posted January 19, 2014 02:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

Also I work with secondary houses, so if you can't find the partner symbolically in, say, your original 7th house. You could then check to see if your partner shows in your secondary 7th house (or 5th, or 8th... )

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Hi Lotis!
Interesting about secondary Houses.

I have...
-Pisces (Jupiter) in 5th
-Aries (Sun) in 7th
-Taurus (Venus) in 8th

Secondary...
-Nothing in 12th (but ruled by Virgo)
-Pluto in the 1st
-Saturn in the 2nd

I attract Pisces males often. We do really dig each other!

I like Taurus also. But it really depends on other factors as to whether I'll stick w/ them long-term or not.

Fellow Arians are fun as friends. However, I'm not interested in them romantically.

I respect Cap males, I do. If they have some water/fire in their chart, I could see myself dating them long-term. I rarely run into Caps though! lol

Scorpios & I usually get along! We are very fascinated by each other. If I'm fair, and they're secure - it works!

Lotis - you have any insight as to who you feel is the better match for me?! I'm Cancer Moon also.

posted January 21, 2014 03:59 AM            

I have moon in capricorn at the end of my 7th house suggesting I attract people with prominent moon/cancer placements. My husband is a cancer rising with moon (the ruler of his chart) in aries conjunct his MC. It's not only a prominently placed moon, but his moon is in the house naturally ruled by capricorn, the sign of my moon.

My sun is in gemini conjunct my ascendant in the 1st house (the natural house of aries, the sign of his moon). My husband is a virgo with his sun in the 3rd house (naturally ruled by gemini, the sign of my sun). My moon is in his 6th house naturally ruled by virgo, the sign of his sun.

His venus in Scorpio conjuncts my jupiter, the ruler of my descendant, and my vertex (exactly). My venus overlays his 10th house, or his secondary 7th.

So even though our planets make a lot of harsh aspects to each other, they are linked by the aspects in our individual charts and house placements.

Just to summarize:

I have sun in gemini
He has sun in the 3rd or natural house of gemini

I have a capricorn moon
His moon is conjunct his MC, naturally ruled by capricorn

His sun is in virgo
My moon falls into his 6th house, naturally ruled by virgo

His moon is in aries
My sun is in the the 1st house, naturally ruled by aries

I just wanted to share. Perhaps this will help aid in understanding.

posted January 27, 2014 02:05 AM            

I’ve finally gotten around to having a look at your chart with regard to your attraction pattern.

Okay, so you have Libra rising, and the interesting thing with Libra rising is that your secondary 5th/7th/8th houses are all in opposite signs.

~Aquarius on the 5th has Leo on the 11th as the secondary 5th

~Aries on the 7th has Libra on the 1st as the secondary 7th

~Taurus on the 8th has Scorpio on the 2nd as the secondary 8th

So in your case you have the Aquarius/Leo, Aries/Libra, and Taurus/Scorpio oppositions all as part of your attraction pattern. Plus the rulers of these signs and planets in these houses… Sun and Mars in the 11th, and Pluto in the 2nd. Your Vertex Axis also falls across the Libra/Aries opposition.

In terms of the type of person you’re likely to end up with this leaves the door wide open for a variety of different astro combinations to potentially be a good fit for you. Certain signs will appeal to you for sure, but it’s the actual specific degrees of the planets and points in other person’s chart that will matter the most.

To clarify what I mean by this I’ll go though each of the houses in your attraction pattern, and talk about balancing the signs in your pattern with the synastry that’s possible though it.

THE 5TH HOUSE…

But before going into the technical synastry stuff, I’ll do a quick overview of what the 5th house means for you in your chart.

The 5th house in our chart relates to how we express love, and give special attention to others. With Aquarius on the 5th house cusp, you are likely to show how important somebody is you by going out of your way to appreciate them for the unique individual that they are, by being a good dependable friend for them, by being understanding of their quirks, and by being genuinely curious about them and how they are as a person. With Saturn and Uranus in Capricorn ruling this house, you also approach a new love interest with cautious, yet open-minded attitude. You’re more likely to want to get to know someone carefully before pressing ahead, and consider cultivating an intellectual/friendship connection with another, just as important as all the romantic/excitement stuff that happens in the beginning of a relationship.

The 5th house also describes our ‘type’ in terms of what romantically excites us about a love interest. In your case that would be people whose charts have an Aquarius/Capricorn type vibe to it. This would be someone who is friendly, unique, has an interesting active mind, is a people observer, who perhaps has a bit of a tendency towards social commentary when they express themselves… Mixed with someone who is consistent, responsible, trustworthy, takes relationships seriously, will plan ahead, and will pursue goals with determination. This would be someone with a vision of how they want things to be, and who values integrity and loyalty, as well as respecting other fellow humans.

Interestingly, you have Aquarius on the 5th house cusp but not many planets in your chart that can strongly relate to the sign Aquarius. The best option here is perhaps an opposition to your Leo Sun, which might be best coming from a soft planet like the Moon or Venus or even a ‘fun’ planet like Jupiter. It all depends on how you feel about oppositions in synastry. You have actually already mentioned that you resonate more strongly with Uranus and Saturn in Capricorn ruling your 5th house cusp then the sign Aquarius itself on the cusp. This is likely because there are not many planets in your chart that can easily aspect positions in Aquarius.

The positions in Aquarius that are likely to turn your head are… 6 Aquarius trines/sextiles your Asc/Dsc Axis, 15 Aquarius trines/sextiles your Vertex Axis, and 21 Aquarius opposes your Sun. You might not suit a partner with many planets in this sign due to the rest of your chart but if you do happen to meet a love interest with one or two Aquarius planets, they are likely to be near the above degrees.

