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Jo B
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posted February 11, 2014 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jo B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry I'm really out of touch with astrological matters.

How do you know if you are a Vulcan (apart from checking the shape of one's ears?)

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posted February 11, 2014 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In Mythology, Vulcan was a skilled blacksmith/craftsman and the god of fire and volcanoes. And it's Greek Mythological counterpart is Hephaestus.

Hypothetically, if Vulcan exists, then I believe it rules the sign of Virgo.

So Virgo/6th House influenced people would be Vulcanian.

Or if Vulcan in your chart is highly aspected, domicile (in Virgo), in it's natural house (6th House), or aspecting personal planets; such as the luminaries and inner planets.

In my theory as to what Vulcan's influence in Astrology, is different with the Mythology. I believe Vulcan in a chart represents someone's sense of logic, critical and analytical mind, and reasoning skills.
This takes some traits away from Mercury, but Mercury is still communication, thoughts, ideas and information (data).
I think they work together systematically, as Mercury is your communication and thoughts, and Vulcan is how you organize and formulate them into an implementation. Vulcan is located between the Sun and Mercury and cannot be more than 8.5 degrees away from the Sun in your chart. Since Vulcan and Mercury are right next to each other and so close to the Sun, I think they play a important part in the personality's manifestation to make up your consciousness, along with the Sun.

Since this is not directly linked with Vulcan's Mythology, my theory apparently cannot be true. If Vulcan has to relate to Vulcan's Mythology, then I have no idea why some astrologers believed that Vulcan rules Virgo, as the Mythology of Vulcan seems hardly like Virgo, besides being a skilled craftsman for the other gods. (Which Virgos like to serve people, such as their bosses or people in authority. As bosses or people in authority have the attention on them, while Virgo has little to no attention on him/her).

The festival of Vulcanalia is celebrated on August 23rd each year, which is the time of the year when the heat from summer causes crops to be burned more easily. Interestingly though, it's the day the Sun enters the sign of Virgo. Vulcanalia is a festival which celebrates the the god, Vulcan.

You can find your Vulcan on Astro.com. Just put "h55" in the extended chart selection

Since you're a Virgo Sun, Vulcan will be in either Leo, Virgo or Libra - depending on your Sun's degree, as Vulcan cannot be further than 8.5 degrees away from the Sun, as I said earlier.

I'm not sure if I answered your question exactly, but if you're referring as to how someone can tell they're a Vulcan from Star Trek, then all I can say is that they do not exist, lol

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posted February 11, 2014 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The roman god asteroid Vulcano is 4464. Just saying.

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posted February 11, 2014 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by summerlite:
The roman god asteroid Vulcano is 4464. Just saying.

There's also Hephaistos (2212) and Vulkanus (h46), which are all linked to the same god.

I was referring to the hypothetical Intra-Mercurial planet; Vulcan (h55), as the one ruling Virgo.

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posted February 11, 2014 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So do you have Vulcan in Virgo, John? I do!

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posted February 11, 2014 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
So do you have Vulcan in Virgo, John? I do!

Cool

Nope. It's at 1 degree Libra in the 2nd House, lol.
It's conjunct Venus and Chiron exactly.

I lucked out big time I guess, as Vulcan is usually in the same sign as the Sun sign

I have it in Virgo in Vedic, though.

There's at least a 90% chance of it not existing, but I really like the idea of what I think it should represent astrologically.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Cool

Nope. It's at 1 degree Libra in the 2nd House, lol.
It's conjunct Venus and Chiron exactly.

I lucked out big time I guess, as Vulcan is usually in the same sign as the Sun sign

I have it in Virgo in Vedic, though.

There's at least a 90% chance of it not existing, but I really like the idea of what I think it should represent astrologically.



No wonder you love Vulcan so much lol.
So what does it mean when it's in Virgo?

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posted February 11, 2014 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

No wonder you love Vulcan so much lol.
So what does it mean when it's in Virgo?

You're very analytical and detailed-oriented. You spot tiny flaws others would miss. Not because they overlook them, but because this is simply how your mind works - to look for the logic missing within it and criticize (your mind automatically does it, but does not communicate it's flaws - which is Virgo Mercury) it's validity within your own understanding of how the Universe's logic works. Every thought must be categorized and arranged, with perfection of execution. Your thought process works methodically and good at looking at something with a sequence of logical events. Your communication would have perfect composition. Whereas a Virgo Mercury would have perfect grammar, punctuation, capitalization, etc.

It's similar to Mercury in Virgo, except it's not about the way you communicate or thought patterns, such as a practical outlook and ideas, but rather sense of logic and understanding. A Virgo Mercury would usually be quiet, criticize everything, either elaborate something with a lot of details, or make is concise and break it down for someone to understand.

Ugh, I explained that terribly, perhaps, lol.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did some research into this, wondering if it may be a marker for psychopathy or schizoid personality; I'm on both spectra.

Finding it conjunct the SUN was an 'a-HA!' moment in the charts of fellow 'Vulcans', only to learn it's almost always going to be conjunct - if not near - the SUN.

And it was back to the drawing board.

That being said, I do feel, going by the principles of functionalism, that VULCAN is clearly related to that which was created by Roddenberry so many years ago. It's simply Trek-related per our consciousness, since the 1960s.

So we might then expect to find VULCAN prominent in those who are SPD, schizotypal (though, I'd expect MADHATTER stronger, despite there being no presence of psychosis), and psychopathic spectrum.

