posted March 27, 2014 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
That’s not logical, you can simply put on a fake smile.

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Sure, but that still doesn't change with what I said after that.

My emotional drive proves that I'm happy. Like I said, otherwise, I wouldn't have any.

How to prove I'm happy in the moment? Well, let's see if I continue to crack jokes, or laugh, etc. I wouldn't be attempting those things unless I have an underlying motive behind it. And in this case, it is my emotional drive to become happy or stay happy. Otherwise, if I had no emotional drive (I'm a human, it's a fact we do), then I would be clearly faking it.

posted March 27, 2014 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Celestica:
I'm not a software developer but one way I believe you could test if astrology was true or not would be to compile hundreds of thousands of charts and have a program shift through all aspects of them, aspects, signs, houses, house rulers, the whole 9 nine yards. Then you could ask it something like compare all the charts of football players and see what are the most common aspects between them, is it a certain house ruler in a certain house, a planet in a certain sign, aspects between two planets? I like to think of it as a facebook of astrology charts. I suppose you could do this by hand but it would be EXTREMELY time consuming. I'm sure something to this effect probably exists already but not as in depth or with a necessarily vast data bank of charts

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Yeah, you can do that. But it still isn't explaining as to how Astrology works.

But anyway, my question was not whether you believe Astrology is true or not, it was a "what if" scenario in which you discovered it was false or came to a conclusion that it was, and what your reaction would be?

Also, would you be happy with that result, or disappointed?

posted March 27, 2014 09:16 PM            

Declinations are listed on astro.com. First you click to view your chart, then you click "Additional Tables (PDF)" You'll then open a new link to a single page with all of your written placements.

In the table titled "Planet Positions" there will be six columns, look at the sixth column titled "Declinations" Now, these are all your planetary declinations but next to that table is another with your House Cusp degrees and declinations.

My Moon's declination is 24°58'15"S. The S stands for South and the only other letter will be N for North. Now I just take the degree, not the minutes or seconds to save time and I scan all of my other planetary declinations and house declinations to see if any are within 1° North or South of my Moon.

So I quickly see that only Uranus is 23° South and therefore parallel my Moon. But then I see that Mercury is 23° North which is contra-parallel my Moon and Uranus.

You could get really nitpicky about the numbers but I've found that if it's within the same degree +/- 1, you will feel it, if it's 23 and 21 or 23 and 25 then it just doesn't register.

A parallel is like a conjunction and a contra-parallel is like an opposition. Some people say they are weaker but apparently traditional astrology views them as very strong. In my own experience, they are just as strong as the degree conjunction/opposition. If you want a description of these then just treat them like a conjunction or opposition in your interpretation search.

Your Moon being in the 11th House would give you an Aquarian feel too and there is so much air happening with your Mercury in Libra 3rd House. It makes sense that you would feel that Aqua nature.

Also, quincunx would have a release quality to it or a sacrifice quality. Uranus being the slower moving planet would have a big impact on your Moon.

posted March 27, 2014 09:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Celestica:
I'm not a software developer but one way I believe you could test if astrology was true or not would be to compile hundreds of thousands of charts and have a program shift through all aspects of them, aspects, signs, houses, house rulers, the whole 9 nine yards. Then you could ask it something like compare all the charts of football players and see what are the most common aspects between them, is it a certain house ruler in a certain house, a planet in a certain sign, aspects between two planets? I like to think of it as a facebook of astrology charts. I suppose you could do this by hand but it would be EXTREMELY time consuming. I'm sure something to this effect probably exists already but not as in depth or with a necessarily vast data bank of charts

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Someone did this. It's called the Mars effect and the astrologer is called Michael Gauquelin.

A good book is... "The case for astrology" by John Anthony West

posted March 27, 2014 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
Sure!

Declinations are listed on astro.com. First you click to view your chart, then you click "Additional Tables (PDF)" You'll then open a new link to a single page with all of your written placements.

In the table titled "Planet Positions" there will be six columns, look at the sixth column titled "Declinations" Now, these are all your planetary declinations but next to that table is another with your House Cusp degrees and declinations.