Another way to you may experience your Aquarius 5th house cusp through your partner is that they may have a prominent Uranus in their chart, or they may have a strong 11th house in their chart.

In terms of the Capricorn part of your 5th house, you may experience this part of your 5th house through a partner that has planets in Capricorn, a strong Saturn, or a strong 10th house in their chart. Any planets conjunct your Uranus or Saturn are likely to attract you. Planets in Capricorn aspecting your chart in general have the potential to attract you because, even if they don’t directly aspect your Uranus or Saturn, they mirror part of the style of your 5th house symbolism.

On an side note: I was looking at the synastry of Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban just the other day. She has a Taurus Dsc while all he has in Taurus is his Mc. However… He does have a stellium in the 2nd house. This is how he fulfills the need of her Taurus Dsc.

When I look at your chart I see that despite having a Leo Sun, most of your planets are actually in feminine signs. Even though you have masculine signs on the 5th and 7th houses, they are all ruled by planets in feminine signs. All of the three Earth signs feature strongly in your pattern. Aquarius on your 5th is ruled by Uranus and Saturn in Capricorn. Aries on your 7th is ruled by Mars in Virgo. Taurus is on the 8th house cusp, and is ruled by Venus in Virgo. Based on this I think it’s very likely that you’ll attract a partner that has a strong amount of Earth in their chart.

In synastry aspects to the relationship houses rulers are what generates chemistry with others. The 5th house is in charge of romantic sparks, flirting, adoration, and admiration. It has to do with the early infatuation stage of a relationship, as well as fun and excitement in general. When people aspect your Uranus and Saturn in synastry they are likely to stimulate feelings of this nature within you. Apart from conjunctions, which are always the most powerful aspects to have to a house-ruler, you might also enjoy trines from planets in Taurus and Virgo (because these signs are part of your attraction pattern), Sextiles from Scorpio planets (Scorpio is part of your attraction pattern though being on your secondary 8th house cusp, also ruled by Pluto in Scorpio), or even squares from planets in Aries (you have an Aries Dsc, which is in fact already square your Saturn).

Squares can be challenging, but also dramatic and exciting. Depending on your preference for either hard or soft aspects (peace and tranquility), you might either love or hate squares from Aries to your Capricorn 5th house rulers. If you were to happen upon a love interest with Aries planets that square your 5th house ruler, a square to Uranus might be more pleasant then a square to Saturn. I’m guessing by your chart though, that you like security, and wouldn’t want to deal with too many hard aspect in synastry. I’m just outlining the possibilities for you.

Oh, and all aspects to the 5th house rulers would be felt. It just seems to be more potent for attraction when they are aspected by planets in signs that are already in your attraction pattern. That way you get that house stimulated but also experience an energy style from the other person that fits with your taste.

You also mentioned in another post that you have an affinity for planets in Sagittarius that square your Virgo Venus. Interestingly, in your chart Uranus in Capricorn (which I consider to be the dominant ruler of Aquarius, while Saturn is the sub-ruler) is opposite Jupiter in Cancer by 1 degree. Aspects to houses rulers do have an important influence on our attraction pattern. Your likely enjoy people who have a bit of Sag/Jupiter energy to them because of Jupiter opposite the 5th house ruler. And perhaps because the aspect to Uranus from Jupiter is a hard one, it doesn’t feel that bad to you to receive a hard aspect from planets in Sagittarius to your Virgo Venus.

Previously I mentioned that your secondary 5th house is the 11th house. You have Leo on the 11th house ruled by the Sun also in Leo, plus Mars in Virgo in 11th house. This means that apart from the Aqua/Cap traits I’ve mentioned earlier, you are also attracted to a guy that is charismatic, has a radiant presence about him, has confidence, who is able to express himself to you in a wholehearted way. Mars in the 11th means you also appreciate when a guy can be forthright and assertive (while maintaining his charm, but I’ll get to why that is later).

The 11th house in our chart symbolizes how we operate in groups, as part of an audience, and also how we like to receive attention from others. Because your 11th house is also your secondary 5th house (the 5th house is about expressing, giving, and performing rather then receiving attention), you like situations where you can both give and receive affection and attention in a Leo-ish type manner. The key phase for Leo is ‘I display’. I think this has to do with why you like guys who will be ‘public’ about their feelings for you. You want somebody who will put it all out there, openly with his whole heart, where you have no doubt whatsoever how he feels about you, and that he is committed. Leo on the 11th house of love received, and as the secondary 5th house of ‘love given’, makes you long for open expressions of affection. And a feeling of positvity and dedication in a relationship. Leo energy likes generosity, heartfelt honestly, grand declarations of love, and things to even be crazy-over-the-top sometimes when it comes to giving and receiving affection.

Synastry wise, a person with any planets in Leo, especially if conjunct your Sun, knows how to make you feel special and loved, and they will also inspire your affection in turn.

You have both the male significators the Sun and Mars in the 11th house, one in Leo and the other in Virgo. This shows that overall you like a guy that has a mixture of Fire and Earth qualities, with a bit of an intellectual, friendly bent to him.

posted January 27, 2014 06:11 PM            

Even this was just so spot-on, wow you pick up on these things so well, I'm still a little in shock just how accurate it is. Really. Of course I knew it was going to be good, but I didn't expect it to be so detailed. I'm in for something with that 7th and 8th house haha.

This one nailed it - and it's something I've actually thought of as well:

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Interestingly, you have Aquarius on the 5th house cusp but not many planets in your chart that can strongly relate to the sign Aquarius. The best option here is perhaps an opposition to your Leo Sun, which might be best coming from a soft planet like the Moon or Venus or even a ‘fun’ planet like Jupiter. It all depends on how you feel about oppositions in synastry. You have actually already mentioned that you resonate more strongly with Uranus and Saturn in Capricorn ruling your 5th house cusp then the sign Aquarius itself on the cusp. This is likely because there are not many planets in your chart that can easily aspect positions in Aquarius.

