posted January 27, 2014 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by fauxcoat:
@Kerosene - at least Saturn is a planet in the 5th house. I have Saturn in 7th and no planets in 5th. If someone with Saturn in the 5th gets through to the marriage or long-term relationship stage, then the marriage/LTR would have a chance. Also, Saturn in the 5th could indicate someone takes dating seriously and would most likely pick a good partner with whom to share their life with. Also, who wants to date and date and date without ever eventually settling down with one partner? That is what the Saturn in 7th does.

What could be causing extra problems for me is that Capricorn in on the cusp of my 12th house. A perfect storm of guaranteed misery with relationships and not much promise for having kids.

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Your 7th house saturn is showing through

Saturn is a difficult planet to deal with even if it's in an exalted place ( in Libra,natural 7th house) therefore has directional strength in the 7th house, and accidental dignity since it is in an angular house.Your relationships with 'others' can have a very saturnine flavour to them.

posted January 28, 2014 12:08 AM              

People assume you are cold and mean with out even talking to you
it's not something I hate because I keep annoying people away.

On the bright side saturn does have some attractive equalities.
Your partner maybe really saturnian. Probably tall serious ambitious good looking (models are often have prominent saturn on angles luminaries or personal planets )
Im assuming your probably attracted to serious types.
Relationships are not all fun and games but that's not a bad thing nessarily.

posted January 28, 2014 12:32 AM              

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Originally posted by theunknown:
DSc in cap is not the same thing. 7th is supposed to be for libra and Saturn is exalted in libra. Also yours is in 4th and my guess is you either have bad childhood or restricting father.

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My father took his own life when I was 4 and that was the worse thing that happened but after that my life was pretty good I could say. I had lots of fun growing up.

posted January 28, 2014 01:31 PM            

Every interaction in life? I don't see that. For me it really is about the type of guys I really want. The men I pick to be in LTRs with are really VERY Taurus though they were not Sun Taurus. Even the type of guy I like physically is Taurus like. This was true for me even when I didn't know about astrogolgy. When I figured out that the dsc was about the men we want it was like a lightbulb. Ahhhh.... Yes. Those are most definately the type of guys I've had LTRs with.

I love to date and flirt when I'm single. It's fun. Though I quickly suss out those who are just not for me for the long run. I do not fear being in love, in fact I LOVE being in love.

I do not fear being in LTRs. I have had 3 so far with very solid, stable, mature (in character, not age) guys. They were not trivial guys by any stretch of the imagination and I could trust them literally with my life. But that certainly doesn't mean we didn't have fun together. We did.

My ex husband of 16yrs (is that not LT?) is probably the easiest person to get along with in the world. He is a lovely kind charming man who people adore. He also has Saturn in Taurus in the 7th.

posted January 28, 2014 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by fauxcoat:
@Lucie - I mean no disrespect when I say this and I hope it doesn't come out the wrong way, but you and your husband both have Saturn in the 7th and you are divorced. You speak very highly of him, which is great, but although it was a LTR, it did end. Many people who don't have Saturn in the 7th get divorced, I get it, but for me there is a huge fear of finding the right guy and then on top of that the fear of not having the relationship work out.

I am glad you like Saturn in your 7th though. I am sure it isn't a problem for everyone.

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I don't take offense. But you talk of fear, pain, never having LTRs, never getting married, relationships being hard work, dating and dating, never settling down, this affecting all interactions with everyone, etc which doesn't have to true at all and it's not been for me.

It doesn't really matter because you and I have very different views of what relationships are and what they should be.

I've never been one to believe that there is only ONE person in the world for me. I don't think any relationship will last FOREVER. I never thought I would be with anyone for that long. But I was and it was beautiful and easy and fun. We went on many adventures and lived in a few different countries. If it had been hard work and filled with drama I can assure you I wouldn't have stayed that long.

It just ended because it was time. IMO it be worse to stay in a relationship and be miserable just because you think you have to be with one person for your whole life.

