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nikki01
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posted April 04, 2014 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nikki01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please share your thoughts on this. . Been thinking about for a while. Astrology speaks about past lives .. if reincarnation exist then souls don't exist. .. for example john Edwards the medium. . If I die I am reincarnated well this is what I believe. . Does this mean mediums are fake communication with the dead is nit posible?

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posted April 04, 2014 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CatMote     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
reincarnation is based on karmic cycles. some souls finish their karmic cycles and have learned all the lessons, then they dont get re incarnated. i personally believe we all have a choice whether we want to get re incarnated or not.

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posted April 04, 2014 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nikki01:
Please share your thoughts on this. . Been thinking about for a while. Astrology speaks about past lives .. if reincarnation exist then souls don't exist. .. for example john Edwards the medium. . If I die I am reincarnated well this is what I believe. . Does this mean mediums are fake communication with the dead is nit posible?

Reincarnation means that there *are* souls....How else would you be able to have multiple lives? Your soul inhabits more than one body.....

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posted April 04, 2014 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yellowelevator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with CatMote. I think that souls possibly go through evolutionary states - as in our souls progress through many different lifetimes, depending on where we are on our karmic path/level, and whether we feel ready or not to keep continuing a rebirthing of ourselves in a physical body on the earthly plane. Our physical bodies are just vehicles transporting our soul through different planes of human existance, and perhaps eventually we arrive at a state where we have actualized and realized that we have completed what our own unique consciousness/soul first set out to achieve through a series of lifetimes as different physical people, and we then decide we are ready to transcend and merge ourselves to a One. Thus, we have completed our karmic journey through many lifetimes and of many trials and tribulations.

But of course, I could be entirely wrong
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nikki01
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posted April 04, 2014 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nikki01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok guys I am not disputing that there are souls let me rephrase. .. if I go to a medium he or she will communicate with the dead for me. Its a bit confusing.. if we looking far into the future does that mean the earth will be without humans because everyone would have been evolved. . Just a very interesting topic for me because there has been evidence that both exist. . Reincarnation as well as mediums

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posted April 04, 2014 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seekinglight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess we'll have to see if our earth could last longer than human evolution. Looking at the rate that we are exploiting mother earth, chances are the human souls would have to seek another planet/universe/space as a learning ground in place of earth in the future.

I believe mediumship and souls do exist. Some people do have psychic ability to see and communicate with the dead. Evidences of reincarnations are everywhere, you can even try it on your own through past life regression and live between live to understand what happens in the afterlife. That is, if you believe in such thing.

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posted April 04, 2014 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think speaking with the dead is more about "memory cores." It all get stores in the akashic records, or another idea is that we lose our memories upon death (so many myths around the world speak of that, such as drinking the River Styx as just one of many examples) and that it means our mortal memories are separated from the people we become so that a person can reincarnate (among other possibilities) with no memories of who they'd been while at the same time that memory core can still be accessed somewhere in the astral which could easily be mistaken for a spirit (since many would define ourselves by our memories and mannerisms).

One experiment I read of described people meant to recall being Napoleon in a past life, but weird thing was many of them spontaneously developed the ability to speak French--as it was spoken in Napoleon's time, among other oddities that suggested they'd all tapped into some astral memory bank. The experiment had been meaning to look at how so many people recall being someone famous in a past life but that was completely unexpected.

'Course others believe that even the sincere and gifted mediums actually contact spirits that only pretend to be the deceased (and may have the ability to read minds).

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posted April 04, 2014 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw, don't be surprised when this gets moved to Uni-versal Codes.

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posted April 04, 2014 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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if reincarnation exist then souls don't exist. .. for example john Edwards the medium. . If I die I am reincarnated well this is what I believe. . Does this mean mediums are fake communication with the dead is nit possible?

I think both situations can play out - either at separate times or concurrently. Our very limited 'logic' can't necessarily explain something that is beyond the physical.

Do you think it is impossible for someone to be both dead and alive at the same time?
Perhaps we all are.

Just a thought!

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posted April 04, 2014 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
I think both situations can play out - either at separate times or concurrently. Our very limited 'logic' can't necessarily explain something that is beyond the physical.

Do you think it is impossible for someone to be both dead and alive at the same time?
Perhaps we all are.

Just a thought!


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posted April 04, 2014 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarmicMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only a percentage of our soul is reincarnated on Earth. A percentage stays behind in spirit, that is how people you know can greet you when you die and still be alive. So they could be reincarnated on Earth but the part of them in spirit can communicate with mediums. A great book about this is "Journey of Souls" by Dr. Michael Newton. Higher level souls can even have several Earth lives going at once. Our souls are too powerful to fit 100% into a body.

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posted April 04, 2014 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there are many tales even if buddhist/hindu cultures of souls that have been extremely corrupted and refuse to continue the cycle and are depicted as ghouls etc.

Ever seen the grudge?

Also some believe you can be reincarnated into an insect if you accumulate too much bad karma so maybe with that fear many souls do not continue the cycle.

I mean I would rather be an ghoul luring people into storms than a ******* rock lol.

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posted April 04, 2014 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lvASTRO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You also have to keep in mind that once you die, you are not immediately reincarnated, and thus a medium could speak to said deceased person/soul.

For example, when you think about soul mates/twin souls, your "mates" may not necessarily be incarnate in your lifetime, as sometimes it is extremely rare to find the latter two types of soul mates.

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posted April 05, 2014 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nikki01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I think speaking with the dead is more about "memory cores." It all get stores in the akashic records, or another idea is that we lose our memories upon death (so many myths around the world speak of that, such as drinking the River Styx as just one of many examples) and that it means our mortal memories are separated from the people we become so that a person can reincarnate (among other possibilities) with no memories of who they'd been while at the same time that memory core can still be accessed somewhere in the astral which could easily be mistaken for a spirit (since many would define ourselves by our memories and mannerisms).