The positions in Aquarius that are likely to turn your head are… 6 Aquarius trines/sextiles your Asc/Dsc Axis, 15 Aquarius trines/sextiles your Vertex Axis, and 21 Aquarius opposes your Sun. You might not suit a partner with many planets in this sign due to the rest of your chart but if you do happen to meet a love interest with one or two Aquarius planets, they are likely to be near the above degrees.

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The bolded part especially. It usually ends up being me taking the initiative and the heavy water in my chart just annoys them too much. It's been hard to find someone with Aquarius placements who is willing to compromise, and this ultimately turns me off, especially since they often made equality, open-mindedness and "giving it a chance" such a big deal. Like I'm often at loss about how to show that when sad, I need to go through my emotions before I can take a step back from them, something they like to do. Then the constant insisting on being rational feels like downplaying, them being indifferent, etc.

Of course that has everything to do with the lack of good synastry between us, like you said.

I'm actually more positive about "harder" planets in this sign, like Saturn. Several important people had this around the degree of my Ascendant or North Node. To me, it feels as if Saturn smooths out the erratic, unpredictable sides. My problems with Aquarius especially show in the Moon and Venus here, double that when they aspect my Vertex. I guess that shows a lot about me, too, as they do show some of their "type", but I find them too "cool". I've given it a proper try - how couldn't I not with this sign on my 5th - but not only me, but people around me often wonder if we're even in a relationship! The constant need for distance is just not for me.
So I would say no to an opposition to my Sun, even if they would sit on my NN. For the latter, I prefer getting that from trines or sextiles, which can also give my Sun an easy aspect. It's weakly-aspected as it is, then most of the aspects are negative. I crave getting the opportunity to just be myself, have fun, be crazy and not feel held back.

So yeah, I agree with you that a strong 11th house would show my 5th house traits without the harsh aspects.

Squares to/from my Saturn don't bother me. Uranus depends on what it aspects. I tend to have the same problem with Uranus afflictions to my Moon or Venus as I have with too much Aquarius. I love the easy aspects, though! Planets from Aries are good. I often fall for people who have planets on my DSC or Vertex, despite the number of squares they'll make to my Cap and Cancer planets.

Good thought about Jupiter opposing my Uranus. I guess it's all so familiar to me I barely notice it. And yes, the Leo energy. Wow, the way you summed that up is like you 're quoting stuff I've said or something. Sadly, this often ends up being just admiring and mostly unrequited. Though I have dated three Leo Moons, so I guess at least the Moons like me haha.

Recently I've actually been asking myself why I can't attract any more watery types. They would suit me so much better. Actually, that may be the main problem. Air types are extremely attractive to me (air void), but I'm starting to have serious doubts if they'd be good for me in the long run.
I leave relationships with them, which could be any kind of relationship, feeling unappreciated, sometimes even used. Obviously they made a huge impact, why else would I be writing so much about them, but it's a shame it's rarely a good one.

But there's probably enough in my chart to show constantly falling for the wrong kinds of people, or things often being unrequited.

I'm also saying this because you said Libra is in this pattern as well, and I know for myself Gemini especially tends to be my thing. They're usually around the degree of my Venus, Juno and the Nodes or else my Sun and Ceres.

Hope this gives you more ideas of what to look for in my chart.

posted January 29, 2014 03:10 AM            

Okay, I was thinking about how you mentioned in your feedback post that you find it difficult to deal with Aquarian planets in others despite the sign being on your 5th house because you find them too ‘cool’. Yeah, it makes sense what you said about actually liking ‘hard’ planets, like Saturn, better then softer ones in this sign. Aquarius is a very rational sign, and would actually Saturn quite well, and it wouldn’t cool the person’s emotions down too much for you in other areas.

Another placement in Aquarius that would suit you might be an Aquarius Asc. That way the person would have their Asc in your 5th house, and their Dsc in your 11th conjunct your Sun (or at least in the same sign as your Sun). Aqua risings usually have Virgo on the 8th house cusp, and you your Virgo planets would fall into the late part of their 7th house, or in their 8th house. Aqua risings usually have Gemini on the 5th house cusp, but your Jupiter in Cancer would fall into their 5th house, and if they had Mercury in Leo, Virgo, Libra, or Capricorn, then their 5th house ruler would match the symbolism of your natal chart. Aquarius risings do leave a lot of possibilities open for attraction to your personality type, as well as matching the energy of your 5th house. I know that we can’t control who we meet in this regard. It’s just a possibility to consider.

And now I’ll move onto the rest of your reading.

THE 7TH HOUSE…

The 7th house in our natal chart relates to how we behave when we seek to reach out to others, charm them, and cooperate. The 7th house is about our attitudes towards our most significant one on one relationships in life, and how we behave towards someone when we have officially decided that our partner (in marriage, in business, in close friendship), and should be recognized as such by the rest of the world.

You have a Libra Asc, and in general you would express yourself in an easygoing diplomatic manner. You’d be someone who is naturally inclined to what to take a rational approach to things, and would try to smooth things over in the event of a disagreement. Libra is a peace maker. However, having Aries on the 7th house cusp means that your are also inclined to be more direct, and refreshingly honest, within the confines of a personal relationship. You like one on one relationships where you feel safe to express the fullness of who you are, your honest thoughts, and your enthusiasms, without restraints. And you look for partners that you can let loose with in this way, knowing that they understand how you are you are and accepts this. It’s not that you want to be unreasonable in any way, so much as you want to feel ‘free’ to express your individuality towards your partner.