Work in progress. 😉

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posted February 11, 2014 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
You're very analytical and detailed-oriented. You spot tiny flaws others would miss. Not because they overlook them, but because this is simply how your mind works - to look for the logic missing within it and criticize it's validity within your own understanding of how the Universe's logic works. Every thought must be categorized and arranged, with perfection of execution. Your thought process works methodically and good at looking at something with a sequence of logical events. Your communication would have great composition.

It's similar to Mercury in Virgo, except it's not about the way you communicate or thought patterns, such as a practical yet intellectual mind, but rather sense of logic and understanding. A Virgo Mercury would usually be quiet, criticize everything, either elaborate something with a lot of details, or make is concise and break it down for someone to understand.


Maybe today is my lucky one because I discovered I have (imaginary perhaps) planet Vulcan in Virgo. Yaaay!

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posted February 11, 2014 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I did some research into this, wondering if it may be a marker for psychopathy or schizoid personality; I'm on both spectra.

Finding it conjunct the SUN was an 'a-HA!' moment in the charts of fellow 'Vulcans', only to learn it's almost always going to be conjunct - if not near - the SUN.

And it was back to the drawing board.

That being said, I do feel, going by the principles of functionalism, that VULCAN is clearly related to that which was created by Roddenberry so many years ago. It's simply Trek-related per our consciousness, since the 1960s.

So we might then expect to find VULCAN prominent in those who are SPD, schizotypal (though, I'd expect MADHATTER stronger, despite there being no presence of psychosis), and psychopathic spectrum.

Work in progress. 😉



How close is the conjunction and in what sign? Mine is four degrees Virgo and the sun is at nine. That is likely too far since Vulcan is really small. What do you think?

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posted February 11, 2014 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a lark.
http://www.ipersonic.com

Take the free quick personality sorter at the site above. I'm curious to see the correlation of prominent VULCAN (versus VIR) and a certain personality profile.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Maybe today is my lucky one because I discovered I have (imaginary perhaps) planet Vulcan in Virgo. Yaaay!

Yeah

Is it conjunct your Sun closely? What degree is Vulcan and your Sun?

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posted February 11, 2014 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

How close is the conjunction and in what sign? Mine is four degrees Virgo and the sun is at nine. That is likely too far since Vulcan is really small. What do you think?

I would say 3-4 degree orb within the Sun should be a conjunction.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I would say 3-4 degree orb within the Sun should be a conjunction.

So it's not close enough to conjunct and it's behind the sun. Isn't that supposed to be weaker?

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posted February 11, 2014 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
So it's not close enough to conjunct and it's behind the sun. Isn't that supposed to be weaker?

I don't think so. Do they say all planets behind the Sun are weaker?

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posted February 11, 2014 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I don't think so. Do they say all planets behind the Sun are weaker?

I thought they were supposed to be in front, like if they are Mercury or Venus.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does my Vulcan conjunct Uranus and Neptune mean I'm crazy?

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posted February 11, 2014 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I thought they were supposed to be in front, like if they are Mercury or Venus.

I have heard something about that with Mercury and Venus. If Mercury and Venus are weaker behind the Sun, then I would imagine that this same thing applies with Vulcan as well.

But it's all good, you have it domicile anyway

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posted February 11, 2014 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
How close is the conjunction and in what sign? Mine is four degrees Virgo and the sun is at nine. That is likely too far since Vulcan is really small. What do you think?

Mine's 6°, so, out there in no man's land, comparatively. I'd expected it to be tight, given my personality. I'd tossed out the whole theory until I noticed a colleague's is a 1°. Like me, he's been 'Vulcan' all of his life.

I've not researched it further, since it seemed hit-or-miss. I don't think the sign in which it's placed has much to do with how it expresses itself; it's too dependent upon SUN placement. A CAN SUN can't have an ARI VULCAN, for instance; it can only be 8° from the SUN in either direction, greatly limiting its potential sign.

Since his SUN is 8° CAN, it can really only be in CAN - either direction. Just as mine, in 19° LIB, can only be in LIB.

Where you'll get slight variation is one whose SUN is earlier than 7° of a sign; and it can only be in the preceding sign. Vice versa, should the native be a 23° SUN of whatever sign. Then it could be placed in 0° of the following.

I'd be more intrigued, if anything, by those whose VULCAN is placed in a sign other than the SUN. Or, maybe, closely conjunct MER, or the SUN.

With those who've got it in VIR, maybe they're super Virgoans? 😉

As to the rest ... it might warrant research. It's scattershot, at this point.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Does my Vulcan conjunct Uranus and Neptune mean I'm crazy?


Check on Astro.com

It's h55

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posted February 11, 2014 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Check on Astro.com

It's h55


Lol...I did it. Otherwise how would I know the aspects?

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posted February 11, 2014 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I have heard something about that with Mercury and Venus. If Mercury and Venus are weaker behind the Sun, then I would imagine that this same thing applies with Vulcan as well.

But it's all good, you have it domicile anyway


So what about trining the Vertex? It does trine since it's at 3 degrees Taurus. Do the trines matter?

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posted February 11, 2014 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurian Intellect     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

I'd be more intrigued, if anything, by those whose VULCAN is placed in a sign other than the SUN. Or, maybe, closely conjunct MER, or the SUN.


I have my Sun in Virgo, with Vulcan and Mercury in Libra, lol.

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posted February 11, 2014 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Does my Vulcan conjunct Uranus and Neptune mean I'm crazy?


I have Maniac conjunct Mercury and Uranus :s

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