posted January 11, 2014 02:36 PM            

I just noticed you said your Sun/Moon-mp is on 21 Cancer?
Mine is on 21 Capricorn.

posted January 11, 2014 02:48 PM            

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Oh Yes, Mir. . I forgot about his ASC. Our Asc square each other exactly, and as my ASC s.squared his Sun/Moon , so does his , and his Sun/Moon fell exactly in middle of our Asc, hence - on the Cp ASC.

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Ah yea I should've known 2 x s.square is a square. Then it's even stronger than I thought as it's supported by one of the strongest ptolemaic aspects and look at its orb! According to Cochrane these specific configurations supported by aspects carry a bit more weight than if there wasn't an aspect.

posted January 11, 2014 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

My Nodes, ASC, Venus all fall exactly on his Sun/Moon, with my Venus opposing his midp. His Saturn falls on my Sun/Moon. Ghrr.
Oh WOW i just realized something... We have a synastrical Venus (mine) - Saturn (his) opposition and this opposition actually lies across our Sun/Moon midpoints. My Venus on his Sun/Moon and his Saturn on my Sun/Moon. Thats quite locked up.

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posted January 11, 2014 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Ah yea I should've known 2 x s.quare is a square. !

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It even feels strong when it is not mutual. At least in my case it does.

I have a natal Jupiter-Neptune and Jupiter-Node-square
and HIS Venus falls right on the Jupiter/Neptune and Jupiter/Node-mp, semisquare both.

(well actually his Venus also falls onto my Moon/Venus-mp, but those are novile in my chart).

posted January 11, 2014 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wow! What a pattern!

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posted January 11, 2014 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Yes, Ceri..i know from one of your old posts that our Sun/Moon midp are the same ( near and far). Abd your Vertex and Eros are on it as well. My Uranus squares your Venus and my Pluto squares your Sun at 0.
And my connection with Mir is that her Asc conjuncts exactly my Sun-South Node-DSC stell. My Asc is 3' Pisces.

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no coincidences, just synchronicities.

posted January 11, 2014 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Yes!!! And the synastrical Venus/Saturn opposition continues into the Composite. Since this opposition lies across our Sun/Moon midp, and since his Sun/Moon is exactly on the Cp ASC, the synastrical opposition lies across the Composite Asc/DSC axis - his Saturn is on the Cp ASC and my Venus is right on the Cp DSC.

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My head is spinning.

But this is just WOW. I like especially how it is connected to the angle, bringing it to the centre even more.

Sun-Moon the emotional belonging.
Venus-Saturn bringing commitment into it, too.

posted January 11, 2014 05:22 PM            

cp Venus/Mars conjunct my natal Mars
cp Mars/Pluto conjunct his natal Pluto

posted January 11, 2014 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What I do not understand though is the midpoints within the composite, like

cp Venus/Mars conjunct my natal Mars
cp Mars/Pluto conjunct his natal Pluto

Why?
Coincidence I suppose. But weird nevertheless.

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It seems that the angle between your two Venuses is the same as the angle between your Marses, or is multiplied by two...

posted January 11, 2014 09:03 PM            

Same story then for his Pluto to both your Mars/Pluto midpoints. Resonating angles.

posted January 12, 2014 06:12 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Ceri, is the angle between your Mars and your Venus/Mars midpoint the same as the angle between your Mars and HIS Venus/Mars midpoint?

Same story then for his Pluto to both your Mars/Pluto midpoints. Resonating angles.

It has to be the same principle as just a natal planet conjunct a composite planet.

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My mars to my Venus/Mars: 15°28
My Mars to his Venus/Mars: 16°40

his Pluto to his Mars/PLuto: 20°09
his Pluto to my Mars/Pluto: 15°44

Hmm, the angles are a bit wide, but this might still be the reason I suppose.

Cp Venus/Mars conjuncts my Mars: 0°36
CP Mars/PLuto conjuncts his Pluto: 2°12

Thanks for pointing that out to me.
But how do we interprete it? What does it mean?

posted January 12, 2014 06:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
It seems that the angle between your two Venuses is the same as the angle between your Marses, or is multiplied by two...

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Hmm, I am not sure.

the angle between our Venuses: 19°48
the angle between our Marses: 84°05

Though, using a wider orb, the Mars angle is a multiple of the Venus-angle (factor: 4).

The exact multiple of the Venus angle would be at: 79°12 I believe, leaving an orb of 4°53

posted January 12, 2014 06:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
And the 4:53 is divided by two because the midpoint would leave 2 on each side...anyway, still a bit to wide

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Yes, I agree.
Probably that means that 2°00 is really the WIDEST orb we should use with midpoints, probably it 1°30 would be on the safer side.

posted January 12, 2014 07:09 AM            

conjunct cp Mars/Pluto on 19°11 Libra
and more closely conj. his natal Pluto: 21°23 Libra.

cp SN is conjunct my natal Chiron on 20.02 Aries.

cp Chiron/Pluto-mp is on 22.31 Cancer
tightly opposite cp Moon on 22.52 Capricorn.

cp Chiron/Pluto is also opposite my natal Vertex on 21.34 Cancer (and square his natal Pluto on 21.23 Libra).

as for mixed midpoints:

his Chiron/my Pluto: 24.20 Cancer
my Chiron / his Pluto: 20.43 Cancer

still on its own too wide to be significant, but their midpoint aspecting composite Moon so exactly is probably meaningful.

posted January 12, 2014 01:35 PM            

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cp Chiron/Pluto-mp is on 22.31 Cancer
tightly opposite cp Moon on 22.52 Capricorn

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Tracing back to natals; the angle between your chiron/pluto midpoint and the moon is the same as the angle between his chiron/pluto midpoint and the moon.

