posted January 03, 2014 04:17 PM              

Anyway, when Mr Sag and me first met, many years ago, and I don`t think he even remembers. lol.

sp Venus was conjunct n Antivertex, and the Transiting Neptune-Chiron-NN-conjunction was conjunct it as well.

The tertiary progressed composite had ASC on 13 Aries conjunct tp Mars on 14 Aries (still within one degree), and when we coincidentally bumped into each other some weeks later, the tp DESC was conjunct composite Pluto exact.

- tp Juno was conjunct tp Vertex

- tp Venus was only 2 degrees off the composite Moon, and on the exact midpoint of Venus/Moon-mp (6 degree conjunction).

However the one that I found most interesting, was when some years after that, out of the nowwhere he was approaching me during a show. Just part of his show I suppose, but the astrology was quite interesting.

- sp Sun was conjunct n ASC by one minute only! with Tr Mars opposping it by 2 degrees

- sp Moon was opposing n Mars

- tp Sun had just begun a new cycle being on 00°05n Aries with Transiting Sun opposing from 1 Libra and Tr Uranus conjunct from 2 Aries

- tp Mars on the tp Antivertex with zero orb (0.00)

additionally tp Mars was opposite n Uranus (chartruler) and tp Vertex was conjunct n Uranus

- tp DESC was conjunct n Sun by a bit more than 1 degree, but at the same time exactly on my own Sun-MErcury-conjunction

- tp Jupiter oppospite n Moon

posted January 04, 2014 06:49 AM              

But if you are not a fan, donīt bother with it.

I just happen to notice that especially the tertiary composites are VERY specific and a great tool for timing events, and also describing the nature of what is happening.

However, even more convincing than that for me has been the composite between my natal chart and the event/ transit chart. It has never failed me once.

I suppose you could even do it with a composite, though I have not tried it. But then again I have the luxury of being able to play around with it using my solar fire; it is not possible to do it just with astro.com, as you can`t make composites with composites.
However I do think that the composites are what specifically tells us what is up with the relationship as a whole, and not just each individual.

People can experience the same moment in time, and yet it may not have anything to do with each other. However the composite in relation to the moment in time will always include both people and their connection to each other.

posted January 04, 2014 07:15 AM              

- a triple conjunction of Moon, Uranus and Neptune in the 1st house, though the Moon is only loosely connected (12°, 17°, 19°)
this means that Uranus is loosely on the midpoint of Moon/Neptune (but still under 2 degrees)

- Moon is sextile Sun by 2 degrees
- Uranus and Neptune are sextile Venus by 4 and 2 degrees)

- the Moon-Uranus-Neptune is also trine the Mercury-Mars conjunction on 19 and 15 Virgo

- Venus trines Pluto with 1 degree; opposes Mercury by 2 degrees, and widely opposes Mars by 6 degrees; squares the nodal axis exactly.

SN conjunct Mercury/Venus-mp, but it is out of orb for the Venus/Mars-mp (3°06)

However the nodal axis and Venus both are triggering

Neptune/PLuto
Uranus/Pluto
Jupiter/Juno
Sun/Jupiter
Mars/Jupiter

- Sun is conjunct Venus widely (7 degrees)

Sun/Venus square Moon/PLuto, square Venus/Mars,

opposite Mercury

- Sun opposes Mercury (5 degrees) and Mars (1 degree)

- Moon was widely conjunct ASC (7 degrees - which means that some time before the actual meeting it had passed the horizon).

