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Topic: What If: You came to conclude or realize that Astrology was false?
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Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3220 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 03:36 PM
How would you react?Would you return to a non-astrological mindset as you were before you learned about Astrology? Or still subconsciously take a astrological standpoint as a bad habit that you need to learn to stop doing? Would you be happy about this conclusion, or disappointed? And why? I will personally prefer it as false. Because I will feel free from Astrology's defined personality, and that I will not have personality characteristics that I cannot change, or at least naturally. (I always felt like Aquarius the most anyway, even though there is not one Aquarius placement in my chart) (Well, Virgo, too, but I only have a Virgo Sun. Perhaps a mix of them two) And also, now everything can be explained for me (As Astrology is the only thing that really gets to me, as to how it somehow works and cannot be logically explained) Edit - This is not asking you whether you believe in Astrology or not, it is simply asking you a "what if" scenario, as above. IP: Logged |
fairaqua Knowflake Posts: 366 From: Registered: Feb 2011
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posted March 27, 2014 03:41 PM
I dont think I ever conclude it was completely false.. There are just too many coincidences....I could accept that it was seriously flawed because of the simple fact that we are only human trying to tap into something much greater. IP: Logged |
Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 9708 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted March 27, 2014 03:44 PM
To me it's like in the same category as spirits, magic, and other metaphysical phenomena.There is no way you can prove it true or false.
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Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3220 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 03:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kerosene: To me it's like in the same category as spirits, magic, and other metaphysical phenomena.There is no way you can prove it true or false.
But I don't believe in those things, or at least see no evidence to support them. But with Astrology, I can see it in people, so I believe in it. At least for now. We can all be looking through a certain filter with Astrology, and just do not truly realize it. To me, Astrology does not fall into that category. Astrology is classified as a Pseudoscience, which means "false science". So it's acknowledging it's a science, but a false one. IP: Logged |
next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 1105 From: Mercury Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 03:52 PM
Some way I don't think it matters… cause there are many times you can see that people don't stick together or don't react like they should according to astrology, people still got their individual choices, but even that can also be predicted by astrology… I don't really care that much, astrology is just a waste-of-time hobby to me, it doesn't dictate my life that much...IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3220 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 03:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by next to neptune: Some way I don't think it matters… cause there are many times you can see that people don't stick together or don't react like they should according to astrology, people still got their individual choices, but even that can also be predicted by astrology… I don't really care that much, astrology is just a waste-of-time hobby to me, it doesn't dictate my life that much...
If Astrology is true, I'd take it seriously. Since I believe it is true for now, I therefore take it seriously. It's fun too, though. I mean, if Astrology was just for fun and I didn't truly believe in it, then I would not be on this forum, nor will I ever think about it. I will not be "oh, it may or may not be, but all that matters is it's fun." I'm not like that, as that will be a waste of time. It's not fun unless it were true, or at least I believed it to be. IP: Logged |
Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake Posts: 821 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014
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posted March 27, 2014 04:00 PM
Astrology can be really accurate but then, it could also be a little off with regards to psychological definitions or predictions. Just like us humans, astrology is very complex. Today, things that cannot be explained by astrology may be explainable in the future. Astrology, just like everything else, evolves. Rules in reading charts could change and new styles of astrology could be discovered in a fair amount of time. So, we cannot really say it's completely false just like we can't say it's completely true. As far as I've learned, nothing in this universe is certain. You only see what you believe. As for realists, I don't know why they keep looking for solid answers when nothing really is certain. Also, never underestimate the power of free will. The squares and oppositions in a natal chart tell you on what you need to work on improving. You will feel the energy of these negative aspects, but it still up to you how to redirect that energy. IP: Logged |
next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 1105 From: Mercury Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 04:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect: If Astrology is true, I'd take it seriously. Since I believe it is true for now, I therefore take it seriously. It's fun too, though.I mean, if Astrology was just for fun and I didn't truly believe in it, then I would not be on this forum, nor will I ever think about it. I will not be "oh, it may or may not be, but all that matters is it's fun." I'm not like that, as that will be a waste of time. It's not fun unless it were true, or at least I believed it to be.