One experiment I read of described people meant to recall being Napoleon in a past life, but weird thing was many of them spontaneously developed the ability to speak French--as it was spoken in Napoleon's time, among other oddities that suggested they'd all tapped into some astral memory bank. The experiment had been meaning to look at how so many people recall being someone famous in a past life but that was completely unexpected.

'Course others believe that even the sincere and gifted mediums actually contact spirits that only pretend to be the deceased (and may have the ability to read minds).



you have a point there. . I just wish everything on this topic was in some school text book sigh.. oh well then it wouldn't be all that interesting then


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nikki01
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posted April 05, 2014 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nikki01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
I think both situations can play out - either at separate times or concurrently. Our very limited 'logic' can't necessarily explain something that is beyond the physical.

Do you think it is impossible for someone to be both dead and alive at the same time?

Perhaps we all are.

Just a thought!


hahaha now you are going to send my brain in a research frenzy lmao.. thats a possibility hey.. we could be a dreamer within a dream hehe just all so interesting. ..

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posted April 05, 2014 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe in reincarnation but I think it's our choice. Not everyone comes back and it doesn't have to happen immediately. There are also ghosts, the souls stuck on the etheric plane for various reasons. You could summon them and those who moved on and reside in the higher dimensions. Mediumship also allows to communicate with souls who haven't had an experience on this planet or even in this dimension. It doesn't really matter as long as they're willing to come and speak.


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posted April 05, 2014 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a theory from plato about reincarnation which I agree with. It explains how your soul "needs" to go through different "stages" in order to progress and when your soul is ready and to say it this way "polished" you can finally meet "god", it also says that you choose to reincarnate to continue learning and all the knowledge one person may have in a lifetime could be the things you learned in past lifes. It's pretty interesting, and if you relate it to astrology it makes sense, at least to me it does.

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posted April 05, 2014 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
Only a percentage of our soul is reincarnated on Earth. A percentage stays behind in spirit, that is how people you know can greet you when you die and still be alive. So they could be reincarnated on Earth but the part of them in spirit can communicate with mediums. A great book about this is "Journey of Souls" by Dr. Michael Newton. Higher level souls can even have several Earth lives going at once. Our souls are too powerful to fit 100% into a body.

Yes, that book came to mind when I read the initial question. I had a weird encounter once with what I believe was my... not twin soul, but a person who was also me. I think I would be derailing the thread if I went into more details.

Also, keep in mind that it is possible that linear time does not exist more than a convention that we have here on Earth and that when physical life stops, the soul might not be bound by the same rules.

It's a good question though

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posted April 05, 2014 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And we don't know how long it takes for souls to be reincarnated - the majority of people who want to communicate with the dead are people still mourning after their loved ones; I think it's a rare case that one would do it for kicks and wish to speak to Napoleon, for example.

Again, the book that I spoke about earlier gave a time frame in "human years", but I can't seem to remember what it was. I think I remember that it could be as much as a few hundred years, if the journey was really rough and the soul needed to heal itself.

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posted April 05, 2014 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just remembered something that was shared with me. A friend told me how he was playing with a Ouija board and the other guy was bragging he could channel any spirit into the board, so as a joke my friend gave him the name of someone alive...and then got creeped out as the board spoke in the living person's exact manners and angry about having been called into the board...and knew things that this living person would.

This person lived hundreds of miles away and had never met anyone around the guy with the Ouija board (my friend had just moved there himself) so he was rattled and the next day called to see if he was still alive. The guys distant friend who got "Ouijaed" was very much alive and had no clue about the board, nor any strange dreams despite being asleep at the time he got pulled into the board...but he did ask to not get called into the board again.

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posted April 06, 2014 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nikki01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by maira:
Yes, that book came to mind when I read the initial question. I had a weird encounter once with what I believe was my... not twin soul, but a person who was also me. I think I would be derailing the thread if I went into more details.

Also, keep in mind that it is possible that linear time does not exist more than a convention that we have here on Earth and that when physical life stops, the soul might not be bound by the same rules.

It's a good question though


hey you are onto something there ..this may sound crazy but sometimes I feel like my gf and I are one soul spilt into 2 people lol.. our thoughts and speech mirrors each other. .that it no longer surprises us when we have the same dreams and thoughts

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posted April 06, 2014 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nikki01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I just remembered something that was shared with me. A friend told me how he was playing with a Ouija board and the other guy was bragging he could channel any spirit into the board, so as a joke my friend gave him the name of someone alive...and then got creeped out as the board spoke in the living person's exact manners and angry about having been called into the board...and knew things that this living person would.

This person lived hundreds of miles away and had never met anyone around the guy with the Ouija board (my friend had just moved there himself) so he was rattled and the next day called to see if he was still alive. The guys distant friend who got "Ouijaed" was very much alive and had no clue about the board, nor any strange dreams despite being asleep at the time he got pulled into the board...but he did ask to not get called into the board again.


this is freaky I would have been shocked outa my wits lol.. very interesting though ..However I don't have guts to go anywhere near an ouija yikes

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posted April 06, 2014 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John Edwards is a known fake and scam artist. He used all the common tricks that scam artists of this type use including talking really fast to leave the audience with no time to think. People who used to work for the show behind the scenes reported a lot of shady tactics they would use to get information on the people in the audience beforehand and then fed the information to John.

Having said that- It really depends on what you mean by "soul". According to Hinduism and Buddhism-(which is based on Hinduism. The Buddha himself was a Hindu) The personality and the soul are two seperate things. When you die your personality and ego dies, but your soul is reincarnated over and over again until your soul has learned all it's lessons and can finally join the universal energy or "god" if you will.

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