Your Aries Dsc is ruled by Mars in Virgo in the 11th house. Mars in Virgo inclines you to desire to be of use, or helpful in some way to partner. You also have a discerning eye when it come to choosing a partner. You want someone that feels exactly right in specific ways, and you may have particular things you insist upon when picking a partner. With Mars in the 11th house, as with the Aqua 5th house cusp, will again emphasize a need to have a friendship/mental connection/comradiery type connection with your partner as well as ‘sparks’.

In terms of what we are attracted to, the symbolism of the 7th house describes the type of person that balances us and makes us feel ‘complete’. This type of person tends to be a ‘soft spot’ for us in that they have ability to charm us and inspire our affection. The 7th house is the house of fondness and sweet liking. We often just want to be around this energy in others. With Aries on the 7th house cusp you are looking for someone to balance out your Libra tendencies with a more assertive, spontaneous, enthusiastic, refreshingly candid manner. And you like when people are able to pull you into being more that way yourself. You like when a partner has a strong sense of identity, and knows who they are, and what they’re all about. With Mars in Virgo ruling the 7th house, you’re also attracted to someone who is realistic about practicalities, understands the importance of taking care of daily necessities. Your really appreciate when a partner is helpful towards you, and really take your needs into consideration. A guy who is organized would suit you. He would ‘have his crap together’ so to speak. This is somebody who can assess the feasibility of a situation in a pragmatic way, and who is able to plan the right way to respond to the issues that come up in daily life. The fact that Mars in your chart is trine Saturn adds to the need for this type of practical mate.

Your are likely to be attracted in a 7th house way to those that have Aries and Virgo, the 1st house and the 6th house, and the planets Mars and Mercury, prominent in their natal charts. This people feel like natural matches for you.

Your Vertex-Axis falls across your 1st/7th houses in Aries and Libra. This adds another layer to your 7th house attraction pattern. The Vertex Axis relates to important turning points, encounters, revelations, and awakenings, that occur in our lives, and seem to have fated, synchronistic quality to them. In your chart, your Vertex Axis sits at 15 degrees of Aries/Libra exactly square your Capricorn Moon and your Vertex is conjunct the asteroid Palllas.

Vertex type experiences for you tend to have a primal, deeply emotionally stirring, sensitive quality to them due to the square from the Moon. They would challenge you out of your calm emotional comfort zone, into more actively participating in relationship dynamics (Vertex across the 1st/7th houses). This can feel like a stretch for you, and you may have to work to overcome feelings of restraint and discomfort when it comes to expressing your feelings, and needs to give and receive comfort and nurturance. But it can also be very rewarding if you are able to meet the challenge. Your Vertex-like experiences will often be about how you are able to adapt to others in your life emotionally, and how you deal with individuality Vs compromise. Mastering these abilities would feel profoundly fulfilling for you. With Pallas conjunct your Vertex, your ability to utilize mental creativity in these areas will be of tremendous value. Often the right approach will just pop into your head seemingly out of the blue.

Synastry-wise, you’ve already mentioned that you are drawn to people with Aries planets on your Dsc and Vertex in Aries despite the squares they make with your chart. If you’d like a more peaceful option, Aries planets sitting at around 21 degrees trine your Leo Sun could feel quite nice for you. With the square there is probably the sense that your dealing with an energy that is too volatile for you, even if it is exciting to experience. With the trine option, you’d be able to smoothly and freely express your unaspected Leo Sun to the Aries planet person.

Mars is the ruler of your 7th house cusp, and so people who aspect your Mars will also inspire your affection. Conjunctions are the most potent aspect or attraction, but all aspects to your Mars will increase attraction. Especially if your partner’s planets are aspecting from a sign that is part of your attraction pattern. Aries, Aquarius, and Leo only quincunx/semisextile Virgo, and quincunxes are kind of awkward, while semi-sextiles seem to exist in a different universe. Trines form Taurus and Capricorn aught to feel pretty good, as well as sextiles from Scorpio (your secondary 8th). Although, Aries, Aquarius, and Leo do aspect your Dsc, which is at the same degree as your Mars ( 6 Virgo Mars/6 Aries Dsc). You have a natal Mars quincunx Dsc aspect. Synastry-wise aspects to your 7th house ruler and your Dsc are kind of a mixed bag. You wind up with a mixture of positive and challenging influences.

At this point I’d like to go into what it means when the 7th house ruler aspects the Dsc nataly. The process of building relationships for you involves a constant series of adjustments, whereby two people with different habits and outlooks are learning how to navigate around each other. Sometimes this process involves a bit of awkwardness, and discomfort, where find yourself out of your comfort zone, and have to adapt to ‘alien’ methods. You may find that especially after just establishing a new relationship, you are confronted with a variety of situations with your new partner where you’re not quite sure how to act, or you wonder if your partner even specks the same language! The theme of quincunxes is confusion, adjustment, and investigation, that eventually leads to discovery and depth of understanding. This aspect is not that much of a problem and is totally doable. So I wouldn’t worry about it too much. I just wanted to point the issue out for you. I think it ties in with your Vertex Axis theme as I’ve mentioned it above.

For Libra risings, the 1sr house is also the secondary 7th house. Which brings about an interesting situation. Libra energy likes balance, give and take, and cooperation. You are attracted to someone who can contrast you with an Aries style energy… Courage, and directness. But there is also a part of you that likes charm, tact, diplomacy, and a logical/fair-minded approach from a partner. You need someone who can accurately judge when it’s appropriate to put forth a challenge, and when try to smooth things over. You truly do appreciate both types of approach in others, and when it come attraction can go either way. Towards an Aries type or a Libra type. Maybe even towards someone who has an Aries/Libra opposition in their chart. It’s quite fitting really, Libra is the sign of the scales- evaluation and choice… So the fact that Libra risings have dual attraction to their 1st and 7th houses, and must make the best choice for them based on who they meet, what experiences they have, and what type of synastry works best for them, is a nice symbolic fit.

