says of

Midpoints in synastry :

Sun/Moon= Venus=ASC=Node
Sun/Moon= Saturn
Sun/Venus=Pluto
Sun/Venus= ASC=Venus=Node
Venus/ASC=Pluto
Venus/Node=Pluto
Pluto/MC=ASC=Venus=Node
Node/Vertex=Venus=ASC=Node
Sun/Pluto=Venus=ASC=Mode
Venus/MC = ASC=Node=Venus
Moon/Venus=Pluto

posted January 06, 2014 04:00 PM            

If this wouldn't be your SO for life.. then I'm going crazy.

(I only sense degree of powerfullness as I'm no God and I refuce to reduce the miracle of the stars to something of that order - I'm on my way yes)

This composite again IS a miracle, that's all I can say. Rare rare rare..

Ceri,

quote:

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I am always kinda disappointed about our synastry, cause I just think I should not feel as attracted to him as I do.
We do not even have a Venus-Pluto aspect in the synastry! No Moon-Pluto. No Moon-Mars.
And the Venus-Mars-trine is 5 degrees wide.

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I remeber your geo composite with Mr Sag... there was a pretty strong midpoint configuration between... Venus/Mars/Pluto/Moon there (I thought?)

All the ones you mentioned strongly tied together in the composite?

And then..

see what those planets do in the HELIO composite! a repetition in powerfullness of the most interesting kind!

I'm really not so impressed anymore about a synastry aspect on its own without further resonances in the composite. I really start to think that's it's all in the composite and that we may NOT underestimate the midpoints in it!

posted January 06, 2014 04:19 PM              

he only lists midpoints including planets.

Sun/Moon= Venus=
appy Marriage / to be content

friendships. harmony in relationship, the free flow of affection.

Sun/Moon= Saturn
obstacles to union

inhibitions in getting together.

iMAGE
a man and woman look longingly at each other, divided by a raging torrent of water

(I think though that overemphasizing the separative tendencies of Saturn; but personally I think it can alos point at a very solid commitment).
However Isometimes wonder if Saturn connected to love-midpoints might pooint to hesitation to "go there", a certain restriction for expressing the feelings.

"Sun/Venus=Pluto"
Destined lovers

powerful love. deep connections. strong sexuality. meant for each other.

"Sun/Pluto=Venus"
intense craving

powerful love and appreciation. vulnerable in love. intense longing or craving.

"Moon/Venus=Pluto"
Deepest feelings

posted January 06, 2014 04:24 PM              

"
For some reason, my Venus, ASC, Node all together fall on a lot of his natal midpoints.
His Pluto-Venus-Moon fall most frequently on my midpoints."
This sounds like an extremely emotional and romantic intense affecting of each other.

"As about your attraction to Mr. Sagge,
Its not love, its not sexual, it seems that it is something that clicks on a soul level, core level."
I am not ruling out the possibility that maybe there is some physical attraction at play.

" How is your Draconic looking like?
I will post the charts later.

"Any planet that rules most of your chart?"
Well, I have Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC and NN in Sagittarius.
He has Sun, Moon, Mercury and MC in Sagittarius.

So for us both Jupiter disposits our Sag-stellium.
His Jupiter is on 10 Virgo (conj. his Mars on 11 Virgo), opposite my Jupiter on 11 Pisces.

But as you can see it once again affects the luminaries, but not Venus.

posted January 06, 2014 04:40 PM              

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As for the Draco - tropical links (only conj. and opposition within 3 degrees)

his ASC Conjunct my Dr Mars exact
his ASC conjunct my Dr ASC
his MErcur opposite my Dr Moon
his Venus conjunct my Dr Pluto
his Venus conjunct my Dr MC
his Saturn opposite my Dr Mars
his Saturn conjunct my Dr DESC
his Juno opposite my Dr Pluto
his Juno conjunct my Dr IC
his Karma conjunct my Dr Karma

my ASC, Neptune and NN conjunct his Dr Chiron
my Venus oposite his Dr Mercury
my Chiron widely conjunct his Dr DESC
my Karma conjunct his Dr Valentine
my Saturn conjunct his Dr Neptune
my Eros conjunct his Dr Neptune
my Pluto opposite his Dr Mars-Jupiter exact
my Pluto opposite his Dr Amor
my Pluto conjunct his Dr Eros
my Uranus opposite his Dr Karma on my 5th house cusp exact

posted January 06, 2014 04:41 PM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
Thanks Mir,
We've been together for years and years, and i dont see us able to live separately on our own anymore, but then again, never say never...
He gets physically sick when im away on a work trip for a week or longer.
Im a 100% sure that if he dies first, he will be waiting on the gate for me when my time comes, hold my hand as always and we'll just embark away as if nothing had happened. Its true :-)
If you remember, i discovered in our magi CAC that magical super sexual tantric dragon ( lol) or something like that..

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posted January 06, 2014 04:46 PM            

I am getting obsessed with midpoints and Composites recently. Like Mir said, Composite is the aftermath of the planet's battle in synastry,.... We may not see certain planetary interactions because we only look at the ptolemaic aspects, but in astronomy/astrology Math and Geometry rule, and the Composite is their love child.

posted January 06, 2014 04:59 PM              

"I remeber your geo composite with Mr Sag... there was a pretty strong midpoint configuration between... Venus/Mars/Pluto/Moon there (I thought?)"

Yes, but also including the squares to midpoints.

NN: 20.46 Libra

Mars/Pluto: 19.11 Libra
Moon/Venus: 19.27 Capricorn

semisquare/ sesisquare
Moon/Pluto: 19.03
Venus/Mars: 19.34

His natal Pluto is on 21.23 Libra in his 7th house (ruling 8th).