Moon conjunct Pluto/Lilith
Sun conjunct Venus/Lilith

Sun/Moon conjunct Uranus/Juno conjunct Venus/ASC

Moon/Venus conjunct Sun/Neptune

posted January 04, 2014 01:44 PM            

- Synastry - Tropical, include the asteroids
- Synastry - Heliocentric. I noticed way too often that a Saturn ( or Pluto) in a hard aspect to another's Earth/Moon results in a heavy heartbreak, wheres the Saturn person would abandon the Earth/Moon person in a sudden, heartbreaking, sensless way. The last two charts I checked yesterday for this aspect alone were Brad/Jennifer - his Saturn exactly opposes her Earth, and the other couple was Russell Crowe/Meg Ryan - his Saturn squares her Earth at 0 degree. Also the same aspect was apparent in the helio synastry of some of my friends.
- Synastry, Draconic
- Composite, tropical
- Composite, draconic
- Sidereal synastry - questionable in regard to should we compare one's Sidereal to partner's tropical, really? I have noticed quite a few astonishing links between two charts that way, but not sure if it has bearance as it mixes two different zodiacs.
- Progressed Composite - I am an avid fan of that one.
- Converse progressions for each party - questionable
- Solar Arc and Progressions for each party
- Transits for each party
- Transits to the Composite Chart - I only check the outer, slow moving planets to Composite planets and especially angles
- Composite chart to each natal chart.
- 9 harmonic chart comparison - questionable
- tertiary progressions for each - questionable, I almost never check it
- dwad comparison - somehow I never warmed up to this but I still check it
- Midpoints synastry - Favorite. I always check Sun/Moon midpoint, Sun/Venus, Venus/ Vertex, Venus/Node, Node/Vertex, Pluto/MC, Moon/Venus, Moon/Pluto, Venus/Pluto and Mars/Venus, ASC/DSC.
- First meeting chart
- Progressed Composite for the first day when two people meet
- Coalescent chart - questionable
- Planetary Geometry in synastry and Composite - Favorite.
- The Venus chart - questionable. I only did it twice.
- Venus Return charts for each party. Include the name asteroid.
- Midpoints compared to partner's midpoints. Questionable, I am not sure if that works, other that a Transiting planet will activate them both at the same time. For example, my Sun/Moon midpoint exactly conjuncts his Venus/Mars midpoint. Aside from TR planet activating them both, I am not sue the two midpoints exchange any signals between each other. I've seen other astrologers do that, however.

posted January 04, 2014 02:07 PM              

"- Synastry - Heliocentric. I noticed way too often that a Saturn ( or Pluto) in a hard aspect to another's Earth/Moon results in a heavy heartbreak,"
No, I can`t confirm that.
Any Earth/Moon aspect will also appear in the ropical of course, and Saturn in challenging aspect to Saturn very often appears in couples who "make it", too.
True though, there are ALSO couples, who don`t and their relationship will crash and burn (or freeze in this instance).

But I just can`t see it as a rule; all I can really say is if they make it, it will be solid as a rock. If they donīt, they will fail on a grand scale,w ith a lot of heartbreak.

"I only check the outer, slow moving planets to Composite planets and especially angles"
Yes, esp. if I want to see tendencies of a time frame, in the case of a very specific event I might check all the planets though.

"- Composite chart to each natal chart."
VERY important. In my experience telling even more than the composite chart alone.

"- tertiary progressions for each - questionable, I almost never check it"
Not questionable in my observation. But I am still in researching mode, though it might still tilt to the questionable.

"- Midpoints synastry - Favorite. I always check Sun/Moon midpoint, Sun/Venus, Venus/ Vertex, Venus/Node, Node/Vertex, Pluto/MC, Moon/Venus, Moon/Pluto, Venus/Pluto and Mars/Venus, ASC/DSC. "
Yes, midpoints are SO important. Since I check Moon/Venus I also check Sun/Mars.
I also love Jupiter-midpoints, like Sun/Jupiter (excellent for that friendship vibe), Moon/Jupiter (genuine sympathy), Venus/Jupiter (a light feeling of joy, a little bit being in love, though not necessarily the deep kind).
Mars/Jupiter (energetic)

I also check Mars/Pluto, though this one can be a bit too...

Also for that feeling of fatedness (not always the positive kind though).

Saturn/Pluto, Pluto/Vertex, Pluto/Node (Oh my God I could write VOLUMES about this one. lol) Node/Vertex.

For romance specifically I also add Venus/Neptune (very romantic, though sometimes too romantic and idealized to be true).
Also Venus/Uranus (sudden flashes of falling in love, unfortunattely often followed by falling out of love just as quickly; definitely an on-off-thing possible there).