Added to this you have the asteroid Eros also in Libra in the 1st house. Eros is an asteroid associated with romantic passion, and it relates to specific details about others that press our buttons. I’ve noticed that the asteroids Eros and psyche seem to function like a mini Venus & Mars pair. If Venus and Mars refer to the entire, complete ideals of young men and women in our charts (Mars represents the dashing suitor, while Venus represents the beautiful maiden), Eros and psyche refer to the accessories they’d wear (certain details of style about the opposite sex that we like)… Like Eros represents colorful tie or shirt that Mars is wearing, while Psyche represents the tasteful scarf that Venus would wear.

Psyche is more about having a private, intimate, emotional connection with another. Psyche seems very 8th house-ish, while Eros is more 5th house-ish and is more about romantic excitement.

Eros in Libra in the 1st house, emphasizes theme of a guy with a strong sense of identity (1st house), who is also quite charming and fair-mined (Libra), being appealing for you.

On a side note, your Psyche is in Aquarius in the 4th house. You may identify with being a unique, interesting, somewhat quirky women, with an electric presence. Who also values security, and needs her own private haven to retreat to from time to time.

Funnily enough, both men and women seem to be attracted to the characteristics both Eros and Psyche, according to how they are placed in the natal chart. Just as both men and women are attracted to the qualities of their natal Venus, Eros and Psyche appear to work the same way. Each asteroid just has a different vibe/focus.

Back to your secondary 7th house. Synastry wise this opens up the door for planets in Libra to potentially be attractive to you. Planets in Libra conjunct your Asc, conjunct your Antivertex, or sextile your Leo Sun at around 21 degrees, all have attraction possibilities for you. So do a strong Venus in the natal chart, or a strong 7th house. Even if it hasn’t happened yet, it could one day.

The ruler of you secondary 7th house is Venus in Virgo in the 12th house. Both Venus and Mars are in Virgo and each rules the 7th house or the secondary 7th house. This puts extra emphasis on what I’ve previously mentioned about being attracted to those that have Virgo-like characteristics. You might be attracted to someone who is sharp, organized, and discerning, but helpful. You might like when that person has frank self-honesty, see problems with clarity, and concerns themselves with your wellbeing (especially on a practical level). Venus in your chart is conjunct Juno, and this makes commitment very important for you. You like to know exactly where you stand, and to know what the boundaries of a relationship are.

Juno is like a mini 7th house, in that this asteroid is associated with what we require from others in order to want to commit to them. Juno being in Virgo and conjunct Venus, puts emphasis on the Libra/Virgo/Taurus characteristics that you might be attracted to in others, which already show on your secondary Dsc and 8th house.

Venus in your chart is in the 12th house. While your Venus sign Virgo concerns itself with the realities of life, and picking someone who suits you in this capacity, the fact that Venus is in the 12th house adds a whole other dimension to the picture. You mentioned in one of your posts that you’d like someone sentimental, and I think that your Venus/secondary 7th house ruler in the 12th house is where this comes form. The 12th house, like Pisces, is full of gushiness and yearning, and longs to kind of go into a private dream world with another. This part of your chart would attract you to someone who really cares for you with a tender sensitivity, and perhaps, and sees you in rather idealistic/compassionate light. Your want the best of both worlds when it comes to practicality vs. sentiment in a relationship. Juno being in the 12th house in Virgo, as well, puts emphasis on this.

You have also mentioned that you are often attracted to people with either Sagittarius or Gemini planets that square your Venus. All aspects to the secondary 7th house ruler potentially increase attraction in synastry. Especially so since this is Venus we are dealing with. Interestingly, planets that square your Venus also trine or sextile your Eros in Libra. You have Venus/Juno at 25 Virgo while Eros is at 26 Libra. So when planets in Gemini or Sagittarius square your Venus they are also setting off your Eros. This might be a good part of the reason why planets at these degrees can attract you. As symbolically Gemini and Sagittarius relate to your 5th house… Jupiter opposite 5th house ruler/ 5th house rulers in the 3rd house.

You say you’d like to find a more watery type partner, even though you’re are highly attracted to air, because you feel water suites your nature better. Sign-wise I can think of two options for you that also match your attraction pattern symbolism. Venus, the secondary 7th house ruler, in the 12th house hints at an attraction to Pisces/Neptunian/12th house types. While Scorpio ruled by Pluto in Scorpio on the secondary 8th hints and an attraction to Scorpio/Plutonic/8th house types. Pisces planets will oppose your Virgo planets at certain degrees, but Scorpio harmonizes well with both Capricorn and Virgo (which you have a lot of). You probably wouldn’t enjoy a Scorpio planet square your Sun. So tight aspects with the Moon, Mercury, Mars, Saturn, Uranus, Jupiter, and the far side of Venus, from Scorpio planets would best. For Pisces planets, again it depends on how you feel about oppositions. An oppostion to Mercury while sextiling the Moon might not be so bad. Failing this, a powerful Neptune or Pluto might do the trick for you as well. Or even a powerful 12th or 8th house.

posted January 29, 2014 07:38 AM            

I don't want to rush through all of that, after you took so much effort to lay this all out for me. But I'll be back!

posted January 30, 2014 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by: Lotus White
Okay, I was thinking about how you mentioned in your feedback post that you find it difficult to deal with Aquarian planets in others despite the sign being on your 5th house because you find them too ‘cool’. Yeah, it makes sense what you said about actually liking ‘hard’ planets, like Saturn, better then softer ones in this sign. Aquarius is a very rational sign, and would actually Saturn quite well, and it wouldn’t cool the person’s emotions down too much for you in other areas.