"see what those planets do in the HELIO composite! a repetition in powerfullness of the most interesting kind!"
Yes, it is really interesting.

"I'm really not so impressed anymore about a synastry aspect on its own without further resonances in the composite. I really start to think that's it's all in the composite and that we may NOT underestimate the midpoints in it!"
I agree with you there.
I mean I am still researching it, and do not want to jump conclusions, but it seems to prove itself over and over again.

BTW speaking of Moon-Venus-Mars-Pluto, I was looking for midpoints in the synastry:

my Moon/Venus conjuncts his Venus
my Venus/Mars conjunct his Neptune
my Venus/Pluto conjuncts his Uranus

his Venus/Mars squares my Moon
his Venus/Pluto conjuncts my ASC
his Venus/Pluto conjuncts my Neptune
his Venus/Pluto conjuncts my NN

posted January 06, 2014 05:04 PM              

"I am getting obsessed with midpoints and Composites recently."
Yes, me, too.
Maybe you noticed it in this thread.

"We may not see certain planetary interactions because we only look at the ptolemaic aspects, but in astronomy/astrology Math and Geometry rules, and the Composite is their love child."
Exactly.
But one has to know how to read a composite. A sextile here and there will not mark a strong lasting relationship imo.
there is a reason why we use the conjunction, opposition and maybe square with midpoints.
I am not saying I do not enjoy tight trines and sextiles. But actually I seem to observe that those sextiles and trines that are VERY strong in effect, usually also are making a midpoint pattern.
Like every grand trine for example.

posted January 07, 2014 03:12 PM            

quote:

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"We may not see certain planetary interactions because we only look at the ptolemaic aspects, but in astronomy/astrology Math and Geometry rules, and the Composite is their love child."
Exactly.

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Ah yes yes.. indeed.

There's another significant symmetry not very visible for the eye when comparing charts. You almost can't spot them in the composite.
According to D. Cochrane not as strong as the composite conjunctions/oppositions but very significant when it comes to a deep friendship level.

A little insight;

We all know that the composite conj/opp is the result of a same degree natal aspect and DW synastry aspect (no matter what degree).

We all know that to get such a conj/opp both natal aspects have to be mirrored;

Natal of A;

- Sun Libra 10
- Venus Libra 20

Natal of B;

- Sun Scorp 23
- Venus Scorp 13

The result is a composite (Sun/Venus) conjunction.
With one Venus comes 10 degr. after the Sun, with the other 10 before the Sun.

BUT... what if;

A;
- Sun Libra 10
- Venus Libra 20

B;
- Sun Scorp 23
- Venus Sag 3

In this case not a composite conjunction.
With both Venus comes 10 degr. after the Sun.

Is this important? Yes.

This is called a "mixed midpoint alignment".

The midpoint of A's Sun and B's Venus is the exact same as the midpoint of B's Sun and A's Venus (6,5 Scorp in this case).

These mixed midpoint alignments can be pretty easily seen when 2 pairs of the same planets make the same ptolemaic aspects;

A)
- Sun Sag 7
- Venus 15 Cap

B)
- Sun Taurus 7
- Venus 15 Gem

Well I guess it's Always nice to be a little more aware of what's behind the scenes

Ceri, if I remember right this is what you have with Mr Sag and both your Chiron & Venus.

posted January 07, 2014 03:44 PM              

I forgot about that, but of course you are right, we both have a biseptile between Venus and Chiron natally, and therefore the composite ALSO has a biseptile between Venus and Chiron.

His Venus/my Chiron: 7°58 Pisces
his Chiron/my Venus: 7°52 Pisces

posted January 07, 2014 04:18 PM              

For him:
Juno (27 Cancer) sextile Saturn (26 Virgo)
Juno (27 Cancer) quinkunx Moon (28 Sag)
Saturn square Moon

For me:
Juno (17 Pisces) trine Saturn (17 Cancer)
Juno (17 PIsces) semisextile Moon (17 Aquarius
Satrn quinkunx Juno

(I think I win in terms of exactness. lol)

Of course that means we also have a 12th harmonic triangle in composite.

Moon (22 Capricorn) trine Juno (22 Taurus)
Moon (22 Cap) quinkunx Saturn (21 Leo)
Juno square Saturn

Easy? No, most certainly not. But I suppose it IS a pattern.

I am not yet sure which natal or synsatric configuration is responsible for the composite 5th harmonic triangle of Jupiter in 5th quintile Saturn in 7th, and both biquintile Venus in 12th. Which means Venus is on the Jupiter/Saturn-mp

Jupiter quintile Saturn 0°51
Venus biquintile Jupiter 0°39
Venus biquintile Saturn 0°11

Jupiter/Saturn-mp: 16°15 Cancer (curiously RIGHT on my Saturn - now let`s think hard who is probably manifesting the Saturnian brake there. lol)
Venus: 16°01 Capricorn

posted January 09, 2014 03:14 PM            

Ok,..

I had a look at our progressed composite and I was pretty satisfied with it..

And then I found this on astrologers' community;

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The best way to use a progressed composite is to combine the seperate progressed natal charts for each person (taken up to the day in question) and then make a composite of that chart, to see what the actual composite for that date is; then a year later, take the further progressed natal of each and then make up a new composite for that time, and so on; however, I don't think the software @ astro.com allows us to make composites of progressed natal charts.

The idea of progressing the COMPOSITE as such (as if the composite were the natal) does not work, because the compoiste itself is only the net of the seperate natals, midpointed to represent a new "being" (ie, the combined natals of both persons)

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posted January 09, 2014 03:19 PM              

Probably astro.com takes the progressed natals and makes a composite.

posted January 09, 2014 03:43 PM            

what do you, guys, think of sole dispositors in Composite charts?