posted January 23, 2014 11:33 PM              

"The anti-vertex represents the point of freedom, in other words if you have completed the work required by the vertex, if you have faced your destiny, you are then released and can enjoy the point of freedom.

posted January 24, 2014 12:24 AM            

We have been told the vertex axis is the secondary ascendant/descendant axis.

Look at it as clue as to where you need to go along with the nodes.It ain't simple.

posted January 24, 2014 12:40 AM            

https://www.google.com/search?q=Vertex+Lotiswhite&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&client=firefox-a

posted January 24, 2014 12:42 AM              

Thanks for the links!

posted January 24, 2014 01:52 AM            

But I don't really know how to interpret this astrologically :-/ I've never really understood my Jupiter.

posted January 24, 2014 02:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Oh yeah what type of connections, specifically?

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That is just one thing I look at. Nodes, Vertex, Intercepted Signs.

You find different ones, I just look for these connections.

You don't have anything on your Anti-Vertex, do you?

Those Eclipses are hitting that area and setting it off, though. The funny thing is it's Grand Trining your Jupiter. The Eclipse Vertex is hitting your Jupiter, too.

If you e-mail me, I can send you a chart.

Here is a Transit:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/009950.html

posted January 24, 2014 02:45 AM            

It may change with Venue, too.

posted January 24, 2014 06:27 AM            

I'm starting to think that in the natal chart the Vertex Axis signifies the things we are remembered for, and what it is about us that sticks in peoples minds. Our Asc shows the impression we make on others in terms of our temperament/mannerisms/social mask. But the Vertex Axis refers to the details about us that tend to linger in peoples minds.... The Vertex Axis is said to be the Axis of fated turning-points in our lives. The Vertex Axis in our chart shows the nature of these turning points, and how they are likely to come about.

For instance, lets say Mike has a Leo Asc and he comes across as friendly, outgoing, and charismatic.... But he has Neptune on the Vertex Axis and what people remember about him the most is that he paints really nice water colors, and has a very vivid imagination. They see him as someone who lives in a bit of a dreamworld, and because of this he's wound up in certain situations, had certain issues, and events in life, that got him to where he is now. Neptunian issues would've shaped his life to be the way it is, and this would stand out to people.

In my case, I'm a Capricorn with Sagittarius rising. My general personality is as expected, I'm level headed and responsible, but also idealistic, and I can get enthusiastic about ideas. However, I've got Uranus conjunct my Anti-Vertex.... And I've always felt as if I'm such a unique person that I just don't seem to fit in exactly right. I'm seem to stand out as being unusual quite often. This has been in both good and bad ways. People are either going to love your odd-ball weirdness or hate it. This is practically the story of my life. I keep the astrology part private, but even without that I still seem to come across as 'distinctive' in my own way. Despite being your typical quiet Capricorn. Uranus rules the 3rd house in my chart and information and intellectual discovery can often feel 'fateful' to me. It also means that things I say may be what makes an impression on others, that meeting others who understand and get my uniqueness feels profound for me, and that sudden and perhaps random events have shaped my life (I've left my homeland due to winning a prize). The Vertex Axis also shows things about others that turn our heads, and attract our attention both platonically and romantically (As well as showing how we can have a head-turning effect ourselves). People with Scorpio or Taurus planets on either end of my Vertex Axis stand out to me, and with Uranus opposite my Vertex, Uranus/Aquarian people are intriguing to me as well.

So that's my take on natal Vertex aspects. It shows details about our life, and circumstances surrounding us, that linger in others minds when they think of us. And also how we experience meaningful turning points in our own path, that resonate with us as being 'fated' and syncronistic.

As for the distinction between the Vertex and the Anti-Vertex... I'm playing around with the notion that the Vertex is a type of Asc while the Antivertex is a kind of Dsc. But I'm still not entirely sure how this distinction operates. The Vertex is often prominent in attractions and fascinations in synastry. From this I've been able to tell that a partner's planet on either end of the Axis works just fine for attraction. In terms of natal interpretation I'm still not sure what the distinction would mean. The jury is still out on that one for me.

