posted April 10, 2014 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ourselves.
By giving meaning and attributes to planets, asteroids, points.

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posted April 10, 2014 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Consciousness??

This will just be a guesswork though, it will reach nowhere.

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Yes, this is the answer to me. Since we are "consciousness", there isn't such thing as "higher" than ourselves, just connected to us. A part of us, and us, a part of it. Like a "stream of consciousness".

posted April 10, 2014 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ourselves.
By giving meaning and attributes to planets, asteroids, points.

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May be true. By giving them meanings and believing in their power we might've channeled energy into them which created this phenomenon. And the wheel keeps rolling down the hill.

Or planets in planetary systems have always influenced each other and we just happened to discovered that it's all in sync.

Gotta summon the spirit of the first person that came up with astrology and ask if this was all improvisation or was it based on observation

posted April 10, 2014 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:

Or planets in planetary systems have always influenced each other and we just happened to discovered that it's all in sync.

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posted April 10, 2014 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
I was just thinking.

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posted April 10, 2014 03:19 PM            

Astrology is an energetic grid. It shows us how we are created. Understanding astrology is synonymous to knowing ourselves. Astrology give us clues to understanding our existence. This is its purpose.

The planets are the points on the grid. I see everything as energy so the planets are concentrations of energy that are arranged or combined in order to create our experience.

When you think about it, when we die the only thing we take with us is our experience. Experience is everything. Not money, not things, but experience, and in the truest sense we are the experience.

Once we learn of ourselves we learn the power of re-creation. Recreating the experience of energy within us and from which we came.

Recreation wills us to have new experience and all things benefit from new experience. Our astrology shows the experience that created us and the cycle, or clockwork, of energy that we have available in order to recreate.

posted April 10, 2014 10:18 PM            

By the choices we made.

We are all atoms in the body of God.

posted April 11, 2014 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:

Don't you believe in something higher than ourselves? We give meanings to these planets, asteroids, points - but you cannot deny that the mechanism is there, and we did not invent it. I cannot believe in coincidences and i've seen so many amazing things regarding astrology that all that is just a mere coincidence.

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The way I see it our species collectively imbued them with specific energies. That is, Scorpio didn't get names for its energy and affects but rather Scorpio was what our species imagined into the heavens for generations and our own psychic energy is reflected back at us. If Scorpio had instead been named the Swan so that people imagined different qualities into it then it would still affect us but in a completely different way. If Venus had instead been named (and collectively imagined as for generations) Phobos then it would instead deal with our fears and anxieties rather than our beauty, pleasures, and romances.

That's because we affect the stars and planets that in turn affect us as it's reflected to us. Or more specifically the stars and planets themselves don't affect us at all but rather the psychic ocean we are in does, and is essentially "programmed" to affect us according to the stars, especially when we feed into it with our belief. In short, it's a type of collective unconscious magic.

posted April 11, 2014 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
I was just thinking. I think we all understand that the planets and stars are not the ones who decide what we are going to be like, what will happen to us and who will we marry. I would like to compare these planets and points to, i don't know, numbers, maybe - and astrology - a clock. And whatever is behind it, is like a brilliant clockmaker, one who has a plan.

So - what do you think, is behind all of this? Our fate is written in the skies, but who wrote it?

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But I don't mind thought experiments. So I'll assume that it was designed as a "clock" by unknown entities beyond our comprehension. What would it imply about them?

My immediate thought is that "a council" created this pattern as a means to fairly divide their influences and thus prevent a war, quite possibly a war that would destroy our reality (and thus themselves). Then the real question becomes why would they want to affect us this way? My immediate guess (no doubt at having been raised on a farm, but hey "as above, so below") is that we provide psychic vibrations that feed and empower them. By dividing it up into say 12 spheres then their "clockwork" is their way of making a "claim" upon us, that is our psychic energy is THEIRS. Leo energy goes to one entity, Scorpio to another, and so on.

When I was a child the way I'd try to get friends to fairly split a pie so one or more didn't whine about getting too small a piece is one would cut it but the one to cut it was the last person to get to pick a piece which encouraged the cutter to cut it as fairly as possible. And that's what this clockwork is, it's a pie divided, perhaps of us humans or perhaps of energies even greater than us which only filter down to us (in which case we're more like the bacteria that exists in the actual food).

But this can still work if it were say ONE being...in this case this entity needs several types of food, just as we do. Just as we want our fish, milk, cheese, veggies, fruits, and even sweets so to does this Entity want its Leo, Libra, Pisces energy, it all feeds it and gives it what it needs to exist, and without it this entity then gets sick (or worse).

posted April 11, 2014 02:12 AM            

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
There's a quote by Voltaire along the lines of GOD (higher whomever, whatever) is the grand clockmaker, but WE are the cogs that turn the wheels of time.

I think the stars are a blueprint. Nothing is in stone. Free will affects everything. But I do think there is a higher energy responsible for our creation.

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posted April 11, 2014 03:01 AM            

Natal charts are the result of past life actions.

posted April 11, 2014 04:27 AM            

You have a mind, you know.

posted April 11, 2014 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
If you decide that you want something, you will create.

You have a mind, you know.

You create the future.

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posted April 11, 2014 06:03 PM            

Transits happen.

Number one, your attitude and the way you conduct yourself and the thoughts you have concerning the future and even state of mind have effect on the outcome of this at the time.

The future is determined by how you respond to these Transits and choices you make at that time.

posted April 11, 2014 06:27 PM            

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Natal charts are the result of past life actions.

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