I also keep an eye on Saturn/Uranus (separative tendencies, should I stay or go? Always torn inside) and Saturn/Neptune (not liking this one too much).

"- Planetary Geometry in synastry and Composite - Favorite."
Yes, for me too.

However, while I do not add anything to it just now, but I will trace patterns. Natal - synastry- composite. And then reflected in the transits and progressions.

Two people natally having Venus/Pluto, it will be a theme in composite, too. Often they will have Venus/Pluto in synastry, too or in the midpoints. Obviously the orbs have to be REALLY narrow for this to matter (generational and all). And the more predominant, the more it is tied to angles - maybe it will only be a really strong pattern IF it is tied to angles in any way. Not sure about htat yet. -

As a matter of fact I think adding to the geometry, which is indicative of pattern on its own (and often includes midpoint patterns), it is these recurring patterns we have to deal with in the course of the relationship.

I also notice the first meeting chart, if the connection will be a very significant one, lifechanging for both or at least one partner, will reflect these patterns, too.
Some of them at least.

posted January 04, 2014 02:15 PM              

this years age harmonics for me include:

- AH ASC conjunct natal Venus

- AH Sun exactly conjunct natal Sun/Moon-mp and Antivertex

- AH Venus exactly conjunct natal BML

- AH Jupiter exactly conjunct natal Juno

- AH SN conjunct AH BML exactly

- AH Saturn, AH Antivertex, AH Juno all on 1 Scorpio conjunct natal Uranus on 1 Scorpio

Usually they need transits triggers though.

Well as a mater of fact when I was seeing Jude Law on stage last week, transiting Sun was exactly conjunct my AH ASC, natal Venus (and his own Sun ).

It works for timing purposes every time. lol

(transiting Node is just exactly conjunct the AH SN-BML conjunction).

posted January 04, 2014 02:49 PM            

What do you know about Pluto/Node midpont?
How about her Moon on his Pluto/Node ( not in mine)?

I've read ( Ebertin) Venus/Node = Pluto = fanatical attachment, inseparable union.
I have that one at 0.1

Actually, I just checked it again - The Venus/ASC = Pluto is fanatic attachment and love
Venus/Node = Pluto is un-separable union

as long as Pluto/Nodes,
Pluto/Node = Moon, Ebertin says - inhibition of feelings, inability to express emotions.
Pluto/Node= Venus - tragic love

posted January 04, 2014 03:14 PM              

Having said that the Pluto/Node-mp is of course not a leightweight. How could it?

It seems to have an obsessive/ compulsive note to it, a fateful encounter. The fate or purpose of it actually might be to alter, or transform you on a grand scale. Nodes are about connections, so this midpoint could indicate that the mp-person feels like a certain connection "must" or is "fated to be".

Just imagine Pluto conjunct the nodal axis in synastry (just that the feeling might be triggered only in the mp person). Passionate and intense about connecting with the other person, with Moon doing the triggering, it would be even more emotional and intense. Or rather the other person`s emotional expression triggering that feeling of "fateful connection" in the other person.

"Venus/Node = Pluto = fanatical attachment, inseparable union.
I have that one at 0.1"
I do think though that there is a difference in Pluto= Venus/node as compared to Venus= Pluto/Node for example.

"Pluto/Node = Moon, Ebertin says - inhibition of feelings, inability to express emotions.
Pluto/Node= Venus - tragic love"
Yeah, yeah, he is one of those dramatic astrologers, or has been. (but a very good one actually).
However of course his interpretations are meant for natal charts.

On the other hand I have Sun=Mars/Saturn at only a few minutes of arc.
And it has been triggered by my directed Moon. According to his interpretations I should actually be dead by now. Mars/Saturn he calls the death-midpoing.
Luckily I am not.
Of course something in me DID die, but that is the thing, death in astrological terms often relates more to a psychological transformation than the physical end (though I am sure in many death-cases you WILL Find the Mars/Saturn-mp triggered).