My Moon's declination is 24°58'15"S. The S stands for South and the only other letter will be N for North. Now I just take the degree, not the minutes or seconds to save time and I scan all of my other planetary declinations and house declinations to see if any are within 1° North or South of my Moon.

So I quickly see that only Uranus is 23° South and therefore parallel my Moon. But then I see that Mercury is 23° North which is contra-parallel my Moon and Uranus.

You could get really nitpicky about the numbers but I've found that if it's within the same degree +/- 1, you will feel it, if it's 23 and 21 or 23 and 25 then it just doesn't register.

A parallel is like a conjunction and a contra-parallel is like an opposition. Some people say they are weaker but apparently traditional astrology views them as very strong. In my own experience, they are just as strong as the degree conjunction/opposition. If you want a description of these then just treat them like a conjunction or opposition in your interpretation search.

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Okay, I get it, thank you, MsPrism
It's makes sense, as two things going south or north are parallel - as they're going in the same direction, and two thing going in the opposite direction are contra-parallel.

My Moon is 18 N, and Uranus is 21 S.

posted March 27, 2014 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yeah, you can do that. But it still isn't explaining as to how Astrology works.

But anyway, my question was not whether you believe Astrology is true or not, it was a "what if" scenario in which you discovered it was false or came to a conclusion that it was, and what your reaction would be?

Also, would you be happy with that result, or disappointed?

MsPrism answered the question correctly.

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posted March 27, 2014 09:49 PM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
I have not felt declinations that wide but I think your Moon being in the 11th House and inconjunct Uranus is enough without checking the declinations anyway.

I view an inconjunct as a major aspect so if I saw that in your chart I would definitely give it some healthy respect.

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posted March 27, 2014 09:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Celestica:
Correct it would not explain how it works but it would prove it works which you give us all an answer to this hypothetical question, thats all. If I discovered it wasnt true I would probably still follow it because I also find it fun, regardless of if its true or not its still interesting. Neopets and pokemon aren't real but I still play those as well c: I'm not sure if I would be happy or disappointed tbh

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Yup, it would pretty much give good evidence to support Astrology of being true, but not logically explain how it works. And that is why Astrology has always bugged me. Because I believe it to be true and see the validity of it, but am completely baffled as to how it works, logically.

posted March 27, 2014 09:56 PM            

As to how astrology works, you could delve into Hermetics and see if any of those explanations shed more light on it.

posted March 27, 2014 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
You're very welcome, Mercurian!

As to how astrology works, you could delve into Hermetics and see if any of those explanations shed more light on it.

“As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul…” Hermes Trismegistus

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posted March 27, 2014 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by wishfish:
of course! some of my best friends are virgos! lol

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posted March 29, 2014 01:33 AM            

i personally would if i could erase everything i ever known about astrology at times because yes sometimes it spheres my mind all day and it becomes a bit judgmental..

like meeting people and automatically assuming something about them or even finding out some ones birthday and for ever thinking of them instead of an aura memory the first image that pops up in your mind is that of there zodiac sign..

one thing i can be completely honest about ...i took xanax for 7 years ..in those seven years my frineds shifted from air signs and fire ....to earth signs ..literally i had no interest or compatability much with air signs and fire ...i was more laid back earthy ,didnt worry too much about anything seemed non chalant and grounded..

it wasnt until i got my emotions back and got off xanax that i started to shift back to air/water friends....

which now today gives me reason to believe the bio chemistry of the brain effects our emotions and personality..and we know the food we eat,our memory,expierneces,diet,food intake

effect the brain which is why i feel i can carve my self in to what ever i wanna be..

i can be a today cancer and next week aries... for ever

posted March 29, 2014 02:01 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I guess I'd go back to default. I wouldn't be anything, emotionally speaking. I'd see it as just one of many distractions I've had in my life. Because it's all about the journey to me.

I've changed my belief on many things over the years, I don't feel like I've wasted my life, rather it was interesting, even if a bit cringe-worthy to remember at times. I do like understanding people (which astrology is but one of many ways I use to do that with now) and even if I were to "see and transcend the limitations of astrology" to the point I considered it completely false I'd still have a window into understanding someone who did believe it...and I could throw it into my stories, the concept just another toy for my toy box in creation fiction (or at least characters into astrology within the story).

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Interesting, PixieJane.