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Yes, that was exactly what I was getting at, thanks for putting it into the right words. I find their Saturn here quite stabilizing but still with that quirky edge. While with the feminine planets here, I quickly get annoyed and even frustrated at just how much they hold back. I don't even realize they do, because they don't show it to me. It's too much of a mystery and guessing, filling things in for them, etc. for me. Here I very much prefer the secondary house, Leo, who would not make me doubt myself that much - like you said.

I would certainly give Aquarius Rising a shot, though, you're right, the way my planets will fall into their house matches up well. At least on paper. Of course it's impossible to know without birth time, so I'll pretty much have to happen to run into the right person here. Mercury in Aquarius works as well, I like the passion for their issues here and both the sign and planet can be rather "neutral" (if you get what I mean?). The duad for my Mercury is in this sign, so I do sense some resemblance here.

And yes, my Jupiter would likely fall into their 5th, unless their houses are very early. Even if they didn't have Sagittarius in their pattern, a touch of lucky Jupiter never hurts, right?

Wow, the part about my Ascendant is again spot-on. It's a bit embarrassing, but I would secretly want someone to bring the more feisty side out of me. I know it's in me, so it'd be much better if I did it myself. Just... wishful thinking, I guess. One-on-one would be a great start for me to work on being more assertive. A safe environment with someone I trust. I definitely seek out Aries/Martian types and the more Libran I act, the more of these types I tend to attract.

I agree the 3rd house, Gemini, Aquarius and 11th house all point at building things up through being friends or doing some group work together. Or a study buddy I turn out to have a lot in common with. I generally don't fall for someone right away, it happens over time (the Saturn conjunction?).

Someone who can get things together is also important to me, yes. I'm not exactly organized, but I try and I work hard, so I appreciate these traits in someone else as well. Someone organized would be nice. Like mentioned, sometimes I get so stressed it's too much (why, exactly do I have so much earth in my chart?), and I do want someone who won't give up on me right away. Like they can understand and talk me through it. Normally I can snap myself out of it well enough, but not always and that's where I need to be able to rely on them to do it for me. (I really don't know whether that's too much to ask or not. I just keep hope there's somebody who will do this for me.) Virgos are really good at this. Pretty sure this is also where my attraction to air-heavy men comes from.

A few men did have Mars conjunct the Ascendant, in the 1st house or Mercury here. They looked the part.

posted February 02, 2014 04:02 AM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:
Sure, that's okay. I don't want to rush you.

But I am really glad you're doing this for me as I could really use some advice on my relationships/attracting.

A couple of posts ago, I said I didn't know if I had a type yet. I think I do now, at least some of it.

For example, the highlight of a relationship for me would be getting to meet each other's family. First time staying over at each other's house. That kind of stuff. Very sentimental. When I fall for someone, I get very, very attached. Someone I can open up to emotionally completely and who makes me feel at ease doing so. Accepts me for who I am, including my intense emotions and sensitivity - also to them. Someone who is public about how they feel about me. Something long-term - my life is hectic and unpredictable enough as it is, I need stability.

Just another thought for what to look for. Can you see that in my chart? And especially what in my chart makes me not attract what I'm looking for?

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I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth as I also like reading other people's charts.

You have Moon-Saturn conjunction which suggests an "old soul".

Moon-Saturn relationships are tricky; on one hand the individual craves stability, intimacy and commitment.

On the other hand, due probably to childhood experiences involving the parents/upbringing/home, they fear being emotionally vulnerable and can be attracted to people who are not emotionally available.

This is an underlying pattern as it guarantees that the individual does not get emotionally dependent.

I found it curious though when you stated how easily you get attached and how intense your emotions are.

But then I realized that Venus widely squares Jupiter; suggesting a strong idealism in how one views love.

When Jupiter aspects Venus, there is a tendency to want the "consummate" love story and for it to play out with all the emotional happiness it entails in one's life.

Jupiter squares Venus also adds vulnerability, excitement and a tendency that, when meeting someone desirable, one is already starting to paint a picture(in their mind) about the relationship and how happy they'll be.

So your life is in a constant state of flux and unpredictable? Could this be Moon-Saturn playing itself out in a less predictable fashion? Perhaps underlining the inability for one to intuitively connect and associate holistically(Saturn) with the environment (Moon)?

Remember the themes of Moon-Saturn is that one fears intimacy but craves it. A constant push/pull where one gets close to being consummated emotionally, but then feelings of possible rejection and "it won't last" creep in and have the person detaching.

Once you understand the working of your Saturn with the idealism of Jupiter, it'll be much easier to discern partners.

posted February 02, 2014 05:05 PM            

Yes, I thought you'd want some feedback after writing out such a detailed reading. Here's the rest of it on my 7th house.

The Vertex here feels very much like it puts more emphasis on my 7th and 1st house. I've always been confused why I didn't have any 7th house planets (it turns out, Venus is parallel the Descendant), but this explains a lot, especially the square from my Moon.

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Vertex type experiences for you tend to have a primal, deeply emotionally stirring, sensitive quality to them due to the square from the Moon. They would challenge you out of your calm emotional comfort zone, into more actively participating in relationship dynamics (Vertex across the 1st/7th houses). This can feel like a stretch for you, and you may have to work to overcome feelings of restraint and discomfort when it comes to expressing your feelings, and needs to give and receive comfort and nurturance.