Mars7Saturn however can ALSO point to building something on a very stable ground, might be a bit boring and hard word, but can get very lasting, on good days.

posted January 04, 2014 06:38 PM            

I just checked it for certain years and the planets aspects make a lot of sense in regard to the events that unfolded. Not so the signs and the degrees, but the aspects were spot on.

posted January 04, 2014 07:30 PM              

For example, first crush I ever had, opening me up to the world of theatre, too, and just basically me feeling so alive (though in my own Neptunian world as well) and sparkly, the Age harmonic showed a tripl conjunction of Moon-Mars-Jupiter (right on natal Karma and trine natal Moon). Oh and AH IC was there as well.

The most exact aspect being Sun trine Neptune (hence the Neptunian vibe and sudden interest in spirituality).

Also the suddenness of my crush seemed to have been emphasized by AH Uranus conjunct natal Sun/Moon-mp and Antivertex (not sure why, but the links from Age harmonic to natal seem to be vital and valid, too, though technically, they probably shouldn`t).

AH Pluto was conjunct natal Moon exact, with Transiting Pluto squaring it - yeah, it was not all golden sunshine that year. lol

The year I met Mr Sag, and let`s face it, developed this huge crush, though I was not quite aware of it, other than that *something* happened

AH Sun conjunct AH Uranus - oh YES, he DEFINITELY was a surprise!

AH Venus conjunct the natal far Sun/Moon-mp, Eros and Vertex.

This last year however the attraction I felt to him became more difficult to rationalize away.

For that year my AH Vertex was conjunct natal Venus, and his AH Mars was EXACTLY on my natal Venus.
Andh is AH Sun exactly on my AH Moon.

Some Pluto action was there, too.

For this year, that has just started,

his AH Antivertex conjunct my AH Moon

his AH Pluto very precisely conjuncts my AH IC (close to natal IC as well).

his AH Sun and AH Mars opposing my AH Mercury exact

his AH Mercury conjunct my AH IC

his AH ASC EXACTLY conjunct my AH Juno, Saturn, Antivertex and natal Uranus - ALL on 1 Scorpio - I am curious to see what is going to happen when the nodal axis will set this one off.

his AH Saturn conjunct my natal ASC and Neptune

his AH Venus conjunct my natal Jupiter exactly (and opposing his own natal Mars-Jupiter)

his AH Sun and AH Mars on my Karma and trine my Moon

his AH nodal axis on my Saturn

his AH ASC on my Uranus as I said (maybe I am going to shock him somehow. lol)

my AH Pluto conjunct his natal DESC

my AH Mars conjunct his natal Pluto exact

my AH Venus opposite his natal BML exact

WEll, curious to see hwo it unfolds, if it does.

I just checked it for certain years and the planets aspects make a lot of sense in regard to the events that unfolded."
Yes, I find the same.

"Not so the signs and the degrees, but the aspects were spot on."
No since this is harmonics, we ned to forget about signs, it is all about highlighting the aspectual patterns.

" For example, the year I had a Neptune/Venus transit and I fell head over heels in love with a man who had a natal Venus/Neptune conjunction, the age harmonic for that age features an exact 0 degree Venus/Neptune/Node conjunction, all trined by Mars."
Perfect example of that. That is what I mean by patterns unfolding and showing in the progressions or transits or even Age harmonics again.

"I still think that Pluto activating a midpoint, especially a Venus midpoint, is much more powerful than a planet activating a Pluto midpoint. Pluto pushing on a Venus/Node seems quite deeper, than Venus (and Moon on even a lesser/weaker degree) on a Pluto/Node midpoint."

It depends if we are talking about transits or synastry.

In transits I agree with you certainly.
For synastry, if someone else`s Venus is activating your Pluto/Node-mp then what you feelf is Pluto/Node.
It feels different than Venus/Node. Not saying one is better than the other, just different. The compulsive quality is stronger with Pluto/Node, BUT that does not necessarily mean it wil be romantic!
however a Venus/Node triggering will highliht love, attraction and relating of course, but on its own will not be that passionate.

As for outer planets triggering midpoints in synastry, I am not sure how strong they really are or how personal. Maybe they are. I just don`t know. They often seem to be more trans-personal.

If you have Sun triggering one of your midpoints, it really is the other person that makes you experience the midpoint, a personal hook.

