posted February 27, 2014 08:37 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
I vaguely remember reading a thread somewhere here with iQ? (I think) or someone mentioning iQ saying that a Vega connection is important or indicative of a TF connection. Do I have this right?

Our composite helio shows a Moon-Earth trine and a nearly exact conjunction of Destinn and Vega (17 minutes apart). Is this significant at all?

I can't post long strands of aspects because I don't have the tools here to put a whole lot together. But these stood out to me.

And what about the asteroid Lovejoy? I've been playing with this one for a while, simply because I follow that inner voice, but I don't know anything about it. Do any of you have info on it? Or know if it's significant at all?

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Ive heard of Vega being associated with TF's as well. Interestingly, in our tropical composite my name asteroid falls right on top of Vega! I guess that could confirm the fact I've been told I am a TF?

posted February 27, 2014 08:37 AM            

Thank you so very much.

posted February 27, 2014 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
LOL I never noticed this, but in our Davison composite, Osiris and Isis are parallel.
They are in the same sign too, but not conjunct.

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posted February 27, 2014 09:00 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Again, thank you, Ceri. I'm happy that my question inadvertently directed you to something significant as well.

You mentioned Vega here. I think I've seen it mentioned before and had asked about it earlier, today or yesterday. It is conjunct in every chart I've ever done so it must be a fixed star or a slow-moving something, right? If it is, what are we looking for in relation to Vega?

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Yes. Vega is a fixed star around 15 Capricorn (and interestingly roughly opposed Sirius).

You would look for significant planets, angles or asteroids cojunct it within one degree approximately.

Personally I would look especially for angles, luminaries, nodal axis, Saturn, (Pluto), love asteroids Amor, Valentine, binding objects Union, Boda, (Juno), soulmate asteroids on this point.

And if you find one of these exactly conjunct there, look if it is aspected tightly by the other soulmate-partner (if you find Eros ther, look if Eros aspects Psyche), karmic, identity or love asteroids/planets.

posted February 27, 2014 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Okay, you all, the newbie here. I may state some obvious things that you all noticed long ago (I'm not up on Vega, Sirius, Aldebaran, or Anteres, although they appear to me to be fixed or moving extremely slowly. Which makes me question what I remember reading about Vega being a soulmate aspect. Still asking for input on this one.)

I remembered something I had noticed in 2009 when I first started studying in earnest. My ex's nodes are conjunct Jace's, but flipped. (Rough 3.0 orb; I'll post exact degrees later.) And their Moon and Venus are flipped as well. The degrees don't correspond but the signs do.

My nodes are square my ex's nodes as well as Jace's. Jace's SN is conjunct my Vx and Saturn, Vx exact, Saturn one degree away. Saturn sitting on his SN always felt pretty karmic to me but the node/Vertex conjunction seems to bump it up.

I remember reading a library book about the nodes and this flipped node positioning was mentioned as indicating a past-life triangle where one man would have to now, in this life, turn over the woman to the other. (I WISH I could remember the name of the book. Our library ended it's local inter-library loan program and that is how I found it. Maybe one of you has read this book and this will ring a bell. If so, please post the title!)

I started thinking about tgem and myself. How our stories are the same in that our husbands led us to our TFs. So I wondered what the charts would show. And I wondered if those flipped and conjunct nodes would point to anything.

Again, newbie here. I cast Jace's chart with a time that spoke to me, which gave him a Libra ascendant. (Through the "grapevine" I had heard several times that he found it very difficult to not have a partner. I'm a Libra and I can relate.) I figured if I had to cast a chart with no birth time, I'd rather try to get closer to who "he" is than go with the standard 12pm or 12am. Note that this does not set up the typical 1st and 7th house placements or angle conjunctions that everybody says are ideal; I'm not trying to make the chart DO something for me, to make it look ideal in terms of partnership. I'm trying to find something close to accuracy.)

I have to say, I'm barely into this. Again, no printer and having to flip from chart to chart by losing the current computer screen is challenging. But there are some surprising links showing up between Draco, natal and composite charts, both tropical and helio, in the connections between the three of us. I used name asteroids as well.

Do you think this is a line of inquiry worth following?