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This is definitely true for me. My comfort zone is pretty much to keep things polite but not get too close unless I know them well. I feel they wouldn't want me around, so I figure I'll give them what they want and keep out of their way. But I've surprised myself and others how quickly I can snap out of that state of mind when someone needs help and to be taken care of. You're right that it is a stretch - like the insecurity about whether they would want me to take care of them. The Aries energy probably makes it easy for me to snap out of that and to just do it. The other way around, yes, it's the same. Pretty much the eternal debate of "can I tell them?", if I wouldn't make things awkward or overwhelm them. I'm afraid the fear of an unsympathetic reaction wins it here. :|

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With Pallas conjunct your Vertex, your ability to utilize mental creativity in these areas will be of tremendous value. Often the right approach will just pop into your head seemingly out of the blue.

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Wow, that's it. Pallas was always a bit confusing for me, but now I think I get it. It does show during brainstorming with others (7th house).

Never had that trine to my Sun yet (once with a female friend, though), but I think I'll like it. Whether the squares are too much for me or not, well, the jury's still out on that one. It'd depend on how they deal with my squares as well. Something on my DSC will get a blow from four of my planets and Chiron, and the ones on my Vertex from my Moon-Chiron opposition. That's some really heavy energy to carry for them. So, yes, maybe not the best idea for something long-term, though it is exciting.

Even a trine would do that? I should go back and see if there were any hits. Actually, I do remember feeling very attracted to and being quite forward with it to someone whose Venus in Capricorn trined it tightly. It gave me more courage to be bold. Venus in Taurus has done this for me, too, with a female friend I just walked up to. Scorpio sextiles are very good as well, though I didn't think they'd be very strong as sextiles.

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At this point I’d like to go into what it means when the 7th house ruler aspects the Dsc nataly. The process of building relationships for you involves a constant series of adjustments, whereby two people with different habits and outlooks are learning how to navigate around each other. Sometimes this process involves a bit of awkwardness, and discomfort, where find yourself out of your comfort zone, and have to adapt to ‘alien’ methods. You may find that especially after just establishing a new relationship, you are confronted with a variety of situations with your new partner where you’re not quite sure how to act, or you wonder if your partner even specks the same language! The theme of quincunxes is confusion, adjustment, and investigation, that eventually leads to discovery and depth of understanding. This aspect is not that much of a problem and is totally doable. So I wouldn’t worry about it too much. I just wanted to point the issue out for you. I think it ties in with your Vertex Axis theme as I’ve mentioned it above.

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I wanted to quote this one again, because it really stood out to me. Wow, yes, I have often felt as if someone had taken off a mask after we'd been together for a while. Like they were a completely different person - it was quite scary, actually, wondering what I'd gotten myself into. It does often feel like I have to get around quite a few obstacles to get where I want to be. Especially with the pace of doing things - it's often me or the other who wants to do things much more quickly than the other. If that's still a Mars quincunx thing?

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It’s quite fitting really, Libra is the sign of the scales- evaluation and choice… So the fact that Libra risings have dual attraction to their 1st and 7th houses, and must make the best choice for them based on who they meet, what experiences they have, and what type of synastry works best for them, is a nice symbolic fit.

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This is something I've noticed as well. Finding a happy medium is a major part of my life. People with this opposition impress me a lot, they act like the way I'd like to be.

Eros in Libra/1st house highlights that again, doesn't it? After ASC-DSC, the Vertex axis and now this one.

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You have also mentioned that you are often attracted to people with either Sagittarius or Gemini planets that square your Venus. All aspects to the secondary 7th house ruler potentially increase attraction in synastry. Especially so since this is Venus we are dealing with. Interestingly, planets that square your Venus also trine or sextile your Eros in Libra. You have Venus/Juno at 25 Virgo while Eros is at 26 Libra. So when planets in Gemini or Sagittarius square your Venus they are also setting off your Eros. This might be a good part of the reason why planets at these degrees can attract you. As symbolically Gemini and Sagittarius relate to your 5th house… Jupiter opposite 5th house ruler/ 5th house rulers in the 3rd house.

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At this point, I think I should be more concerned with what meshes well with my chart, rather than what's the most attractive to me. My chart's not an easy one.

As for Psyche, mostly the 4th house part. I pick up a lot of people's vibes, which is so tiring. A place and time to relax is definitely important to me. Quirky, yes, that as well. Can't remember any synastry with Psyche, though. Maybe this would be the best place for Aquarius planets to fall into my chart. They'd trine my Ascendant and this one.

The 12th house/Pisces link is definitely there. I agree they'd help me get more in tune with my softer side. That or strong planets in Scorpio. (blending two paragraphs together here) Oh, that's true, Scorpio planets can aspect a lot in my chart. I'm comfortable with them and feel like I can confide in them. With Juno and Venus in the 12th, I find I'm very attracted to the Virgo-Pisces axis as well, I guess I have this in my own chart. I like planets in my 12th. Needing some clarity, yes, especially in where we stand. That'd be really important with all of that Neptune and 12th house - I have serious boundary issues, so I do need some help here. Maybe my Moon-Neptune conjunction would blend well with any planets in Pisces?

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Your want the best of both worlds when it comes to practicality vs. sentiment in a relationship. Juno being in the 12th house in Virgo, as well, puts emphasis on this.

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As for Juno, I'm starting to think fulfilling Juno + my 8th house/secondary 7th would be most important.

Interesting thing you mention planets on the far side of Venus. I think I've told you I like planets in late Taurus because they'd aspect the ruler? And they fall into my 8th, giving it that touch of Pluto.

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Otherwise, nice aspects to your Sun from planets in Aries or Libra (7th house pattern, and secondary 7th house pattern), Gemini or Sagittarius (5th house pattern), or Leo (secondary 5th house pattern), might be awesome for you in synastry. They'd make you feel alive and vital, the person would make you feel good about yourself, and you'd likely be proud to be with them.