If it is Neptune for example, it is not so much a personal trait, more a Verb than a Noun.
Personal planets often are more like Nouns, . Transpersonal ones are more like verbs.

posted January 04, 2014 08:36 PM            

But from personal experience, someone's Sun on my Sun/Moon was very nice and fitting but not profound. Saturn on my Sun/Moon was very deep but harsh, difficult to get over and the pain's still lingering in the background. Pluto on my Sun/Moon was soul stirring, impossible to forget.
But then again, i had my Moon on someone's Venus/ Pluto and i really stirred their pot with my Moon.

posted January 05, 2014 06:00 AM            

Our progressed composite to composite togheter with my first husband on that time.

PR composite sun conj Composite ASC
PRC mars exactly on Composite Sun-Pluto Midpoint.
PRC moon exactly opp PRC mars on the day I moved from mr B to mr T.

PRC moon exactly conj my Draconic Nessus at the that day..It was real pain. I couldnt be happy because I knew I hurt mr B so much. I did not want hurt him because he was and is an very good and kindly man.

Strange but our CPR venus conj my N sun conj my N AC.
CPR mercury conj my N IC.
CPR pluto conj my N uranus.
CPR sun conj his N Sun conj N mercury

My second husband

PRC moon opp PRC pluto when we met each other .
PRC venus conj C Sun 1,5 degree appl
PRC venus trine C saturn
PRC venus sextile PRC jupiter

PRC pluto square my N moon exactly
PRC NN exactly on my midpoint uranus/Pluto.
Pluto rules my 5th house an uranus my 7th house.

Our PR Composite sun, mercury, venus, mars was in PR 11th house.

CPR mercury conj my N mars
CPR mars conj my N antiwertex
CPR uranus conj my N eros
CPR venus conj his N valentine conj mars conj my N jupiter
CPR moon conj his N Sun

posted January 05, 2014 08:31 AM              

Who am I to argue against Pluto= Sun/Moon?

Mr Sag`s Pluto is squaring my Sun/Moon-mp exactly, and he definitely left a huge impact. On the other hand his Pluto is ALSO exactly square my Vertex and EROS. So who`s to say what it really is that makes the impact?
(maybe all of if).

posted January 05, 2014 09:56 AM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
Just checked the age harmonics for the year when i was heartbroken and led on by a man.. In the beginning i had entered the age corresponding to that sad & gloomy year, and the harmonic chart was not relevant at all, I thought, oh well... this should have been shown somehow, should be. Disappointed.
Then i remembered that it all happened the same year but in April/May - a few months before my birthday in August, so I changed the age harmonic to reflect the age, and there it was, in all its glory - Venus at 23' Aries squared tightly by Saturn-Neptune at 23' Capricorn, and widely opposed by Moon at 16' Libra to form a T-square.

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Yes, something like that happened to me, too. PUtting in the wrong data and saying: Ha, the Age harmonics are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Just to find out the mistake was on me, and when I put up the right one, oh boy.

Venus= Saturn/Neptune is very very harsh and painful. To me it is THE midpoint of unrequited or loss of love, or jsut a very strong depressed feeling.

BTW the orbs of the age harmonics are limited to about 1 degree, maybe 2 when it comes to the angles or Moon.

The year when I was most depressed, and feeling like my world collapsed,

AH Moon was exactly conjunct AH DESC on 7 Aquarius, widely opposing AH sAturn (and Juno - they are always conjunct or trine, as they are only one minute of arc from a trine in natal) on 5 Leo.

AH Neptune was squaring AH MC and AH Mercury (AH Neptune on the anaretic degree of 29 Virgo)

And AH Chiron on 00 Aries (a new cycle of pain and healing beginning?) was opposite that AH NEptune and squaring AH MC and AH Mercury (AH Mars was just 2 degrees away from AH MC as well)

AH Nodes on 2 Libra, widely opposing AH Chiron and definitely squaring AH Mars on 3 Cancer

AH Sun was exactly conjunct natal Saturn on 16 Cancer
AH Pluto was exactly conjunct natal Persephone on 13 Virgo (yes definitely felt like a trip to the underworld).

posted January 05, 2014 11:05 AM            

AH uranus conj chiron opp AH mars..