Yeah but I mean I do believe it is true, but I don't think I know all aspects of astrology yet, so I won't try to let it guide my everyday life and freedom of choice. If I really believed in it, maybe I shouldn't be with my s.o. cause we have a poor synastry maybe, but I would never let that influence my feelings towards him. I believe a bit more on my emotions regarding that matter:P IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3220 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 04:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by next to neptune: Yeah but I mean I do believe it is true, but I don't think I know all aspects of astrology yet, so I won't try to let it guide my everyday life and freedom of choice. If I really believed in it, maybe I shouldn't be with my s.o. cause we have a poor synastry maybe, but I would never let that influence my feelings towards him. I believe a bit more on my emotions regarding that matter:P
Yeah, I agree with this. Just because Astrology says something, that doesn't mean you have to listen to it. Especially with a relationship, you go with what you feel, not what the chart dictates. Sure, you can look at the partner's chart for reference, but not let it change anything about your relationship. I mean, even now, I usually take a more modern psychological standpoint than astrological standpoint when analyzing behavior in general, or certain personality types. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3220 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 04:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen: Astrology can be really accurate but then, it could also be a little off with regards to psychological definitions or predictions. Just like us humans, astrology is very complex. Today, things that cannot be explained by astrology may be explainable in the future. Astrology, just like everything else, evolves. Rules in reading charts could change and new styles of astrology could be discovered in a fair amount of time. So, we cannot really say it's completely false just like we can't say it's completely true. As far as I've learned, nothing in this universe is certain. You only see what you believe. As for realists, I don't know why they keep looking for solid answers when nothing really is certain. Also, never underestimate the power of free will. The squares and oppositions in a natal chart tell you on what you need to work on improving. You will feel the energy of these negative aspects, but it still up to you how to redirect that energy.
I don't know. I personally believe everything that is true can be logically explained, but that's my opinion IP: Logged |
Kerosene Knowflake Posts: 9708 From: Mercury Registered: Dec 2012
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posted March 27, 2014 04:18 PM
You can choose to see whatever you want.IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3220 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 04:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kerosene: You can choose to see whatever you want.
Yes, I agree. But in the end, there is only one truth. So I suppose we all must choose one. And for me, the one I choose is the one that makes the most sense or is logically true. IP: Logged |
sag_stellium Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Washington, DC Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 27, 2014 04:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect: Yes, I agree. But in the end, there is only one truth.
Truth is a fact. Interpretations aren't facts. Astrology resembles social science more than science. Astrology takes facts and tries to interpret it. It is a sum of people's interpretations, but has room for exceptions. Astronomy is a science. Astrology isn't. Does that make sense? IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3220 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 04:30 PM
^Yup But saying Astrology is a fact is what I'm not 100% sure of, yet. IP: Logged |
Marandana Knowflake Posts: 42 From: Mex Registered: Dec 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 07:59 PM
I still don't know why astrology is not consider a science. No one, so far in my life, has given me a strong point to make me change my mind. What's the wrong thing about astrology? Psychology and other sciences are as flawed as this one too and no one says anything bad about them.IP: Logged |
wishfish Knowflake Posts: 31 From: NY Registered: Feb 2014
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posted March 27, 2014 08:11 PM
i think your question is very virgo IP: Logged |
sag_stellium Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Washington, DC Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 27, 2014 08:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by Marandana: I still don't know why astrology is not consider a science. No one, so far in my life, has given me a strong point to make me change my mind. What's the wrong thing about astrology? Psychology and other sciences are as flawed as this one too and no one says anything bad about them.