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Possibly..my ex and I have our NN's conjunct. "Cusp" and my NN's are in the same sign Libra but too far to be conjunct. That would make my Ex and "Cusp's" NN's in the same sign but not conjunct.

What's REALLY interesting is that (and now it TOTALLY makes sense) my Ex and Cusp have practically all the same personal planet placements except venus and mars...bear with me here..
Comparison:
Sun: Ex- Aquarius/ Cusp- Cap but a couple degrees from Aquarius cusp which brings out strong Aquarian qualities.
Moon: both have Saggie
Mercury: both have Capricorn

Differences:
Venus: Ex- aquarius/ Cusp- Pisces
Mars: Ex- Cancer/ Cusp- Capricorn

Now I have venus in Gemini so you can see the trine between my Ex and my venus. However, I have my venus in the 12th and Cusp has venus in Pisces so you can see the compatibility there as well.

What really gets me is the mars aspects: they are opposite between my Ex and Cusp. I had a lot of incompatibility with my Ex's cancer mars because I have mars in Leo and I desperately longed for more passion and aggression. Here comes along Cusp with his mars exalted in Cap..and my Leo mars...Holy Hannah!!! Well, you get the picture...My Ex and Cusp have extremely similar placements, except the mars which what was so desperately lacking in my marriage...and now...well mars shows up.

posted February 27, 2014 09:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
How close is the parallel?

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Within 0°

posted February 27, 2014 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Within 0°

Osiris is at 28°54 N
Isis is at 29°05 N

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Those are orbs I like to see!

(with asteroids it is also more rare I suppose, as they can go so widely out of bound. My Eros for example is 54 N. lol Noone will ever match THAT out of bound-ness I think).

posted February 27, 2014 09:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Those are orbs I like to see!

(with asteroids it is also more rare I suppose, as they can go so widely out of bound. My Eros for example is 54 N. lol Noone will ever match THAT out of bound-ness I think).

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posted February 27, 2014 09:44 AM            

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I noticed something else though, once ago, in relation to Jude Law`s chart.
And that is how much my chart is a complementary one to his ex-wife. It flabbergasted me.

Her Sun opposes mine within 2 degrees.

her Moon is in Aquarius - my Moon in aquarius, too (actually his fiancee also had the Moon in Aqua funnily)

her Venus is in Cancer (on my Saturn exact) - my Venus is in Capricorn

her Mars is in Virgo - my Mars might be in Sag, however it is also in 12th house and conjunct Neptune, and my Draco Mars is in Pisces (exactly opposite her tropical Mars)

her NN conjuncts my SN, and also conjuncts my KARMA.

AS this had me intrigued, I also could not help noticing that Mr Sag`s last long term girlfriend had a big stellium in Aquarius, including her Moon, which falls very close to my own Moon.

Her Mars is also conjunct my Mars (and the gf before that had her Mars at nearly the same position).

Funnily my natal reflects a combination of both their natals (I know she is an ex, but they have both such big stellia in SAg and Aqua respectively, that I had to notice that.

my Sun in Sag, like his
my Moon in Aqua, like hers
my Merc in sAg, like his
my Venus in Cap, like his
my Mars in Sag, like hers

posted February 27, 2014 09:47 AM            

But I just don't seem to have these "classic" or basic pairings that you all seem to have, the ones iQ says are the indicators.

And yet going by the experiences we're sharing, how what I've gone through resonates so deeply with those of you having these same experiences, that DO have these connections in the charts - what the hay? I don't have the charts to back up my experiences like you do. And yet here I am, having the SAME experiences. What else could this possibly be but a TF?

I just don't know what to make of this.

And yes, it's a given, even aside from the lack of a birth time, I don't have the experience, the eye, or even the tools to do this chart-work thoroughly on my own.

posted February 27, 2014 09:50 AM            

at times I am puzzled by my own synastry as well.

I always want to find the conjunctions/ oppositions of soulmate pairings, and they are simply not there. Still the experiences are.

Experience is more important.

It might mean my concept is wrong, or needs to be modified.