Overall, the Vertex Axis seems to have a 'haunting' effect. People who touch our Vertex Axis in synastry stick in our minds. While nataly the Vertex Axis in our chart may show how we stick in other peoples minds, how we are remembered, and how we stand out. In this context I'd look into any aspect to the Vertex Axis. Even soft ones. Venus trine the Vertex, for instance, may indicate someone whose beauty, charm, or fashion sense, stands out to others as something worth remarking upon frequently. And they may be remembered for these things, and receive certain opportunities, advantages, or disadvantages, in life because of the way they express their Venus. In other words, Venus would have a 'fateful' impact on them (probably a positive one with the trine).

posted January 24, 2014 08:02 AM            

My case (described above) is all the more complicated as my NN is in Gemini in the 11th house which is where my Jupiter+Anti-Vertex conjunction is and my SN is in Sagittarius in the fifth house along with Vertex

(no aspects between the nodes and the vertex axis).

posted January 24, 2014 08:35 PM            

Here's the link for it- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/214549.html

And here's my OP from that thread...

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
THE VERTEX AND MAKING AN IMPRESSION

I’ve given this some thought and I feel as if I’m starting to grasp what the Vertex means in our natal chart on a deeper level. I’ll get to this point as I explain what I mean.

The Vertex axis in general…. It seems to refer to the part of the chart where we are inspired, or forced towards change… It can be an actual change in our circumstances, or a change in our perspective. When people have important parts of their charts aspecting the Vertex axis in our chart, they are able to create an ‘imprint’ on our psyche, and become very influential on our understanding of things… As an example, either positive or negative of what we do, or do not, want to aspire to.

The Vertex axis is associated with fate and synchronicity. And also with wish fulfillment and important turning points in our lives. Having someone strongly aspect your Vertex, or having it aspected by transits, often brings you into contact with something you’ve always longed for, or that you need… The right information, a certain kind of situation, or an exciting interesting person…. The Vertex Axis puts you into contact with that which feels profoundly relevant for you. The having the Vertex activated can feel a bit like being struck by lightening. Like you have a sudden feeling of eureka!! This is it! (whatever it was that you needed or wanted).

As for the distinction between the Vertex and the Antivertex…. I haven’t really noticed any difference between what happened when my Vertex was activated, compared to what happened when my Anitvertex was activated. There may be a distinction but personally I’ve yet to decipher it.

What I have noticed is that how the Vertex is aspected in your chart does seem to have some affect as to your position in society, or the role that you play in the world… For example, I have Uranus conjunct my Antivertex, and opposed my Vertex, and I’ve always felt like people see me as particularly unusual in some way, like I operate on a different frequency somehow… I’d recommend looking at how the Vertex is aspected in your natal for some extra clues as to how you fit into the population around you, and what your role is… This is not the same as the Mc, which is your status, official post… Or the 11th house, which is how you fit in with your friends, or groups that you to belong to…Or the Asc, which is your temperament/demeanor style and outlook… Rather, it represents how you make an impression on people’s minds, and what they are most likely to remember about you.

Your vertex axis by signs, rulers, and aspects…. May show what stands out about you, and sticks in peoples minds… It’s what the local gossip mongers might say about you at the water cooler, whether they know you or not. The Vertex has to do with impressions that have an influence on what people value, and the decisions that they make. When someone influences your Vertex they have an impact on your perspective, and seem to create a revelation in your mind… I strongly suspect that the Vertex in our natal charts shows our own style of doing this to others in general… It shows our style creating imprints on peoples minds, how we are remembered by others in general, and how we have a pivotal influence on others people’s perspectives and choices…. In a way the Vertex is like a song that you can’t get out of your head…. And the Vertex axis is in our chart is like our personal song that other people remember when they think of us. This may be why when people have conjunctions to either end of the axis, or any aspect to our Vertex in synastry it feels like they ‘get’ us.

Looking at the houses, signs, and aspects to the Vertex axis, may show how and where we stick in people’s minds… And the context with which we make an influential impression on people. Just as it shows what makes an impression on us, and what stands out to us. As if the Vertex is a portal that can have impressions coming in and going out….

I hope this makes sense. Please give me some feedback and tell how this theory fits for you.

