posted March 25, 2014 07:24 PM            

I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there's a way to predict children from someone's chart. If so, how and what do we look for? Do we look at natal, composite or synastry?

posted March 25, 2014 07:49 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Look to fifth house for general characteristics of children, it's ruler (aspects it makes etc), what's in it etc. This house also describes the first child. The second child is described by the 7th house, the third by the 9th etc.

The number of children or the number of chances to have children is shown by the number of aspects made by the 5th house ruler.

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Hi 23,

Thank you for your response.

To make sure I got this right: I look at individual natal charts?

Also, since my 5th is ruled by piscies, I would consider the aspects made by both Jupiter and Neptune?

Finally, are there any specific aspects I should look for?

Sorry for all these questions...thank you so much again!

posted March 25, 2014 07:57 PM            

I have 5th house cusp in Leo with Sun in Aquarius in the 10th. I have no planets in the fifth.

Some of the planets in the 5th would mean:
Jupiter - plenty of children, maybe male children
Mars - male children but troublesome in some way
Venus - easy going children, likely to be girls
Moon - female children.

Because my 5th house cusp is Leo and Sun in Aquarius, it would indicate male children and as Sun is weak in Aquarius, maybe a few problems (my kids have minor health problems). My Sun is in the 10th though and so it gains some strength, maybe my first and all collectively all my children may some eminence or status.

My Sun makes three aspects - conjunct Mercury, opposed Saturn, square Uranus. I have three chances to have children.

My 7th house cusp falls in Libra with Venus in Sag in the 9th. The second child should be a peaceful easy going child maybe involved in 9th house matters - education, live overseas etc.

My 9th house cusp falls in Sagittarius with Jupiter conjunct ASC in the first. He will be a happy go lucky child who will be either close to me or more like me in some way compared to the others.

posted March 25, 2014 08:09 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Cuteleo - I'm going to explain your questions by using myself as an example.

I have 5th house cusp in Leo with Sun in Aquarius in the 10th. I have no planets in the fifth.

Some of the planets in the 5th would mean:
Jupiter - plenty of children, maybe male children
Mars - male children but troublesome in some way
Venus - easy going children, likely to be girls
Moon - female children.

Because my 5th house cusp is Leo and Sun in Aquarius, it would indicate male children and as Sun is weak in Aquarius, maybe a few problems (my kids have minor health problems). My Sun is in the 10th though and so it gains some strength, maybe my first and all collectively all my children may some eminence or status.

My Sun makes three aspects - conjunct Mercury, opposed Saturn, square Uranus. I have three chances to have children.

My 7th house cusp falls in Libra with Venus in Sag in the 9th. The second child should be a peaceful easy going child maybe involved in 9th house matters - education, live overseas etc.

My 9th house cusp falls in Sagittarius with Jupiter conjunct ASC in the first. He will be a happy go lucky child who will be either close to me or more like me in some way compared to the others.

As for your 5th being in Pisces, I would say your children would be sensitive children, maybe wise, leaning to females. Your choice as to what use as ruler would be dependent on whether you see yourself as a traditional or modern astrologer, most people would use Neptune.

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Thank you for the example; it's actually pretty helpful! :-)

posted March 25, 2014 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
No worries! Also I should mention that as the 5th is to do with children I'd say it would have a say on the birthing process too. I've got an afflicted 5th house ruler as you can see. I've had medical complications during pregnancies and my babies have had to be taken out early with c-section.

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posted March 25, 2014 10:38 PM            

The method is as follows:

1- Assuming you have drawn up an accurate birth chart, look to the fifth house of children. Determine the traditional ruler of the sign on the cusp of the fifth house.

Note that we will use the traditional rulers, although in the case of signs that have gained a modern ruling planet with the discovery of more planets in our solar system, we will of course try using the new ruler to see what that yields.

This means that the ruler we will use for Pisces is Jupiter, for Aquarius is Saturn, and for Scorpio is Mars.

2- Determine how many planets that ruler is APPLYING to. For the purposes of this exercise, we use only the classical aspects of conjunction, sextile, square, trine and opposition. Do not count the semi-sextile or inconjunct.

So, for example, if the ruler of the fifth house is Venus at 10 degrees Cancer, and it is applying to a sextile to Mercury in Virgo, a square to Jupiter in Libra, a trine to Pluto in Scorpio, and an opposition to Saturn in Capricorn, then that would mean a potential for four children.

posted March 25, 2014 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Look to fifth house for general characteristics of children, it's ruler (aspects it makes etc), what's in it etc. This house also describes the first child. The second child is described by the 7th house, the third by the 9th etc.

The number of children or the number of chances to have children is shown by the number of aspects made by the 5th house ruler.

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posted March 25, 2014 11:07 PM            

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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
This method is currently holding true.

The method is as follows:

1- Assuming you have drawn up an accurate birth chart, look to the fifth house of children. Determine the traditional ruler of the sign on the cusp of the fifth house.

Note that we will use the traditional rulers, although in the case of signs that have gained a modern ruling planet with the discovery of more planets in our solar system, we will of course try using the new ruler to see what that yields.

This means that the ruler we will use for Pisces is Jupiter, for Aquarius is Saturn, and for Scorpio is Mars.