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Do the aspects to my 7th ruler still count? And if so, just the ones that back up the rest of my pattern?

posted February 02, 2014 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth as I also like reading other people's charts.

You have Moon-Saturn conjunction which suggests an "old soul".

Moon-Saturn relationships are tricky; on one hand the individual craves stability, intimacy and commitment.

On the other hand, due probably to childhood experiences involving the parents/upbringing/home, they fear being emotionally vulnerable and can be attracted to people who are not emotionally available.

This is an underlying pattern as it guarantees that the individual does not get emotionally dependent.

I found it curious though when you stated how easily you get attached and how intense your emotions are.

But then I realized that Venus widely squares Jupiter; suggesting a strong idealism in how one views love.

When Jupiter aspects Venus, there is a tendency to want the "consummate" love story and for it to play out with all the emotional happiness it entails in one's life.

Jupiter squares Venus also adds vulnerability, excitement and a tendency that, when meeting someone desirable, one is already starting to paint a picture(in their mind) about the relationship and how happy they'll be.

So your life is in a constant state of flux and unpredictable? Could this be Moon-Saturn playing itself out in a less predictable fashion? Perhaps underlining the inability for one to intuitively connect and associate holistically(Saturn) with the environment (Moon)?

Remember the themes of Moon-Saturn is that one fears intimacy but craves it. A constant push/pull where one gets close to being consummated emotionally, but then feelings of possible rejection and "it won't last" creep in and have the person detaching.

Once you understand the working of your Saturn with the idealism of Jupiter, it'll be much easier to discern partners.

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Hi. That's totally fine, in fact, I'm happy getting even more feedback. Thank you for that.

I think you got it right about that Moon-Saturn conjunction. Especially about being afraid it won't last... wow, I got goosebumps, it's so accurate. That Saturn-Jupiter opposition does kick in. I wouldn't have thought it was so strong. But yes, I'll get enthusiastic but then there's this voice in the back of my head [Saturn], saying how I shouldn't get too excited, not get my hopes up so I won't be disappointed, etc.

Sadly, I agree, I think I am attracted to unavailable types, but it's been hard kicking the habit. At first, Saturn is telling me to hold things off, take it slow, etc. But gradually I get to know this guy better and realize just how interested I am in him and suddenly I go the other extreme. Or they'll come back for me at the very last moment, popping back in when I had just given up on them and decided to move on. So frustrating. Maybe it scares them off, finding out I'm not as laidback and cool as I looked. That Venus-Jupiter square is certainly giving me some problems, so thanks for pointing that out.

Is this part of the Saturn-Jupiter opposition as well?

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Lotis, I really like to read your posts. You're such a helpful person. Thank you for sharing your konwledge with us.

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posted February 06, 2014 01:27 AM            

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I don't really understand what you mean with connecting holistically to the environment, though. Could you explain that to me?

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I was expanding on the Moon-Saturn conjunction play.

Moon-conjunct Saturn could be the "flux" that you feel that your life is unstable; in other words, you could be feeling no sense of attachment to any particular place and subsequently feel alone.

My Dad has Saturn-Moon conjunct. When we were growing up, we found it very difficult to "access" him emotionally and physically, because he was never there.

My Dad would always wake in the morning and come back late at night.

Subconsciously, I believe that he feared getting close to anyone and this played itself out throughout his life by having his professional life be in constant "flux" and subject to all sorts of changes.

No sooner had he settled in, he'd be restless and want to go "somewhere". And whenever he was "somewhere" with his friends, he failed to connect with them as well and would constantly change.

When I say "connect" to your environment, I mean; do you get involved in your interpersonal relationship? Do you visit your neighbors? Take active interest in the home life and domestic affairs? Take interest in the lives of those related to you and be an active participant in family relations/events?

My father, no matter the company, has always seemed to me that he is "alone". There is a consistent distance that he keeps from others and no-one can penetrate that boundary.

posted February 16, 2014 08:22 AM            

Well, no, it's the other way around for me. They talk endlessly about their personal life, home, feelings, open up to me within 3 seconds it seems (maybe my 12th house), but when I let them in about my home life and/or insecurities... poof. If they don't bolt right away, I can tell and feel the disappointment oozing from their face and voice. As if I'm not allowed to be vulnerable.
Happens every time. The second I open up, it's over.
It's always me who is attached while the others only saw me as an acquaintance, someone to talk to about their problems, just a one time thing (like going for drinks). It's really disheartening. It feels like a constant battle against my insecurities, I go so many extra miles to be close to them and in the end, I'm left behind knowing it meant nothing to them.

Look, I'm really sorry about your dad. That definitely makes it hard to connect to someone and I wish he could've been more there for you. But as someone with his placements, it sounds like he buried himself into the job to soften some of the pain of being alone and feeling lonely. Do you think that could've been it?
At least, that's what it sounds like to me.

To answer your question, yes, I do. I didn't use to - again, because nobody sent out anything to me that they would want to get closer. So I assumed they didn't, and I'd do them the favour of not pushing myself onto them. It's often a lot about them and very little about me, looking back.

I've seriously lost hope I'll ever have friends or a relationship. I built up a lot of confidence and more ease with myself over the last half a year, and yet it's all been completely broken down, ruined after some really harsh losses and rejections... none of them I saw coming (well, one I did, but not in the way it happened).
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posted May 08, 2014 06:54 PM            

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Okay... I know this has been a very long time, especially because I left the board for a couple of months, but now that I'm checking back...

Lotis, would you mind doing my 8th house reading, even if it's very late? I'd love to know.

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Hi Meissieri,