We all have stages in our lives. All 3 of my LTR just ended because it was time. They weren't drama endings and I'm still friends with all three of them. And this, IMO, is because I choose well. I choose carefully. I choose generally good guys. The middle one was way a way too melodramatic Cancer so I could only take him for 3 yrs. LOL. But he was stable, reliable, trustworthy and fun.

That's just the way it is. Saturn certainly makes that clear. Each relationship brings us lessons, experiences, learning. I don't fear Saturn. I don't fear change. I don't fear being alone. I don't worry that I won't find anyone long term. I don't fear love and I don't fear loss.

Saturn H7 hasn't been an issue for me and it doesn't have to be for anyone else. This is not a bad placement. It just means you will choose more carefully and you won't jump into a marriage without having considered it thoroughly. As you said people without Saturn in the 7th get divorced, too. And I can promise you many people don't make it to 16 years. The average length of a marriage in the US is around 8 years!

Anyway, at least you don't have to worry about running off to Las Vegas over some passionate fling you confuse with ever lasting love.

posted January 29, 2014 10:39 AM              

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I'm pretty sure they're into Bondage.

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posted January 29, 2014 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by fauxcoat:
Is Saturn in the 7th worst placement? I see Saturn helping in other house placements, but for some reason Saturn in the 7th seems to evoke the most fear. Saturn in the 5th doesn't even cause as much fear.

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Well, that depends on the nature of the chart.

If, for instance, Saturn in 7th is a singleton, than its influence rises exponentially. Also the fact that it is sitting on an angle(7th).

The 7th house is where we allow for interaction with the world and to balance ourselves with those that we engage with socially.

I don't get why Saturn is exalted here because to me, when Saturn is in the 7th , it can create loneliness and a very aloof, difficult to get to know nature.

Saturn is limitations, restrictions and feeling like "I don't have enough". It is always the "feeling" rather than the reality with Saturn.

So for someone who has Saturn in 7th, they may "feel" that the relationships that they establish are not "meaningful" or "good enough".

So , in an effort to create more of an authenticity with those they relate to, they become more serious and thereby "culling out" or isolating those that they consider "fruitless" to be around them.

If the 7th house is about social niceties and bridging ourselves with the external world, no planet(save Pluto) is more harsh at limiting that interaction to more than just "social niceties".

Saturn, to me, is said to be at "home" in the 10th house. But I think that it is neutral in every house. With Saturn, tears are bound to come out and your stripes are going to be earned; come hell or high water.

When Saturn is in the 2nd, one has a strong sense of self worth but not without battling issues of self esteem first whilst when in the 9th, one acquires practical, usable knowledge than armchair theories but has to first undergo a limitation in higher knowledge pursuits(either lack of funding or being a very slow learner).

Perhaps when we have struggled with our relationships, we come to accept people as they are and see them in their own light-rather than ours? Perhaps we become even more tolerant and see people having feet of clay and not immune to human error? Maybe this is why Saturn is exalted here?

posted January 29, 2014 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
Is saturn conjunct Venus basically the same as Saturn 7th house? If so I'm screwed x2 thanks Saturn.

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We need to stop dissin' on Saturn!

Here is a lovely positive interpretation for you:

"The conjunction of Venus and Saturn suggests that Saturnian qualities pervade the way in which you evaluate your environment and form/conduct relationships. This is a potentially positive aspect. Saturn is exalted in Libra, which is ruled by Venus. A positively manifested Saturn will bring qualities of stability, responsibility, self-discipline and prudence to your evaluative and relationship functions, symbolized by Venus. Venus conjunct Saturn often symbolizes strong and enduring relationships, as well. "

Read the rest here: http://depthastrology2.com/VenusSaturn.htm#VenusConjunctSaturn

All these so called "challenging" placements/aspects are just things that we need to learn about and "conquer". Isn't that the whole point of understanding ourselves through astrology?