2- Determine how many planets that ruler is APPLYING to. For the purposes of this exercise, we use only the classical aspects of conjunction, sextile, square, trine and opposition. Do not count the semi-sextile or inconjunct.

So, for example, if the ruler of the fifth house is Venus at 10 degrees Cancer, and it is applying to a sextile to Mercury in Virgo, a square to Jupiter in Libra, a trine to Pluto in Scorpio, and an opposition to Saturn in Capricorn, then that would mean a potential for four children.

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posted March 25, 2014 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
Is it an applying aspect? There should be an a or s next to the orb.

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they were listed under aspects but there weren't any letters

posted March 25, 2014 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by livictori:
they were listed under aspects but there weren't any letters

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You need to click additional tables PDF and look at it there if you're on astro.com.

I'm noticing a pattern that wide squares are questionable. Someone I know who cannot have children has only 1 applying aspect and it's a wide orb square. Someone else who is having trouble has a wide orb trine.

posted March 25, 2014 11:29 PM            

However, for me, it doesn't work. I eliminate Uranus and only count the one applying aspect that I have, Sun conjunct Mercury, which would only give me one chance at having a child. I have already more than one child BUT having said that, I have had medical intervention all times. If I were to be around in times before, then I would have one child and potentially died after this - that is the poor state of my 5th house ruler.

posted March 25, 2014 11:33 PM            

I have 1 child as of now and I'd be okay with only ever having one

Although I've been told by 2 psychics I will have another child and likely a female child

Interesting thread!

posted March 26, 2014 03:35 AM            

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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
This method is currently holding true.

The method is as follows:

1- Assuming you have drawn up an accurate birth chart, look to the fifth house of children. Determine the traditional ruler of the sign on the cusp of the fifth house.

Note that we will use the traditional rulers, although in the case of signs that have gained a modern ruling planet with the discovery of more planets in our solar system, we will of course try using the new ruler to see what that yields.

This means that the ruler we will use for Pisces is Jupiter, for Aquarius is Saturn, and for Scorpio is Mars.

2- Determine how many planets that ruler is APPLYING to. For the purposes of this exercise, we use only the classical aspects of conjunction, sextile, square, trine and opposition. Do not count the semi-sextile or inconjunct.

So, for example, if the ruler of the fifth house is Venus at 10 degrees Cancer, and it is applying to a sextile to Mercury in Virgo, a square to Jupiter in Libra, a trine to Pluto in Scorpio, and an opposition to Saturn in Capricorn, then that would mean a potential for four children.

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So we can't use semi squares, and all those?

posted March 26, 2014 03:50 AM            

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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
You need to click additional tables PDF and look at it there if you're on astro.com.

I'm noticing a pattern that wide squares are questionable. Someone I know who cannot have children has only 1 applying aspect and it's a wide orb square. Someone else who is having trouble has a wide orb trine.

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posted March 26, 2014 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Cuteleo85:
So we can't use semi squares, and all those?

I have mine in piscies and with jupiter I only have only opp mer (4 orb). Neptune I have some wide trines and one semisquare AC (3 orb), but I have semisquares and bi quintile too, so I shouldn't count those? Jupiter is in my 3rd Aquarius, Neptune in my 2nd Capri.

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They don't count. Also, only applying aspects count.

posted March 26, 2014 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Cuteleo85:
What would you consider "wide"? Thank you.

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posted March 26, 2014 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
More than 6°30

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Ok thank you! I guess that gives me one child, which is plenty

I'm looking at my mom's chart, she had like six chances, but only had two. So I guess you don't have to use up all your chances.

posted March 26, 2014 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Cuteleo85:
Ok thank you! I guess that gives me one child, which is plenty

I'm looking at my mom's chart, she had like six chances, but only had two. So I guess you don't have to use up all your chances.

I'm also looking at one of my friend's chart who I know had a miscarriage early in life, but hasn't tried to have kids since. He has a good number of chances, like 4, but the 5th ruler (venus) is in his 8th. Do you think that could be indication of the miscarriage? Rulers for the 7th and 9th are both in his 9th house, so I guess that's a better position.

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Can you post the chart so I can see? Not confident you're reading it as intended.

posted March 26, 2014 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Loaded's method is the traditional method that people like Lillley would have used and would still be in force.

However, for me, it doesn't work. I eliminate Uranus and only count the one applying aspect that I have, Sun conjunct Mercury, which would only give me one chance at having a child. I have already more than one child BUT having said that, I have had medical intervention all times. If I were to be around in times before, then I would have one child and potentially died after this - that is the poor state of my 5th house ruler.

ETA - you could potentially use the same methodology on marriages too by looking at the 7th instead of the fifth and using the 9th as the second marriage and what qualities it has.

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So you count separating aspects too? Because those take me to 6 chances. I have never tried to have kids, so I can't confirm it lol

I've never been married either, but my 7th is in taurus and my venus is in 9th cancer, which would indicated a foreign husband or something down that line? That would make total sense! As far as chances I only see one applying trine (venus trines my AC). No separating aspects I would consider, so it's more straightforward I guess.

When doing it for marriage with 7th house would you only consider people who were legally married or also people who lived together for a long time as married, but never made it legal?

posted March 26, 2014 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
Can you post the chart so I can see? Not confident you're reading it as intended.

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Not sure you meant mine or the other one, so here's mine:

Here's the other: