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I'm so cappy
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posted February 11, 2014 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I have Maniac conjunct Mercury and Uranus :s

Would you prefer Maniac conjunct Mars? ^^

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posted February 11, 2014 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Lol...I did it. Otherwise how would I know the aspects?



Oh, lol.

I thought you were asking if it conjuncted your Uranus and Neptune.

If you would have said "conjunction" instead of "conjunct", I would have understood what you said, lol.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
So what about trining the Vertex? It does trine since it's at 3 degrees Taurus. Do the trines matter?

Yeah, why wouldn't they matter

My Vulcan trines Uranus and Neptune.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Mine's 6°, so, out there in no man's land, comparatively. I'd expected it to be tight, given my personality. I'd tossed out the whole theory until I noticed a colleague's is a 1°. Like me, he's been 'Vulcan' all of his life.

I've not researched it further, since it seemed hit-or-miss. I don't think the sign in which it's placed has much to do with how it expresses itself; it's too dependent upon SUN placement. A CAN SUN can't have an ARI VULCAN, for instance; it can only be 8° from the SUN in either direction, greatly limiting its potential sign.

Since his SUN is 8° CAN, it can really only be in CAN - either direction. Just as mine, in 13° LIB, can only be in LIB.

Where you'll get slight variation is one whose SUN is earlier than 7° of a sign; and it can only be in the preceding sign. Vice versa, should the native be a 23° SUN of whatever sign. Then it could be placed in 0° of the following.

I'd be more intrigued, if anything, by those whose VULCAN is placed in a sign other than the SUN. Or, maybe, closely conjunct MER, or the SUN.

With those who've got it in VIR, maybe they're super Virgoans? 😉

As to the rest ... it might warrant research. It's scattershot, at this point.



I feel too clumsy and hazy to be a super Virgo. I wonder if it's actually better in Libra because this sign has more to do with logic than Virgo. Virgo is more about info and practical applications, like, reading directions and putting something together. Libra is more about deductive reasoning and logical thinking skills.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
You're very analytical and detailed-oriented. You spot tiny flaws others would miss. Not because they overlook them, but because this is simply how your mind works - to look for the logic missing within it and criticize (your mind automatically does it, but does not communicate it's flaws - which is Virgo Mercury) it's validity within your own understanding of how the Universe's logic works. Every thought must be categorized and arranged, with perfection of execution. Your thought process works methodically and good at looking at something with a sequence of logical events. Your communication would have perfect composition. Whereas a Virgo Mercury would have perfect grammar, punctuation, capitalization, etc.

It's similar to Mercury in Virgo, except it's not about the way you communicate or thought patterns, such as a practical outlook and ideas, but rather sense of logic and understanding. A Virgo Mercury would usually be quiet, criticize everything, either elaborate something with a lot of details, or make is concise and break it down for someone to understand.

Ugh, I explained that terribly, perhaps, lol.


And you meant 'its', in the first paragraph. Twice. 😉

Where's your MINERVA (93)? Do you have PALLAS prominent? While MINERVA better relates to what you're attributing to VULCAN, and, of course, MER and 3H/3R, PALLAS aspects can create a similar effect.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Would you prefer Maniac conjunct Mars? ^^


Only if it means having more physical energy and drive.
Is Maniac conjunct Mars in your chart?
I do have plenty of mental energy!

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posted February 11, 2014 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yeah, why wouldn't they matter

My Vulcan trines Uranus and Neptune.


Sometimes, with asteroids and smaller planets, trines and sextiles aren't really felt while oppositions and conjuncts are and the orbs are really close, too.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I would say 3-4 degree orb within the Sun should be a conjunction.

For a hypothetical planet that is always within 8° of the Sun? I'd respectfully argue it should be treated as a Fixed Star or midpoint and tightened to a 1.30° orb at most.

When dealing with these sorts of things, it helps to keep it so tight, else we risk picking up a lot of false-positives, so to speak.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
And you meant 'its', in the first paragraph. Twice. 😉

Where's your MINERVA (93)? Do you have PALLAS prominent? While MINERVA better relates to what you're attributing to VULCAN, and, of course, MER and 3H/3R, PALLAS aspects can create a similar effect.


I have Pallas in Virgo in the 2nd House and Minerva in Pisces in the 8th House.

Pallas is only trine MC and square Jupiter.
Minerva is sextile Neptune (exact - 0 orb), conjunct Saturn (1 orb) and opposite Sun (1 orb).

Minerva is retrograde.

Also, what is the grammatical error I made within the first paragraph?

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posted February 11, 2014 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
And you meant 'its', in the first paragraph. Twice. 😉

Where's your MINERVA (93)? Do you have PALLAS prominent? While MINERVA better relates to what you're attributing to VULCAN, and, of course, MER and 3H/3R, PALLAS aspects can create a similar effect.