It is annoying without Moon or ASC I agree with that. But we should be able to see a little something.

posted February 27, 2014 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
MorpHnStorM,

Congrats for reaching 111 posts btw 😉😇💜

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posted February 27, 2014 10:04 AM            

My Moon solstice–conjunct Bellatrix 0°
My Mars solstice–conjunct Bellatrix 0°

His Saturn solstice–opposite Ensis 0°
His Uranus solstice–opposite Betelgeuse 0°
His Neptune solstice–opposite Bellatrix 0°

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Asteroids/other objects/points:

My Proserpina is Sirius 0° (trine his Pluto 2°)
My Child is on Vega 0°
My Astraea is on Rigel 0°
My Angel is on Betelgeuse 0°
My Vesta is on Betelgeuse 0°
My Destinn opposes Betelgeuse 1°
My Vertex opposes Altinak 0°
His nameasteroid in my chart is on Saiph 0°

posted February 27, 2014 10:09 AM            

Holy MOLY

Your Davision has a conjunction of SIVA and KAALI - and AGAIN the Davison strikes.
Tight orb as well: 1°10

Kaali just on 28 Cap, and Siva just on 0 Aries

Sabian:

A Woman Reading Tea Leaves

An Old Adobe Mission In California

We definitely keep a mental note of THAT

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**** , Pluto on 9 Virgo exactly trine Proserpina on 9 Cap.

Girl, your Davison is PLASTERED with soulmate pairings so far.
These are two of the strongest according to IQ (just a wee little weaker than Isis-Osiris and Eros-Psyche).

You also have an exact Sun-Venus-conjunction on 8 aquarius there

ADONIS t rine INANNEN by 2 degrees with Inannen being opposite GC exact.

Your composite holds a beautiful close watery Chiron-Valentine-trine, ndicating a true potential of healing of and through love.

synastrically your ADONIS quinkunx his INANNEN, though it is just within orb

You have an Isis-Osiris-conjunction natally (just like I do. lol mine is in Cap thogh).
And his Saturn conjuncts your Amor. and his NN trines your Amor.

IQ wrote something about that, I will quote it.

his Pluto is on the exact antiscion of your Persephone, too.

his Siva is conjunct your Parvati - not exact, 2,5 orb, but I think still valid.

and his Priapus is conjunct your Lilith.
You should ask Indigo about this one.
Or actually me, as Mr Sag´s Priapus is conjunct my Lilith as well.
Though that might open up the discussionw ith Summerlite again, as we don`T quite seem to agree on what it means. LOL
Sorry I do not want to confuse you. Maybe I should just give you the link.

posted February 27, 2014 10:20 AM            

However, you just encouraged me. We do have a DW Saturn-Amor, which you just mentioned re: Lavender. One of the conjunctions is 3.0 though, so maybe that's toast too. How significant is this one?

Now I can't find Priapus and Inannen on astro. I may have misspelled Inannen though, so I'm off to double-check.

posted February 27, 2014 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

and his Priapus is conjunct your Lilith.
You should ask Indigo about this one.
Or actually me, as Mr Sag´s Priapus is conjunct my Lilith as well.

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posted February 27, 2014 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
I am so completely puzzled. I know I don't have a birth time and that affects Moon, angles, houses and some of the asteroids. I get that.

But I just don't seem to have these "classic" or basic pairings that you all seem to have, the ones iQ says are the indicators.

And yet going by the experiences we're sharing, how what I've gone through resonates so deeply with those of you having these same experiences, that DO have these connections in the charts - what the hay? I don't have the charts to back up my experiences like you do. And yet here I am, having the SAME experiences. What else could this possibly be but a TF?

I just don't know what to make of this.

And yes, it's a given, even aside from the lack of a birth time, I don't have the experience, the eye, or even the tools to do this chart-work thoroughly on my own.

Grr. I'm so frustrated.

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Ok, hold up. First, you have his birth day and year right? And his location? You can look up what sign the moon was in on his actual birthday. Google something like " moon signs for month (X) year (Y.)". Now, you'll see one of two things: either the moon will be in one sign all day or it will switch halfway through the day into another sign. Good news is if it's in one sign the whole day, BAM..you have his moon sign and NN. Now, if it switches halfway through the day, it can be only one of two. Have you ever tried to guess his ASC? Have you ever been able to at least narrow it down? If you have, look for which of those possible ASC's fall into what moon sign.