Well... divorce aspects completely

posted January 05, 2014 12:51 PM            

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Two people natally having Venus/Pluto, it will be a theme in composite, too. Often they will have Venus/Pluto in synastry, too or in the midpoints. Obviously the orbs have to be REALLY narrow for this to matter (generational and all). And the more predominant, the more it is tied to angles - maybe it will only be a really strong pattern IF it is tied to angles in any way. Not sure about htat yet. -

As a matter of fact I think adding to the geometry, which is indicative of pattern on its own (and often includes midpoint patterns), it is these recurring patterns we have to deal with in the course of the relationship.

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I'm currently pretty intrigued by midpoints IN the (helio) composite. Like conjunctions/oppositions on its own there these are ofcourse also based on the same underlying geometry a la Cochrane (same-degree natal aspect and DW synastry aspect - though midpoint aspects now).
The more I look the more easily to spot them in a composite (also midpoints to midpoints) and with that you discover the same natal midpoint aspects of which you had no idea... to name one; it turned out we both in our natal have the Saturn/Mars midpoint semi-square Jupiter (1*) and both of these midpoints are exactly sextile each others Jupiter - And the result in the Composite is an exact Saturn/Mars midpoint opposite Jupiter.
In the Helio composite there's again this midpoint aspect (exact). But here we find the underlying geometry of a trine in natal & synastry (by about 1*).

posted January 06, 2014 08:59 AM              

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Originally posted by popcorn:
Hm but Ive checked out many year now and have divorce aspect including chiron, pluto, uranus or saturn in hard aspect almost every year. The year my daughter was born I also got an t-square including venus, mars to jupiter conj pluto. Jupiter conj pluto also was in square to uranus...
1988 seems to me was a very good year.

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Popcorn,
Mars-Jupiter is one of the constelations that can point to childbirth according to Ebertin.

As for Saturn-Chiron-Pluto-Uranus, those are very generational. Also, if it comes up in every age harmonic it probably means that they are in a very tight aspect natally (even a minor one).

For me that would be Juno-SAturn, trine at only 1 minute of arc, it is there in every age harmonic due to the tight natal aspect. I carry it with me everywhere and to everytime.
However, I think it only gets prominent if it will connect to an angle, Vertex, nodal axis or a luminary, maybe Venus. But especially the angles and Vertex really.

Generational aspects as you mentioned will play a greater role if involved in a dynamic aspectual pattern involving angles, luminaris or personal planets, too.

And remember the orb is 1 degree only!

posted January 06, 2014 09:01 AM              

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Originally posted by mir:

It's like you just NEED the composite to find these...

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posted January 06, 2014 09:12 AM              

Venus on 13 Aquarius trine Pluto on 13 Libra trine Jupiter on 11 Gemini.
With Neptune on 14 Sagittarius.

Apparently that means:

Neptune= Venus/Pluto
Jupiter= Venus/Pluto
Venus = Jupiter/Pluto

Venus is also at the peak of a Fist of God (square and two sesisquares) with Earth/Moon and Mars.

So

Venus= Earth/Mars

The Venus/Pluto-trine in composite results from his Pluto squaring my Venus and my Pluto quinkunx his Venus in helio synastry I suppose.

posted January 06, 2014 09:29 AM              

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This is our progressed helio comp for 1st march.

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It looks like it s progressing into a golden rectangle, and might come into effect next year probably when pr Venus will be in orb for the Neptune, too.
By then pr Juno will be conjunct Jupiter I suppose.
Oh and trine Pluto.
I am thinking Magi all at once.

EDIT:

I checkd the Transits for 1st march (helio of course), and TR Uranus on 12 Aries will be right on c-Venus.

Tr Venus on almost 10 Libra, might already be close enough to be in effect.

oh and Tr Pluto on 11 Capricorn.

So a T-square of Venus-Uranus-Pluto in the sky, overlaying our Venus-Pluto-opposition in the progressed composite.