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posted January 24, 2014 10:02 PM            

If you have conjunct the Vertex, the 'song' (mental impression) people associate with us would be happy and upbeat. When people remember the impact you had around them, they might remember what your personal opinions, beliefs, and values were. Or they might remember how you lucked out in some amazing way (For example: Oh yeah, I remember them. They won the office ruffle and got a $500 prize). Or perhaps they'd remember your big smile, infectious laugh, and certain details about your sense of humor and positive attitude. Or they may remember you because of the faraway places your've been to. Or they may even remember you because you are somewhat klutzy (clumsiness is a Sag/Juptier trait). Basically, any details about you pertaining to your Jupiter position would be the things about you that make a mental impact on others. You know how in music videos there can sometimes be a montage of random images all with a similar theme. Well, if your Vertex Axis is like a song that sticks in people's minds about you, and you had Jupiter on the Vertex Axis... Then in general when people thought about you, your song's video montage would have a Jupiter-like theme. This would be the 'haunting' effect you have on others throughout your life.

You could also look at the houses the Vertex Axis falls across, and what signs the Vertex Axis is in for more details. This would modify the haunting mental impression that you'd have on others as well. Going back to the above example, if Jupiter were in Scorpio conjunct the Vertex in the 2nd house, people might remember that you had very strong opinions about handling money but that your were private about it because your opinions were rather extreme. They might also remember about you that had power and influence due to the amount of wealth that you had. Whatever the case, the 'Scorpio Jupiter in the 2nd house' theme in your life would show the details about you that people ususaly remember. The Anitvertex in the 8th house in Taurus would be part of the equation as well. It's likely that your relationships with your business or personal partners, and how they are effected by what you already have, would also stick in people's minds. Also check out the rulers of the Vertex and Antivertex signs by sign, house, and aspect. These to can be very revealing.

And of course things get really interesting when we look at the synastry of the Vertex Axis with others. The synastry of our Vertex Axis to other people's charts may show if the haunting mental impression that we make will be received favorably or not. Will they like what they remember us for? Will the montage of us that they have in their heads when they think of us be a positive one? Will they like the vibe/impression that we leave them with? Hard aspects may not always be bad here, especially if it's an aspect to Venus or Jupiter (very happy planets). And some people even like the dramatic impact that squares have.

The Planet person may also be aware that while they are strongly picking up on the Vertex Axis person's vibe/theme, and ideals/dreams (the Vertex Axis is associated with wish fulfillment), they themselves are also having quite an impact on the Vertex person. When the Vertex is stimulated in synastry it makes someone pay attention keenly, and sometimes to idealize/romanticize the person aspecting it. The Vertex person may express appreciation or fascination towards the planet person in a way that makes them feel special. The planet person will come to be aware that the Vertex person values their input, 'gets' them, and sees them as an important person in their life.

The Vertex seems to be a portal that has mental impressions going in and out of it. So when people aspect our Vertex Axis, they usually have a profound impact on us. When people aspect our Vertex, the planet or angle that aspects it will 'haunt' our psyche. Perhaps influencing our values and choices in the future... This is where the turning-point, syncronistic, 'fated' feeling to the Vertex Axis comes from. When people aspect our Vertex we often learn important things from them that compel us to make changes in our lives, and in our perspective. If a person's Mercury were conjunct our Vertex or Antivertex, that person's communication style, speech patterns, personal interests, specific little phrases or words they often say, and their general message towards us individually, would stand out in our minds. It would touch something deeply personal within us, and we'd 'get' where they are coming from completely. Perhaps through them we find out something we've always wanted or needed to know. The Mercury person's mentality will resonate with us and have an impact on our life-path.

In synastry the Vertex Axis person is often the one who is most effected. In a synastry aspect between the Vertex Axis and a Planet, the planet person has a response to the haunting mental impression that we leave. They may enjoy or like it, or not. The Vertex Axis person on the other hand, feels like the planet person is giving them some type of fateful awkening that changes their life, as well as experiencing a haunting mental impression from the planet person (relating to the nature of the planet in aspect to the Vertex Axis).

Lets not forget rulers in synastry as well. No aspect to the Vertex Axis of an important person in your life? What about aspects to their Vertex Axis rulers? These too may show important syncronistic, seemingly 'fateful' experiences that you induce within that person... It give a relationship a feeling of personal significance and meaning for that person.

The Vertex is "the point located at the intersection of the Ecliptic (path of the Sun) and the Prime Vertical, a plane that divides the celestial sphere into front and back." I've noticed that the Vertex Axis does have a 5th house/Leo-ish type feel to it, where it makes things stand out as 'special', and allows certain things to be idealized or romantized in our minds.

The Vertex being an intersection with 'the Sun's path', I think, explains the feelings of 'fate', and personal significance, that typically go with Vertex Axis transits and synastry. It gives that whole destiny fulfilled, finding our path vibe.