That's the most understandable way to put it I would say. Well at least you "get" it like this.

posted January 12, 2014 01:52 PM            

And also to each other`s Moon.
Actually in our case the Moon is quindecile each other`s Chiron/Pluto-mp with a bit of a generous, but still responsible orb at least.

his Moon qd my Chiron/Pluto: 0°54
my Moon qd his chiron/Pluto: 1°37

Makes you quite aware that things are not always like they seem initially.
The patterns are just so serious and no emotional leightweights, not the typical carefree romantic excitement attached to them, instead it seems like they are reaching deeply into a personal core. Easy?
No proably it would not be, but quite transforming. At least for me it most definitely was or is.

"how important would the aspect and orb then be?"
The orb would be quite important I think. Or let me put it this way, the orb of the same angle would be important.
Probably aspects enhance it, but it might even be significant if it is just the same distance, as it results in midpoint pictures.

I also get fascinated with harmonic triangles. I discovered another 5th harmonic triangle in our composite. lol

Sun is quintile Pluto: 0°47
Sun biquintile JUno: 1°51
Pluto biquintile Juno: 1°04

Juno opp. Sun/Pluto: 1°28

As for orbs of aspects, I think the larger orbs might be significant only, if they are complementing each other such, that they result in a midpoint-picture.

For example in this composite Sun is trine saturn with appr. 4°36 (which I find rather wide.
Sun is sextile Mars with 3°16 (quite wide too)

And Mars is sextile Saturn: 1°18 (which is an okay-orb).

However the wide aspects sort of balance each other out,r esulting in

Mars= Sun/Saturn with an orb of exactly 1°.

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So far I noticed

5th harmonic triangle (quintile-pattern)
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1) Venus to Jupiter and Saturn
2) Juno to Sun and Pluto

6th harmonic (sextile, including trines, too)
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1) Mars to Sun and Saturn
2) Ceres to Moon and Juno
3) Neptune-Sappho to Venus and Uranus
4) Mars to Juno and Ceres

12th harmonic (Yod)
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1) Eros and Priapus to Neptune-Mercury and Pluto

4h harmonic (opposition and squares)
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1) Moon to SN and Mars-NN

posted January 14, 2014 09:41 AM            

Actually one things I learned is that I have an exact conjunction of Saturn and Juno to the DESC in 9th harmonic chart.
Of course this means they are in 9th harmonic aspect natally, and since the 9th harmonic chart is blown 9 times, having an exact one in the harmonic chart itself means it is very precise in natal.
With a bit of wider orb my Sun is also part of it.

As a matter of fact my Saturn is trine Juno, my Saturn is very closely novile DESC.
Juno is binovile DESC.
Sun is quadranovile Saturn and DESC (by one degree appr.).

Of course this alerts us to possible midpoint configurations.

In this instance

Sun is opposite Saturn/DESC-mp with an orb of 1°03

Mr Sag`s Sun is even more closely aligned with this. In the 9th harmonic chart it is exactly conjunct
my DESC (0°33)
my Juno (0°05)
my Saturn (0°02)

Consequently HIS Sun is also opposite my Saturn/DESC-mp, just the orb is even narrower, it is only 0°02

*sighs* Of course it had to be yet another resonance with Saturn, right?

Though interestingly in his natal chart Saturn is very closely conjunct his DESC, and also squares his Sun-Moon-conjunction.

I just found it interesting how this midpointpicture in my chart of Saturn/DESC repeats his Saturn-DESC-conjunction.
Even more interestingly:

my Saturn/DESC is on 26°59 Gemini (and consequently my Saturn/ASC is on 26.59 Virgo)

and

his Saturn/DESC is on 26°10 Virgo (and his Saturn/ASC on 26°10 Sagittarius, conjunct my natal Sun with only 0°14).

Naturally that brings the composite chart to mind, right?

Sun: 26°26 Sagittarius

Saturn/DESC: 11°34 Leo

while it is not that obvious, it means that Sun is sesisquare the Saturn/DESC-mp by 0°08

I suppose it is sesisquare because instead of a conjunction/ opposition of midpoints we had the square natally.

Is this significant?
I usually do not check semisquares/sesisquares that much (though I occasionally do, if there is a square and some planet sits on the midpoint of the square), but I still find the existence of that Sun-Saturn-DESC picture interesting.
It also adds to the fact that we both have this natal triangle of Moon-Saturn-Juno natally. Though for him Sun-Saturn-Juno might be even closer in orb.

And our first meeting chart was dominated by a triangle of Moon(Pluto)-Sun-Saturn (a chaotic one, as it combined a 12th harmonic aspects, the quinkunx, with a 3rd harmonic aspect, the trine, and a 4th harmonic aspect, the square).

In our composite we naturally have a chaotic triangle of Moon-Saturn-Juno (quinkunx, square, trine again).
It is of course formed on the basis of our natal resonating triangle (though the aspects differ).

But how on earth would anyone of us have known that such a similiar alignment was in the sky when we met?
It is not like we had planned it.