I have Pallas in Sagittarius, it might be a good placement. Pallas is wise and Jupiter rules wisdom.
Minerva (93) is in Cancer, along with a few others. I have some in Capricorn, too.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
For a hypothetical planet that is always within 8° of the Sun? I'd respectfully argue it should be treated as a Fixed Star or midpoint and tightened to a 1.30° orb at most.

When dealing with these sorts of things, it helps to keep it so tight, else we risk picking up a lot of false-positives, so to speak.


Yeah, the tighter the better. Perhaps 2 degrees at most?

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posted February 11, 2014 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I have Pallas in Virgo in the 3nd House and Minerva in Pisces in the 8th House.

Pallas is only trine MC and square Jupiter.
Minerva is sextile Neptune, conjunct Saturn and opposite Sun.



Sorry, John, Pallas in Sag is better.

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posted February 11, 2014 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Sorry, John, Pallas in Sag is better.

Pallas does good in both Virgo and Libra, I read - since it has an affinity with them.

I already have Jupiter in Sagittarius anyway

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posted February 11, 2014 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Pallas does good in both Virgo and Libra, I read - since it has an affinity with them.

I already have Jupiter in Sagittarius anyway


Haha, why can't Pallas do well in Sagittarius? Seems like it would. It's only logical with Jupiter and collegiate studies and philosophy, stuff that's supposed to equate with wisdom in some books (although there are varying opinions on what wisdom actually is.)
Is Pallas really about justice?

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So vulcan equals craziness.
It conjuncts my asc and venus exact lol.

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posted February 11, 2014 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Haha, why can't Pallas do well in Sagittarius? Seems like it would. It's only logical with Jupiter and collegiate studies and philosophy, stuff that's supposed to equate with wisdom in some books (although there are varying opinions on what wisdom actually is.)
Is Pallas really about justice?

Yeah, I agree. Palls should do good in all the intellectual signs as well. And yeah, in Sagittarius would be good, too.
I meant being in Virgo and Libra is the best at least form what I read.

Yeah, Pallas is also about justice.

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posted February 11, 2014 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It could make you more savvy and better insight into human nature? Both John and Kero seem to have that.

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posted February 11, 2014 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yeah, I agree. Palls should do good in all the intellectual signs as well. And yeah, in Sagittarius would be good, too.
I meant being in Virgo and Libra is the best at least form what I read.

Yeah, Pallas is also about justice.



Is Pallas the one holding the scales of Justice?

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posted February 11, 2014 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Is Pallas the one holding the scales of Justice?

No, that's Astraea.

Pallas holds a staff/spear and angel ornament.

And I forgot to mention, my Vulcan is retrograde, lol.

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posted February 11, 2014 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
No, that's Astraea.

Pallas holds a staff/spear and angel ornament.

And I forgot to mention, my Vulcan is retrograde, lol.


Mine is too, lol.
I don't see an Astraea asteroid. That's too bad

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posted February 11, 2014 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Mine is too, lol.
I don't see an Astraea asteroid. That's too bad

There is one. It's (5) on Astro.com

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posted February 11, 2014 01:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oooo what is pallas exactly?

I hear creative intelligence she conjuncts my NN in cap.

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posted February 11, 2014 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
There is one. It's (5) on Astro.com

Haha I skipped it for some reason :/
See, I am not worthy of Virgo or Vulcan :P
I am too careless.
Anyway, shouldn't this be the one with affinity for Libra?

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posted February 11, 2014 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Haha I skipped it for some reason :/
See, I am not worthy of Virgo or Vulcan :P
I am too careless.
Anyway, shouldn't this be the one with affinity for Libra?

Actually, yes, it has both an affinity with Virgo and Libra.
In Mythology, Astraea sent herself into the stars and formed the constellation of Virgo. While some Mythologists/Astrologists say her scales formed the constellation of Libra.

Wheres yours at?

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posted February 11, 2014 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Actually, yes, it has both an affinity with Virgo and Libra.
In Mythology, Astraea sent herself into the stars and formed the constellation of Virgo. While some Mythologists/Astrologists say her scales formed the constellation of Libra.

Wheres yours at?



Astraea's at 29 Taurus in my chart. Not very interesting, sorta close to the moon, judging by how gracious one is with orbs.

Sometimes you have to sort it out and figure which one has the strongest affinity. I see her more with Libra because she will be impartial and weigh out the differences and that's what Libra would do while Virgo just sits by herself thumbing her nose at the world, thinking she is better than everyone else. This is more the Virgo archetype. The mentality is far away and cannot be accessed.
It's as if Virgo doesn't participate in the world, just criticizes. Often, she feels disgusted by what she sees. People with Virgo in their charts can relate. I know I can.

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