Honey, psychology is a social science, not a science. It didn't get there overnight. It took several generations of groups of people who to bring it to the spotlight, convinced people that it was valuable, therefore important and it is only today that we even think of it as a normal part of our lives and education. Astrology hasn't arrived with the same level of splash and acceptance. It will take a while. I'm glad you and others are rooting for it though IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3220 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 08:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by wishfish: i think your question is very virgo
Thanks, that was a complement, right? IP: Logged |
wishfish Knowflake Posts: 31 From: NY Registered: Feb 2014
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posted March 27, 2014 08:32 PM
of course! some of my best friends are virgos! lolIP: Logged |
MsPrism Knowflake Posts: 1273 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 08:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect: How would you react?(I always felt like Aquarius the most anyway, even though there is not one Aquarius placement in my chart) (Well, Virgo, too, but I only have a Virgo Sun. Perhaps a mix of them two)
Have you looked at your declinations to see if Uranus or the cusp of your 11th or a planet in the 11th House or ruling the 11th House is parallel or contra-parallel within 1° of an angle ruler or your Sun or Moon? I ask because I couldn't understand my Moon very well until I was made aware of declinations and saw that Uranus was tightly parallel my Moon. The descriptions fit to a T and naturally put a lot of past experiences into perspective. As for your question, I would be upset that it isn't real because of the effort I put in to learn about it but it's a journey after all. Some would be habit, of course. I would just continue looking to psychology instead of astrology. Obviously astrology has much to offer psychology, but what the latter can offer its elder sister is less evident. So far as I judge, it would seem to me advantageous for astrology to take the existence of psychology into account, above all the psychology of the personality and of the unconscious. - Carl G. Jung IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 4871 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted March 27, 2014 08:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect: I don't know. I personally believe everything that is true can be logically explained, but that's my opinion
Have you ever felt happy ? can you logically prove it ? IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3220 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 08:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by MsPrism: Have you looked at your declinations to see if Uranus or the cusp of your 11th or a planet in the 11th House or ruling the 11th House is parallel or contra-parallel within 1° of an angle ruler or your Sun or Moon?I ask because I couldn't understand my Moon very well until I was made aware of declinations and saw that Uranus was tightly parallel my Moon. The descriptions fit to a T and naturally put a lot of past experiences into perspective. As for your question, I would be upset that it isn't real because of the effort I put in to learn about it but it's a journey after all. Some would be habit, of course. I would just continue looking to psychology instead of astrology.
Yes, I have a Gemini 11th House Cusp with the Moon there. The 11th House ruler; Mercury, is in Libra in the 3rd House. I do have Moon quincunx Uranus, in a Yod with Pluto as well, though. Also, my moon is in Aquarius's Decan, if decans even exist. But Aquarius and Uranus are in like 6th place with the delineation on Astro.com, lol. (Actually, Aquarius may be further than 6th place. I think maybe 8th. It changes when I add or take away additional objects of course, though) Could you explain how I can figure out parallels and contra-parallels? Because I didn't quite understand it when someone told me about it before. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect Knowflake Posts: 3220 From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets, somehow. Registered: Sep 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 08:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: Have you ever felt happy ? can you logically prove it ?
Yes, and by the smile on my face. Emotions are what drive people, so if something makes me happy, then that drives me to do something, thus, do something to make me happy. Otherwise, I wouldn't do it then, because I would not have an emotional drive to do so. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 4871 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted March 27, 2014 08:58 PM
That’s not logical, you can simply put on a fake smile. IP: Logged |
Celestica Knowflake Posts: 236 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Aug 2013
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posted March 27, 2014 08:59 PM
I'm not a software developer but one way I believe you could test if astrology was true or not would be to compile hundreds of thousands of charts and have a program shift through all aspects of them, aspects, signs, houses, house rulers, the whole 9 nine yards. Then you could ask it something like compare all the charts of football players and see what are the most common aspects between them, is it a certain house ruler in a certain house, a planet in a certain sign, aspects between two planets? I like to think of it as a facebook of astrology charts. I suppose you could do this by hand but it would be EXTREMELY time consuming. I'm sure something to this effect probably exists already but not as in depth or with a necessarily vast data bank of chartsIP: Logged | |