Example: say he was born on the 25th and the moon changed from Saggie to Cap halfway through the day. Depending on his looks, mannerisms etc..say you strongly feel he is a Scorpio rising.
Check out the link below to the table, you can see what ASC was present at what time. Then take that and compare it to each moon to see which fits the best. Of course it isn't a guarantee, but since you have such strong experiences between you, his moon sign should make significant aspects in your chart. As well as the ASC. Play around with them. If one moon doesn't fit, try the other one. One of them should be conjunct one of your angles, or a luminary, even vertex.

My understanding is that asteroids are not dependant on birth times so you don't need to worry about those.
http://www.elbertwade.com/page79.html

posted February 27, 2014 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
This is too interesting lol.
The 4 of us now have a Lilith–Priapus conjunction in our synastries!

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Yes we do.

Super-Moon and Distant-Moon.

posted February 27, 2014 11:20 AM            

Hold on.. Ok, it is edited now

posted February 27, 2014 11:32 AM            

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Ok, hold up. First, you have his birth day and year right? And his location? You can look up what sign the moon was in on his actual birthday. Google something like " moon signs for month (X) year (Y.)". Now, you'll see one of two things: either the moon will be in one sign all day or it will switch halfway through the day into another sign. Good news is if it's in one sign the whole day, BAM..you have his moon sign and NN. Now, if it switches halfway through the day, it can be only one of two. Have you ever tried to guess his ASC? Have you ever been able to at least narrow it down? If you have, look for which of those possible ASC's fall into what moon sign.

Example: say he was born on the 25th and the moon changed from Saggie to Cap halfway through the day. Depending on his looks, mannerisms etc..say you strongly feel he is a Scorpio rising.
Check out the link below to the table, you can see what ASC was present at what time. Then take that and compare it to each moon to see which fits the best. Of course it isn't a guarantee, but since you have such strong experiences between you, his moon sign should make significant aspects in your chart. As well as the ASC. Play around with them. If one moon doesn't fit, try the other one. One of them should be conjunct one of your angles, or a luminary, even vertex.

My understanding is that asteroids are not dependant on birth times so you don't need to worry about those.

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tgem, I appreciate all of this. I so appreciate this. The last thing I want to do is to take up your time or Ceri's time or Lavender's or Gabby's or anybody else's; you all know what you're doing. I don't. And my questions might get/be getting old.

I know he has a Sag Moon.

I don't know how to assess his looks and determine a planetary influence. At all. But since you've mentioned this, I'm going to search the net and see if I can school myself on this one. Another thank you.

The Moon. If it's mid-Sag, it possibly sextiles my Mars and Merc and trines my ASC/Uranus. If it's late Sag, it probably conjuncts my Saturn at 1.01 Cap and trines my Venus at 1.05 Virgo. Either way, our moons will be square since mine is at 22 Virgo.

I've tried reading about ascendant characteristics for YEARS to try to narrow this down. The problem here is that he has a Taurus stellium, Gemini sun, Virgo Pluto and Uranus, Cancer Venus and Pisces Saturn. He's all over the place. Generally speaking, he's very intelligent, quick-witted, restless, athletic, a risk-taker, a skilled and innovative businessman, resourceful, generous, gregarious, loyal. He can also be quite impatient, stubborn, easily bored, looks for entertainment to alleviate that boredom, can be both extravagant and frugal, can be sensitive/over-sensitive and is often moody. While he was single, he really got around; he dated a LOT of women. Since so many characteristics can be assigned to either the Gemini/Sag, the Taurus, the Virgo, or the Cancer/Pisces in his natal, I'm lost as to how to pull any of these characteristics out to help nail or eliminate an ascendant. My gut feeling is that he is neither a Pisces, Scorpio or Capricorn ascendant. The rest of the signs all fit in some way. I've been attempting to make an ascendant fit by looking for angle conjunctions or using a Libra ascendant. But there are just too many characteristics of his that I see as belonging to more than one sign.

**** You said: "If you have, look for which of those possible ASC's fall into what moon sign."

I'm not sure I understand what this means. I know which moon sign he is.

I'll spend some time researching photos to see if I can guess. I wish I could just import one but there's a huge privacy issue in doing that. Darn it.

Many thanks again.

Michelle